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#4601 donquijote

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Posted 23 December 2004 - 03:08 PM

Originally posted by Bader
Your comment "Money should flow freely out of the Lions share back to where it came from, the people."

Money originates in the banks computers, is borrowed by govts businesses and people. It does eventually get back to the bank as receipts and savings and as interest and loan repayments.

If you are talking about tax money, the govt has to tax you to at
least pay the bank loans back, as long as you are happy for them to borrow it as debt against your future income/time.

MOney doesnt originate as savings which the banks depend on to lend. Thats a lie. Banks will say that they lend deposits and most people immediately think, oh yeah thats our savings we deposit in our accounts. Thats not it. They lend new money created by computer figures, at multipals against one dollar of your savings or what income you bank in your business account.
As loans are paid off that money you pay in is cancelled. When you get a loan approved they DEPOSIT it in your account, just like you have put in the money as a saving. They lent you your depsit didnt they?

Every day banks are cancelling money and creating new money
and you can guess that if the rate of cancelling is greater than the rate of creating them it will swallow itself up and disappear.
Thus its an inflationary system and inflation destroys saving over time, which means we have to work longer and harder to keep pace, and isnt that exactly what is happening?

WE fight the boss, we fight the govt, the boss fights the govt and the worker and we cant win and the reason is obvious.
www.americaspolicy.org/reports/2004/0412coffee.html



"In Santiago Yaitepec the people say that to migrate north is to die a little. When a family member is absent, either dead or far way, the rest of the family still performs healing and rituals for them, using photographs and clothing. In the hills the people strike the clothing of the dead and migrants with a staff, and light candles and ask that wherever they are they do not suffer and repent for their sins."

Howdy Bader
Very sad story, which represents how the jungle swallows its weakest members. Immigration is never a solution, but a symptom of the cancer. We must remove the tumor...;)

"Money should flow freely out of the Lions share back to where it came from, the people."

This statement is not mine but I can defend it. The lion's share (for example, Mexico has one of the highest concentration of millionaries) is unsustainable when people are forced to emigrate and children are dying of hunger. It's simply immoral.

As for whether the whole jungle is run by a small clique of bankers/usurers, the other lions being victims of it, it's rather doubtful. Unless you reserve the label of lions for them and apply the term "other predators" to all those who serve them: foxes, hyenas, serpents, vultures, parrots (who repeat what they hear) and even rats. They all have a stake in the jungle: THE SCRAPS. They would do anything to prevent the little animals from ever running their own lives in cooperative forms.

Sure, we can try to win them over, but be aware what's at stake. The upper end of the food chain doesn't allow for solidarity with the lower end of the food chain. It's a matter of "kill or be killed"...:confused:
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Posted 24 December 2004 - 05:59 AM

Howdy DonQ:

"money should flow freely out of the Lions share back to where it came from, the people."

What actually are you defending? Its an obscure line.
You appear to be saying that govt should be stripped of the power to tax and leave people alone. This is extreme-right-wing.

On the other hand if the 'lions share' means the bulk of the money rather than govt share of the money, its a standard left-wing approach of robbing the rich to pay the poor, which is no better. Both are part of the dialectic materialism, divide and rule.

EVERYTHING revolves around access to money. You arent the only one saying you cant see the debt money system having such control/cause of so much. Its not a matter of guessing, one has either done the hard yards and got their head around it or they haven't. As a fellow comrade in arms I have tried to give you the benefit of what I have gained in that area and thats all I can do.
If after you had spoken to someone regarding you theme line and they responded saying its 'rather doubtfut' there is a lion
you would know how I feel.

"we must remove the tumor" The tumor is the outcome/manifestation of something bad. Its a symptim.
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Posted 24 December 2004 - 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Bader
Howdy DonQ:

"money should flow freely out of the Lions share back to where it came from, the people."

What actually are you defending? Its an obscure line.
You appear to be saying that govt should be stripped of the power to tax and leave people alone. This is extreme-right-wing.

On the other hand if the 'lions share' means the bulk of the money rather than govt share of the money, its a standard left-wing approach of robbing the rich to pay the poor, which is no better. Both are part of the dialectic materialism, divide and rule.

EVERYTHING revolves around access to money. You arent the only one saying you cant see the debt money system having such control/cause of so much. Its not a matter of guessing, one has either done the hard yards and got their head around it or they haven't. As a fellow comrade in arms I have tried to give you the benefit of what I have gained in that area and thats all I can do.
If after you had spoken to someone regarding you theme line and they responded saying its 'rather doubtfut' there is a lion
you would know how I feel.

"we must remove the tumor" The tumor is the outcome/manifestation of something bad. Its a symptim.



Howdy Bader
Sure we need to build our own Water Well, and not dwell on the riches of others that can only be finite, but the problem of the LION'S SHARE must be addressed as well.

"As President Bush tours Africa, an American economist has come up with a staggering fact: the four-hundred richest Americans earn more together than all 166 million people who live in four of the countries on the presidential itinerary."

http://news.bbc.co.u...ess/3056611.stm

On the other hand, leaving people alone in the hands of the lion is extreme right wing, but giving them the option to have "lion free territories" (coops, etc) they should manage. And coops should take the pressure off many of the social services now rendered by the state, and thus the need for taxes goes (guess) down...;)

The lion is there (nobody said he isn't) but we may not need to know who he is, but how to move away from his tight monopoly.:cool:
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Posted 24 December 2004 - 05:53 PM

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Posted 24 December 2004 - 09:09 PM

Howdy DonQ:

You still havent claified what exactly you mean by the Lions share.
You also need to clarify who and what the lion is.
If the Lion is the international banksters that very different from the state-lion. Some might think the global corporate is a big lion , even bigger than the state-lion.
I think that we can put them in the order of
Money-Lion first
Corporate lion second
State lion third.

The Money Lion may prefer to work behind a variety of fronts like BIS, IMF ,WB, UNO, WTO etc.

The development of global entities and the transition of the state all reflect the policies of the internalional banksters. They are the centre of gravity. We are talking the tangible world.

Its who and how the creation of money is being done that is the seed. Good seed or bad seed.
A economic democracy would have a water well that was subject to the people and at service to all equally ( I am not saying all get equal pay). Natural abilites will allow some to be richer/ better rewarded than others, they can only buy what someone wants to sell and if people are free not compelled by financial games to sell/never own, people will vote with their feet and their wallet and thus govt would have a small roll to play.
Its the money game that makes govt bigger than it aught to be,
the taxes etc. LIbertarians and socialist are fighting one another not the Money Lion their common enemy and cause of their fears.
Thats why dialectic materialism was open in the communist world and hidden in the west. Globalism is north v south instead of east v west. Same game.

You want to give people options. The type of water-well determines the environment of options. The water-well should be worked on the same principles as a coop which avoids privatisation of the money system and state control of the money system. People not weighed down by debt, taxes, costs etc
have more options in life and have more time for options.
Tecnology should have been utilised so we worked only 2 to 3 days a week for a good standard of living. The money system
prevents this. If people are content with a good standard and prefer the free time for hobbies or community work fine and those who love money can work seven days a week and get filthy rich
and never live to enjoy it, that their option.

Boom and bust are a type of hidden hand, but the cause is the
dysfunctional system that has a hugh bias in it, by the hand of the Lion in control. Its an institutional dynasty.
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Posted 24 December 2004 - 09:25 PM

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Posted 25 December 2004 - 06:18 AM

>You still havent claified what exactly you mean by the Lions share.<

The BEST PART that the lion always insist on having. You can tell immediately he's fake the minute you realize that. He's a hungry lion, not even a lion with a vision, even if wrong. Our elites are mostly that. Few care about a better world, and if they do they submit to power and act in complicity with the hungry lion. An example of the better lion is Chirac, but submits to the reality of the jungle. We can expect little help from them. They are the slaves of the jungle as you point out.

>You also need to clarify who and what the lion is.
If the Lion is the international banksters that very different from the state-lion. Some might think the global corporate is a big lion , even bigger than the state-lion.
I think that we can put them in the order of
Money-Lion first
Corporate lion second
State lion third.<

I agree with that, just that I don't think they are a bunch of bankers but the spontaneous interests of all those who have money. I may be wrong, but it's not even relevant WHO it is as long as we know WHAT to do. The enemy is BIG MONEY, and we should provide alternatives that don't depend on it. Of course, COOPS and WORKER-OWNED ENTERPRISES are the main alternatives, rather than legislation I'd say.

>The Money Lion may prefer to work behind a variety of fronts like BIS, IMF ,WB, UNO, WTO etc.

The development of global entities and the transition of the state all reflect the policies of the internalional banksters. They are the centre of gravity. We are talking the tangible world.<

OK, it makes sense. Globalization is about money not morals. Here "democratic" America collaborates with "communist" China, without any sort of misgivings. All you need to be in today's world is a lion.:(

>Its who and how the creation of money is being done that is the seed. Good seed or bad seed.
A economic democracy would have a water well that was subject to the people and at service to all equally ( I am not saying all get equal pay). Natural abilites will allow some to be richer/ better rewarded than others, they can only buy what someone wants to sell and if people are free not compelled by financial games to sell/never own, people will vote with their feet and their wallet and thus govt would have a small roll to play.<

Exactly what I say. They can be whatever they want but they will have competition and we will have choices.

>Its the money game that makes govt bigger than it aught to be,
the taxes etc. LIbertarians and socialist are fighting one another not the Money Lion their common enemy and cause of their fears.
Thats why dialectic materialism was open in the communist world and hidden in the west. Globalism is north v south instead of east v west. Same game.<

Some of the socialists and libertarians may be lions and don't want competition, in which case they will never challenge the jungle. They just want a place high up in it. Sure, some of them are honest and should welcome a world without lion.

>You want to give people options. The type of water-well determines the environment of options. The water-well should be worked on the same principles as a coop which avoids privatisation of the money system and state control of the money system. People not weighed down by debt, taxes, costs etc
have more options in life and have more time for options.
Tecnology should have been utilised so we worked only 2 to 3 days a week for a good standard of living. The money system
prevents this. If people are content with a good standard and prefer the free time for hobbies or community work fine and those who love money can work seven days a week and get filthy rich
and never live to enjoy it, that their option.<

All this is very important. We are working too much, even to a degree that doesn't allow us to participate in politics. WE NEED A SHORTER WORK WEEK.

>Boom and bust are a type of hidden hand, but the cause is the
dysfunctional system that has a hugh bias in it, by the hand of the Lion in control. Its an institutional dynasty. <

The hidden hand of economic manipulation. And we can see the hand of the puppeteer moving the strings.;)

The disagreement that we had the other day was about declaring that only a few greedy bankers are to blame, when in reality they have a lot of complicitiy out there, from foxes to hyenas down to the snakes and rats. It's jungle out there!:cool:
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Posted 25 December 2004 - 02:47 PM

Merry Christmas! We enter our 3 year of unmasking the beast.;)

"there's a perception in the Arab that the United States
supports brutal and repressive regimes and blocks democracy and
development, and we do it because we want to get control of oil and
resources - their oil."

Here's a fragment of a new interview with Chomsky where he says the obvious: the lions know the causes of terrorism..:(

If anyone is to blame for this world going down is the lions: They know what to do, and got the power to do it--but choose to do nothing but war.

(Hey, don't forget to vote in the Lion's share);)


Alam: With all the grandiose rhetoric about "barbarism," it's also
interesting to note that the Pentagon's own Defense Science Board,
composed of top military commanders and intelligence figures, issued
a report about two months ago declaring that resentment in the
Islamic world is mainly due to US support for Israel and US support
for Arab dictatorships, and not about an inner hatred or hatred of
Western values themselves. But if the top people in the Pentagon and
the military understand this, then why is there such a large
disconnect in what they themselves concede and what they say - I mean
what are the strategic imperatives that are so great that they are
willing to incur the wrath?

Chomsky: That was an interesting report [interruption, door is
opened, background noise continues from here on] - this Pentagon
report which was sort of interesting, is virtually a repetition,
almost a verbatim repetition of a report by the NSC in 1958 when
President Eisenhower raised the question with his staff, why there is
a campaign of hatred against us in the Arab world, and not among
governments but from the people. That's Eisenhower, 1958, why is
there a campaign of hatred against us in the Arab world. An answer
was given in an analysis by the National Security Council in 1958:
it's because there's a perception in the Arab that the United States
supports brutal and repressive regimes and blocks democracy and
development, and we do it because we want to get control of oil and
resources - their oil. That's 1958. And they went on to say, yes the
perception's accurate, and we're going to continue doing it. That's
been perfectly well known for years that that was the case.

It's exacerbated further by specific policies. Right after 9-11, as
far as I know one newspaper in the United States had the integrity to
investigate opinion in the Muslim world, the Wall Street Journal.
They kept to the people they cared about, what they called moneyed
Muslims, managers of multinational corporations, international
lawyers, you know - their type of people - so there's no concern
about globalization or anything else, they're part of the US-run
system. But they had the same results they had as in 1958, as the
Pentagon just reported. They hate and fear bin Laden, who's trying to
destroy them, but nevertheless they express understanding for the
position that he articulates, and they hate US policy, because it
supports brutal and oppressive regimes, blocks democracy and
development, because of the support for Israeli aggression and
atrocities at that time, because of the Iraq sanctions, which were
killing hundreds of thousands of people, devastating society, and
caused enormous anger.

The Pentagon report is just repeating what anybody knew who had their
eyes open. The fact that it was regarded as a surprise in the United
States just shows how much intellectuals prefer to keep their eyes
closed. What they said is correct, furthermore you can read it - it's
articulated almost the same way in 1958, it's found in every study
since. Furthermore you can find it any book on terrorism - any
serious book on terrorism, not just anyone ranting and screaming -
but someone taking it seriously, say, Jason Burke's study of al-
Qaeda, which is the best one around, or just about anyone you pick.

They don't hate our freedom, you know, what they hate is US policies,
and for good reason, because those policies have been crushing them
for years. So yeah, they hate the policies. Pentagon just discovered -
re-discovered - what everybody with eyes open already knew, and
these 1958 reports have been declassified for about 15 years, I was
writing about them in 1990. Just better not to - it's easier to just
stand on a pedestal and scream about Islamic fascism and how it's
trying to destroy us. It doesn't require thinking about the policies
and doing something about them.

(snip)

And that's generally the case. And furthermore every serious
specialist on terrorism knows it. You take a look at say, Israeli
intelligence, I mean the former heads of this Shin Bet have spoken
about this - the current ones can't but the former ones have - the
former heads of military intelligence, and they all said the same
thing: until you treat the Palestinians with respect, until you grant
them their elementary rights, you're never going to stop terrorism.
That's the way to do it - they have grievances, the grievances are
real, we're treating them with contempt and humiliation and
destruction, we're stealing their land and resources. [There's
something like a] near-universal consensus on this, among people who
care about the topic.

[Interruption, another interview beckons]

Alam: Thank you very much Professor, thank you for your time.
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Posted 25 December 2004 - 04:57 PM

I can almost see the strings that move the puppets...;)

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications, whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
-David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

http://www.wealth4fr...h/chapter14.htm
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Posted 25 December 2004 - 06:04 PM

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Posted 26 December 2004 - 04:35 PM

This is a way around taking away the lion's share off their hand and thus avoid a confrontation with the lion. It's very simple...

"And my answer: take away the money system. The centurians obey the guy
who passes out the salt. Poison the salt. Think about it."

http://www.strike-th...;num=1042518024
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Posted 26 December 2004 - 04:57 PM

This is a way around taking away the lion's share off their hand and thus avoid a confrontation with the lion. It's very simple...

"And my answer: take away the money system. The centurians obey the guy
who passes out the salt. Poison the salt. Think about it."

http://www.strike-th...;num=1042518024
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Posted 01 January 2005 - 04:35 AM

Howdy DonQ:

Back after a week away.

To say that the only way to take the Lions share off him and avoid confrontation - by taking away the money system, shows
ignorance of the money power.
This is the same as saying plan to take the throne off the Caesar and you wont cause confrontation.
The money system is the means of the power. Who ever takes it over takes over the power and are able to do the same. This is like the Pharoah dynasty, who ever conquered those in power,
even when they were from a thousand miles away merely sat on the throne as the new Pharoah, the system was kept running.
Not one of them gave it up without a fight.

THis is why I would never support govt having control of the money system, then it would become the Lion you portray.

The strike-the-root website looks interesting, but at first glimpse there seems to be the tendency to rush ahead of understanding
it properly. One thing really bad is for people to rush ahead and try something and make a hash of it, then the orthodox system
mocks them and the majority run back to them for safely, safety in the shelter of the Lion. Makes it much harder for someone who knows better to try later.

I checked out the Social Credit (Alberta party) - pity we didnt know about that when Pliny was talking about them and didnt have anything positive to say about what they achieved.
The cartoon explanation is pretty good for starters. I would think two points need discussing further but otherwise it is good.
If you check it out remember the page seven comment that when the banks had gold and certificates/paper chits it lent both
fraudulently which is why I dont accept a gold backed system.
But there is a whole lot more to it than the cartoon.

In response to my last post you said:
"I just dont think they are a bunch of bankers, but the spontaneous interest of all those who have money".
THats natural for anyone who has no knowledge of the banking system.
The last comment of your DonQ replies to this comment of yours:
"The disagreence we had the other day was about declaring that only a few greedy bankers are to blame, when in reality they have a lot of complicity out there from foxes to hyenas down to the snakes and rats. Its a jungle out there."

If people responded to your picture and said the lion is just another preditor like the hyenas etc, there is no system, govt isnt to blame, but a milieu of immoral selfishness, you might feel a bit frustrated.
The law of the jungle is set by the money system. The conplicity is all those who comply but oblivious, some like the hyenas, monkeys etc benefit from selling themselves to the system and dont care about the multitudinous losers to create the few big winners. One has to see past the complicity ( all systems have rewards and punishments) and recognise there is a conscious not happenstance law of the jungle. To say there isnt is to say their is no conspiracy against the majority.
When you understand the money system you can see clearly the power and control of the 'law of the jungle' over everything.

One could say ; how could one Caesar rule a bad empire, surely its more the local lords abusing power and dishonest bureacrats etc.
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Posted 01 January 2005 - 04:39 AM

The quote from DR says it all, DonQ.

The elite intelligencia and bankers know better than us whats good for them!

Who would be stupid enough to trust the people through govt to
run the world, given how much we have been dumbed down, by the elite!
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Posted 01 January 2005 - 04:57 AM

Originally posted by Bader
Howdy DonQ:

Back after a week away.

To say that the only way to take the Lions share off him and avoid confrontation - by taking away the money system, shows
ignorance of the money power.
This is the same as saying plan to take the throne off the Caesar and you wont cause confrontation.
The money system is the means of the power. Who ever takes it over takes over the power and are able to do the same. This is like the Pharoah dynasty, who ever conquered those in power,
even when they were from a thousand miles away merely sat on the throne as the new Pharoah, the system was kept running.
Not one of them gave it up without a fight.



Howdy Bader, and welcome back;)
No, you didn't get the point of this. Let me explain via an example: In Cuba, after the Revolution, the lions had the power to resist and overthrow the monkey-turned-lion who challenged them. They had the money to buy mercenaries, etc (not much different than Iraq). What Castro did? He exchanged the convertible currency with a new currency with his picture in it...:confused:

Unfortunely Castro turned bad, but the point is that if they control the salt we could break their monopoly by making alternative money.

Other than that, the coops don't need money and are independent, which is why Castro crushed them later. So those are the alternatives I see.

Hey, HAPPY NEW YEAR, BADER!!!:cool:
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Posted 01 January 2005 - 07:32 PM

"the New York and London banks immorally reap
the LION'S SHARE of profits for the labor
of most of the people on the planet."

Very interesting article, Bader. Notice it names the puppeteer by name...;)

"Without this step, freedom can never be real,
because no truly humane system of governance
can ever be implemented as long as the same greedy crooks
retain control of the world's money."


This is the Most Scary Poetic Essay on our Real Dilemma
========================================================
For more information go to http://www.johnkaminski.com/
http://www.google.co... John Kaminski

The Next Steps:

Essential Maneuvers To Forestall Armageddon

by John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net
12-29-04

Of course, far too few people comprehend
the depth of the decay, the advanced state of the disease.
When you willingly and happily participate in a program
meant to deceive and destroy you,it is doubly difficult
to first realize and second admit you've been had.

Then, when you finally do realize and admit your future
has been rendered substantially dimmer by a small group
of utterly conscienceless rich white men whose demented,
inbred families have ruled the whole world from behind the scenes
for probably 500 years and maybe much longer,
and you turn to the authorities you trust for protection
from this suddenly discovered psychological tsunami,

you learn another hard lesson.

They are not on your side.

The real purpose of the police is not to protect the public,
it is to protect the bankers and politicians who quite literally
own the public,especially when that astonished
and outraged populace realizes it has been betrayed,
and attempts to turn on its keepers.

The cops and the judges and the senators and the mayors
will not be on your side, because they derive their authority
as well as their affluence from the perverse plunderers
who seek to wring every last penny from the hapless human herd
they control and manipulate.

That is also the purpose of foreign wars,
to keep the public distracted from noticing the crimes
that are taking place right before their eyes
while they enthusiastically cheer their so-called enlightened system
and continue to boast they live in the best country in the world.

So, those who are paying at least nominal attention
to the malfunctions of the world and the inconsistencies
of all these facetious public explanations
-- that ever-so-small percentage of socially responsible humans
-- knows what the problems ARE.

The question I keep getting -- and the words on the lips
of those aghast people who want to stop the mass murders
and mass poisonings being inflicted in their names,
is -- what can we do?

Here's what?


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Posted 03 January 2005 - 05:02 AM

Howdy DonQ:

Best of fortunes this year.

J Kaminski has said what I have been saying all along which is why I never accepted the lion as being the govt. Govts are servants of the lion.

I dont believe I missed the point of the previous post as the situation remains the same. Try and take the power over the money system off them is a confrontation.

I dont think a colapse is anything worry about since a new govt can create new money to replace the failed one only in a matter of days and put it into circulation very quickly. Its the the use of the law, police. army etc that is the worry, as they can turn them on the people.
Was it 1991 in Moscow there was a showdown of this type and the people won. Same in Georgia. The Forces backed down.
The big job is to educate the people so they have confidence.
The media and the hyenas like George Soros will do their best to
undermine people power and fear is so easy to generate.

There is no shortage of information in the US to save it. The people can turn around and dump all the prostitutes out of the Senate, recapture the power over money, recapture the constitution and the House of R, form another party and let the two main ones dry up into nothing.
They can embargo the media mogals and hurt them big time.
It would be a second war of independance from the same kind of elite the first one was, Jewish international bankers behind King George. Everyone hated King George who was in debt bondage to the bankers.
The Crown Corporation and its subsidiaries like the East India Co,
ruling from the City of London that Gandhi was actually in confrontation with, the British establishment were hated in their stead like King George.
The Lions always get behind the scenes as the pupeteers and the strung-up players get the blame.

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#4618 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 01:28 PM

Is Juszczenko the sadness for Putin or graveyard for Soroz politics ?
Let us to analyze;

Economic situation in Ukraine will worsening because Russia has no purpose to support Ukraine economic. Yes.

Polish Kwasniewski has no money ; he makes the expensive gifts to US by supplying soldiers and paying US for weapons to be used for US in Iraq. Yes.
US has no money to offer to Ukraine only F-16 to sell for US support for Ukraine in NATO participation.Yes.
These transactions will set the countries of European Union besides UK, on ant Ukrainian position..Yes.
European Union expected Ukraine to buy of European military. In results will be no European money for Ukraine and further drop in Ukrainian life standard. Yes.

Putin will be easy elected president of Ukraine in next Ukrainian election.Yes.
Ukrainian romance with the West will be finished for good.

Bader, I got virus in your URL and on Donq.'s poll ; US or Israel ? Looks that we are target of biological weapon. :)
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#4619 donquijote

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Bader
Howdy DonQ:
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Howdy Bader, and welcome Woj!
Well, nice link you provide there. Actually there are two articles that caught my attention even before I got to the article you mention. They are "In the name of God" and the one below. See if you agree with this analysis. Notice the fish...;)

(from my homepage)

The solution though lies in the little animals realizing that it is in their best interests to end the jungle, but who are so far indifferent either because: a) They are fearful (if only they could become conscious of their own strength); B) They are selfish, and don't connect that the same lion who's busy eating others today, may come after them tomorrow; c) They don't see the lion (who's not a hairy beast but, say, a respectable mom in an SUV, unwilling to see the consequences of her acts); d) They like the lion (they may getting the scraps from the lion); e) They have been programmed that way; or f) They simply see a fight between lions, in which case there ain't nothing in it for them. Of course, there's no solution absolutely without lion, so we can safely say, "THE LESS LION THE BETTER." Society sets goals that should be accomplished at the community/cooperative level, and the state lion is used only when necessary. In other words, the WELL is better than the DAM.

Luckily, rather than a confrontation with the beast, or waiting for a total solution, it's possible for the little animals to find safety and happiness in the 'here and now' by getting together in groups. Such groups can be thought of as COOPERATIVES. (See "Bite back! The return of the co-op." Notice the big fish chasing the little ones who once organized in a cooperative chase him away...http://www.newint.org/)
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#4620 donquijote

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 05:43 PM

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Howdy DonQ:

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Sorry, can't find the article.:(
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