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Posted 18 January 2005 - 12:52 PM

Hersh's: US Preparing for War against Iran is in my opinion not far from truth . It is indirect confirmed by http://news.xinhuane...nt_2473997.htm.
It suggests that UN helps US by criticized Iran of forced repatriation of Afghan refuge.
"Tehran was making a distinction between legal refugees and those who had crossed into the country illegally,"
"The Islamic Republic of Iran has no hesitation to confront illegal entry of Afghans and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has no right to interfere in Iran's internal affairs.
UN refugee official says that the Iranian authorities had gone too far in the repatriation process.
I think that Un would like to see in Iran the illegal individuals i, sent there by US .
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Posted 18 January 2005 - 01:27 PM

In Congress, the proposed Iran Freedom and Support Act calls on the Bush administration to back ?regime change
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Posted 18 January 2005 - 01:40 PM

A video tape aired by the pan-Arab al-Jazeera TV channel on Tuesday showed the eight hostages holding Chinese passports standing in row, flanked by masked militants who read a statement, demanding the Chinese government clarify its stance on Iraq. http://news.xinhuane...ent_2478180.htm
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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:19 PM

When Charlie Rose in his interview with Abdullah II King of Jordan asked about US potential attack on Iran he discretely smiled.
It looks that Arabic world is not very much concern about it.
Abdullah II sees it as a opportunity of complete unification of Arabic world.
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Posted 19 January 2005 - 12:05 AM

Howdy Woj:

Both the Palestinians and Chechins want an independant state.
Thats their similarity. The circumstances however are not the same.
London, or perhaps England, is the number one terrorist haven in the world. That is why after Beslan Putin took acception to the
Allies, in particular Britain, who harbours a Chechin terrorist
leader, when they have all supposed to have an agreement on
working together to irradicate terrorism.

The refugee situation will be utilised by the zionists ( US and Israel) to penetrate Iran and everyone else in the region. That
will be why Iran will be thorough. UN officials should go and get an honest job.

Regards Abdullah 11, watch that space. The elite who run the show have show an interest ina new Ottoman Empire - the Middle east market and since the Israelis are too few in number they will want a surrigate ruling bunch to front it and I would expect the Hashemite lot will enjoy the privilege. There might be a Royal put over a Sunni state in central Iraq, to keep the piece.
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Posted 19 January 2005 - 01:01 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bader
similar is not same .


and Not all votes are equal
The West's different responses to elections in Ukraine, Macedonia and Kosovo suggests that it only supports the will of the people when the people do as they're told.

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In Ukraine, Western politicians celebrated opposition demonstrations in Kiev's main square as symbols of the brave people of the Ukraine standing up for democracy. Around the same time, a largely unreported referendum was taking place in the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, in which international community intervened forcefully to discourage voting. The November 2004 referendum in Macedonia concerned a law that was to begin implementation of the US set the Ohrid Agreement . This came after several months of fighting between the army and Albanian separatist groups in Macedonian areas of Tetovo and Kumanovo. Under NATO and EU pressure, in August 2001 the Macedonian government withdrew its heavy weaponry . Demonstrations against the law were held in Skopje, and a campaign grew for a referendum aiming to repeal the law. It was this referendum, held on 7 November 2004, which precipitated a flurry of activity in the international community. The Presidency of the EU warned Macedonia that should the referendum be successful in rejecting the law, Macedonia's chances of joining the EU would be seriously threatened , Lawrence Butler, US ambassador to Macedonia , and Michael Sahlin, the EU's special representative in Macedonia also issued warnings.
The Albanian population almost entirely boycotting the vote .I
t might have been thought that the international community would be concerned by this lack of participation, but far from it.
In fact, it was quick to praise the failure of the referendum due to low voter turnout. 'It shows that the citizens have chosen to maintain the course towards the European Union', said EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana (8). (OSCE) welcomed the result, as did US State Department spokesman Richard Boucher (9). The British minister for Europe, Denis MacShane, praised Macedonians.
Ironically, only two weeks before, at the end of October 2004, the international community had condemned the low level of voter participation in the Serbian region of Kosovo. The remaining Serbs of Kosovo, who were widely expected to boycott the elections, had been urged to vote by the NATO secretary general Jaap de Hoop Scheffer and UN chief Kofi Annan (11). Soren Jessen-Petersen, the head of the UN Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK), criticised Serbian prime minister Vojislav Kostunica's call for Kosovo's Serbs to boycott the election.

While Ukrainians are urged to fight for their right to have their votes counted, Macedonians are told not to make their votes count.
Neither call had anything to do with the democratic will of the citizens of the former Yugoslavia or the Ukraine.

Will of the people only when it is will of their master, it description of US democracy. :confused:
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Posted 19 January 2005 - 01:28 PM

Prince Harry joke with swastika brought storm but Jew keep silence when
the civilized English was driving a bound man around in a fork-lift truck and of forcing naked male detainees to simulate the performance of sexual acts.
No condemnation for US/UK allies, no at all.

The court martial proceedings are taking place in a UK military base in Osnabrück, northern Germany, where the accused men, who belong to the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers,.
Some from http://news.ft.com/c...000e2511c8.html
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Posted 19 January 2005 - 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Allan J. Clark

You are still doing great!! AJAY


Sorry, I misunderstood the meaning of your post , so I didn
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Posted 19 January 2005 - 02:25 PM

U.S.-led troops using the ancient Iraqi city of Babylon damaged and contaminated artifacts dating back thousands of years.

For example, military vehicles crushed a 2,600-year-old brick pavement, and archaeological fragments, including broken bricks stamped by King Nebuchadnezzar II around the same time, were scattered across the site...

The dragons at the Ishtar Gate were marred by cracks and gaps where someone tried to remove their decorative bricks,.

Large quantities of sand mixed with archaeological fragments have been taken from the site to fill military sandbags.

Coalition troops in Babylon had used "armored vehicles and helicopters that land and take off freely. In addition to that, the forces also set up other facilities and changes."

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Posted 19 January 2005 - 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Bader
Regards Abdullah 11, watch that space. The elite who run the show have show an interest ina new Ottoman Empire - the Middle east market and since the Israelis are too few in number they will want a surrigate ruling bunch to front it and I would expect the Hashemite lot will enjoy the privilege. There might be a Royal put over a Sunni state in central Iraq, to keep the piece.



Jordan King Abdullah II is not legally wearing Jordanian crown.
He was selected by his father outside succession when being on medical surgery in US .I
In last moment he drove to Jordanian kingdom to claim the Abdullah a king .
It is rather peculiar selection. His mother is English. Maternal nationality is indifferent for Arabic societies.
And it wouldn
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 05:07 AM

Howdy Bader
Canek, the grandson of Che Guevara, is a graphic designer will be working in the design of the T-shirts with the NO LION logo. Any ideas are welcome...

Imagine wearing the T-shirts proudly. I can't wait to wear them with certain lions I know.;)
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 05:28 AM

Howdy Bader
This is a good article on how debt makes war necessary. The lie-on tells us pretty words, but it all boils down to big bucks...;)

I don't think I've ever explained how usury is the cause of
wars so this is brand new.

David Astle's Babylonian Woe set the historical premise.

First of all, keep in mind that Alexander the Great was made
to wait for the loan he needed to conquer the world by his
local gold-bullion-broker. In his conquests, he was always
after their gold and slaves to pay off his loan-shark. If
they were after gold and slaves, they were probably in debt
making war trying to get out of out of debt or out of debt
making war trying to stay there. "The Pit" is one name.

But go back a few millennia when no one had enough gold in
one pile to finance world conquest yet.

But you did have these huge powerful well-guarded trading
caravans travelling around buying and selling slaves with
gold.

Now, if you bought something neat and signed an IOU for the
gold to get it, if you got your tribe into debt like many
dictators have done, and couldn't pay, you had to hand over
all your gold when the Master's caravan arrived or some
slaves. And if you have no slaves, the deal was that you and
your kin became the slaves they took away.

And the debt is always the principle times the interest
rate. The debt is always greater than the gold available to
pay. So you either keep handing over family when the slave-
master arrives or you get into raiding too.

Now imagine all the tribes around you are in the same
predicament. The tribal leaders all bought these neat new
swords, had a few fights and signed up for even bigger
swords, all are in debt to the global bankers and arms
dealers with the only way of getting out of debt by coming
up with gold or slaves.

If your tribe is tough enough, you might prefer to raid
another tribe, grab a few of their people and use them to
pay off the travelling usury slave-master. And it pays off
to united tribes so it's always the "aliens" who are being
sold into slavery at yearly accounting period when the
Master caravan arrives to claim his due, not your kin.

Now imagine all the regions around you are in the same
predicament. They'd better organize to be able to get their
tribes into even bigger armies.

Now imagine all the nations around yours arming and having
to raid you before you can raid them to see which of you
will be able to pay the travelling slave-master at
accounting time. He can beat you both up but would rather
let you fight it out among yourselves.

The name of the usury mort-gage game is death-gamble. They
all borrowed 10 pieces of gold and made the impossible
contract to all pay back 11 pieces of gold forgetting "Gold
has no babies" and human slaves was the only other currency.

So, throughout all history, they raid you and yours to pay
their impossible debts to the money-lenders and you raid
them and theirs to pay your impossible to the same guys.

Everywhere, bubbling up is the never-ending demand for more
gold or slaves. Never peace. Never strong enough because you
need slavery to cope with your own debts. If you ain't the
buyer, you're the sale. Always barbarians on the outside
raiding to get get in. Always. Throughout all recorded human
history. The impulse to war and slavery for no apparent
reason. Even Alexander the Great really didn't want to
destroy everything. He just wanted the deeds to the property
so he could mortgage more money for an even bigger army. Why
eternal war for no apparent reason? Because the reason is
only apparent in the account books of the usury money-
lender. Just like today.

Imagine what kind of organization could do this, pit each
tribe at each other's throats forever. Some think such
degenerate thinking must be alien but I firmly hope our
world's international bankers are simply degenerate humans.
Or we're in real trouble if the usury system is galactic.
But it sure paid off for the money-lenders despite the
carcasses of their slaves.

Imagine them still doing it to us today!!!!

Now appreciate that all the great Buddhist, Hebrew,
Christian, Muslim preachers all denounced usury, interest on
something that has no babies.

Now appreciate that global banksters were global even if
they've erased the recorded evidence of that. The same
weights for gold were used from China to Britain 5000 years
ago. The gold slave-traders were doing the usury scam 5000
years ago. And thus the constant need for war, to raid or be
raided, to pay debts impossible for everyone by the usury
trick.

So accept that in ancient times,the global loan-sharks had
almost every village in the world tied up in debt chains.
Those in debt could not resist and those with cash held the
chains could never give their usury up.

But it was constant combat for freedom or pillage. Go read
ancient Egyptian history. It was the constant fending off of
encroachments by barbarians, constant raids of pillage and
conquest.

And when the bankers really wanted to make easy foreclosure
pickings, they'd put large parts of their to the sword by
pooling their gold and financing an Alexander the Great.

Alex The Great Debtor.

Har har har har.

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Posted 20 January 2005 - 06:52 AM

"Richard Brooks presents a bleak future --one in which the left-wing terrorists, right-wing generals, and CIA operatives toy with the very existence of the planet."

Sit back, relax and take a look at this satirical movie about what's going on in the world today--just that it was shot in 1982!

Well, you know, it's all a farse...;)

Wrong is Right
Richard Brooks
Columbia TriStar Home Video 04/82 DVD
R

With international tensions heated to the boiling point, terrorism on the minds of millions, TV news more popular than ever, and the threat of a nuclear holocaust once again emerging as a much discussed topic, Wrong Is Right could not have been released at a better time. Take a cue from Stanley Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove, Richard Brooks seems to believe that doomsday material is best presented as comedy --thus reducing the fear inherent in the subject matter until people can respond to what they would otherwise repress.

Books has adapted (from the novel The Better Angels by Charles McCarrey), directed, and produced this ambitious political thriller which touches upon significant social and moral issues on the agenda of all thinking Americans during the 1980s. Some viewers will no doubt be turned off by the many character caricatures in the tale; others may bristle at the story's pushy, polemical, and verbose points about war, politics, and television. But Brooks realistically sees the world as a stage and we as the players; how we react to or run away from the public dramas of our times may well determine the future of this planet.

Wrong is Right takes place sometime in the nebulous future. Giant American spy satellites monitor the activities of countries all over the world. Patrick Hale (Sean Connery) is a famous news reporter for the World Television Network. He is in North Africa doing a feature story on King Awad (Ron Moody), an oil-rich and religious ruler who has built a prosperous empire in the desert. When Sally Blake (Katharine Ross) another reporter, is killed in a bomb blast and the sheik dies shortly afterwards, Hale realizes that he has only had a glimpse of what is really going on.

Rafeeq (Henry Silva), the head of a highly armed terrorist group; Helmut Unger (Hardy Kruger), a sneaky international arms dealer; Homer Hubbard (John Saxon), a clever and dangerous CIA agent; and his boss (G. D. Spradlin) are all after two atomic bombs packed in suitcases which were to have been purchased by King Awad. The person who must determine the planned uses of these weapons is Lockwood (George Grizzard), President of the United States. As he tries to sort out all the details surrounding the terrorist group, the activities of the CIA, and the possible malevolent stratagems of his political opponent in an upcoming election (Leslie Nielsen), Lockwood receives mixed signals from his advisors --a black woman Vice President (Rosalind Cash) and a war-mongering general (Robert Conrad).

Richard Brooks presents a bleak future --one in which the left-wing terrorists, right-wing generals, and CIA operatives toy with the very existence of the planet. Wrong is Right (the title included) resonates with George Orwell's black comic novel 1984 but, to a greater degree than did that classic work, it stresses the powerful role of the media.

Cultural critic Daniel Boorstin noted years ago: "We do not need to be theologians to see that we have shifted responsibility for making the world interesting from God to the newspaperman." Here the task falls to the TV reporter. Connery and his ratings-hungry boss (Robert Webber) create "news theatre" staring celebrities rather than gifted individuals; truth is swallowed up in a surfeit of dramatic happenings, and politics becomes nothing more than role-playing. In this scenario, information (the facts) is transformed into entertainment and the more violent, the better.

The topical nature of this movie works in its favor, and Brooks has paced the story very briskly. Wrong is Right projects present day amorality in politics, culture, and the use of technology. It should occupy a space alongside Dr. Strangelove, Fail Safe, Seven Days in May, and Twilight's Last Gleaming as a cautionary tale about America.

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Posted 20 January 2005 - 09:10 AM

Its unbelievable the extent of politcal corruption, its almost out of control. Twenty years ago all this carry on today in eastern and southern Europe Woj wouoldnt have been believed if someone said what was going to happen.

Good to see you taking a proper interest in the money system
DonQ.
I have said many times its the cause of most of the problems.

A suggestion for a T shirt:

"lion = no justice
justice = no lion" One on the front and the other on the back.
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 03:30 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by donquijote
[Howdy Bader
This is a good article on how debt makes war necessary. The lie-on tells us pretty words, but it all boils down to big bucks...;)

I don't think I've ever explained how usury is the cause of
wars so this is brand new.

And when the bankers really wanted to make easy foreclosure
pickings, they'd put large parts of their to the sword by
pooling their gold and financing an Alexander the Great.
Alex The Great Debtor.
[QUOTE]

Oliver Stone in my opinion selected Alexander the Great as a hero of his movie because it brought financial donations of homosexuals.
Love of Alexander the Great and his lover Hephaestus is taking significant part of the movie. After Hephaestus death Alexander even selected day for his memory celebration.

Alexander; the movie was financial failure and even Soros decided that since then his agenda will be less liberal.
We might expect that homosexuals quietly will fade away from main pages of newspapers and TV.

But I, as a believer of Slavic reincarnation religion, see the Alexander the Great as a reincarnated again in US in a group of American politicians.
Alexander didn
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 03:42 PM

What will be more meaningful; Day of Bush inauguration or day when giant squid washing up on Orange County beaches.

NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. - Hundreds of giant squid are washing up on Orange County beaches, creating a scene more akin to "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea"

The bug-eyed sea creatures, believed to be Humboldt squid, normally reside in deep water and only come to the surface at night. Why approximately 500 of them began washing up on the sands of Laguna Beach and Newport Beach on Tuesday isn't clear.
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"I have heard of this happening before, but it's not a common occurrence,"
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 06:54 PM

Is heritage background of John Kerry and Barbara Boxer behind that they are both against MS Rice.?
These both politicians were for Iraq front when they expect US to win. .
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Posted 21 January 2005 - 05:03 AM

It has been many whales washing up now deep quid. It will relate to the science games and experiements with haarp or scalkar weaponry which is one option on how the tsunami was set off.
Recently an American sub hit a mountain under the see that didnt exist until recently. Obviously the floor of the oceans are mapped. It is very likely that someone will, want to foul the 'map'
up but then it really hasnt any long term benefit but is best done prior to a major war.
I also am suspicious that American forces who are operating in numerous countries, not necessary at war with them are creating grid system, if one doesnt already exist, by burying electronic marker in the ground so if in a war situation the satelite systems are disturbed and malfunction by enemy action they have aground back-up system even if a little primative. I dont exclude the ability of a nation to actually shift the earth a little off its present axis which would effectively render satelite systems erronious.
In the mean time the US is making to harder and harder for the Slavs to unit.
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Posted 21 January 2005 - 07:55 AM

Originally posted by Bader
In the mean time the US is making to harder and harder for the Slavs to unit.


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Posted 21 January 2005 - 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Bader
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In the mean time the US is making to harder and harder for the Slavs to unit.



*Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. *~Donald Rumsfeld

So as long we Slavs alive we will be united.

So far nor the tsunami nor sub accident are for anybody the success stories.

I am not blaming those who are resolved to rule, only those who show an even greater readiness to submit. ~Thucydides
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