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#5021 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 11:11 AM

Bush with Kofi Annan create the Sainthood in the Roman Catholic Church.
Pope already ordered to be buried in 3 coffins, one from steel to so his bones could be sold by Vatican as the miracles pieces used instead of medicines.
But problems is with ashes of children murdered in Yugoslavia and Iraq. .
They are the facts and Truth.
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 11:27 AM

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Howdy Woj:

The Arabs should demand a homeland be granted for them at Germany's expense.
So the Arabs then should carve off a chunk of Germany with the UN blessing.

The the Arabs would have somewhere to immigrate to.



Germany Ethnic groups:
German 91.5%, Turkish 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Greek, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish)

And Turkish population is most growing group in Germany. When Turkey will join EU Turkey also will be the most influential group in Germany.
I still can not decide it is good or bad.
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 11:39 AM

Tsunami survivors prey and they ask question if they were victims of the deadly waves on Dec. 26, by God will or USA?
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 11:46 AM

Tens of thousands of Sudanese marched through the capital Khartoum on Tuesday in response to a government campaign against a U.N. resolution referring war crime suspects to the International Criminal Court. Chanting slogans denouncing the United Nations and the United States, angry protesters, mostly young men, stopped at the U.N. building, then the British embassy and finally the U.S. embassy, where they shouted: "Down, down, USAhttp://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=World&cat=Sudan
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 12:17 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Bush with Kofi Annan create the Sainthood in the Roman Catholic Church.
Pope already ordered to be buried in 3 coffins, one from steel to so his bones could be sold by Vatican as the miracles pieces used instead of medicines.
But problems is with ashes of children murdered in Yugoslavia and Iraq. .
They are the facts and Truth.



Woj, it's a puppet show for the masses. They'll forget their earthly destitution for a few days, and will have time to admire their leaders, who love PR.:(

"After one year as pope, Leo XIV becomes disillusioned with the job. He is caught up in the cramped schedules of visiting dignitaries and the sick expecting miracles. Every morning he is briefed on world events, for which he feels powerless to do anything. He feels `completely out of touch with how most people live,' and wonders if anything he says has any effect outside the Vatican walls.

Leo tells the shepherd that the pope can even be `a tramp who comes to a deserted village to help some neglected people.' (...) IT MAY JUST AS WELL BE THAT GOD CAN BETTER USE A TRAMP THAN A POPE, OR WHOEVER WE ARE IN BETWEEN."

(movie "Saving Grace" at... http://www.imdb.com/...091895/#comment)

Sadly, the movie is not very realistic. Leaders are all out of touch. And they set the wrong priorities; they always do. They skip a summit that is to give LIFE to the impoverished masses of the world, and to save the Earth itself, but choose to attend the funeral of a "Holy Man." It sounds to me like "Wholly Hypocrisy" though...:cool:


Bush snubs earth summit

Julian Borger in Washington
Saturday August 17, 2002
The Guardian

George Bush will not attend this month's Johannesburg earth summit, the White House confirmed yesterday: a decision environmentalists said illustrated the administration's contempt for green issues.

It did not come as a surprise. Mr Bush abandoned the Kyoto protocol on global warming last year, and later proposed an alternative with far less ambitious goals.

http://www.guardian....,776085,00.html

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Bush to attend pope-s funeral
The Associated Press 04/05/2005

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush said Monday he will express Americans- gratitude for the life of Pope John Paul II when he leads a U.S. delegation to Vatican City as the first sitting president to attend a pope-s funeral.

It will be "my great honor, on behalf of our country, to express our gratitude to the Almighty for such a man," Bush said. "And of course we look forward to the majesty of celebrating such a significant human life."

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He said even though they didn-t agree on everything, he always appreciated hearing the pope-s point of view.

"Of course he was a man of peace, and he didn-t like war," Bush said. "And I fully understood that, and I appreciated the conversations I had with the Holy Father on the subject."

http://www.zwire.com..._id=24361&rfi=6

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 12:19 PM

>I saw a news report on Oberman last night on some of the things that the Pope has been through in his lifetime... I tell you this Pope was no pussy. He was a tough SOB!<

Howdy
I'm not aiming at the Pope per se, but at the whole hypocrisy of the funeral, of which, of course, he's an only an involuntary participant.

The world is probably worse off than when he took over, though it wasn't even his fault. Actually it ain't going to take a pope or a president, who all caught up in the web of power, to change it, but the conscious effort of all little people to change the HIERARCHAL SYSTEM, which is much to blame for the calamities of the world.

"Miracles" of this sort don't just happen; they require a REVOLUTION.;)
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 01:27 AM

A French Prof. is on record for alleging that the tsunami was man-made.

Japans war crimes. Since lies are acceptable over the last 50 odd years by another group and the world will not take offences then the game is there to be played by others. At least at this stage it isnt a crime to deny that the Chinese suffered great civilian loses.
Then again perhaps if anyone persists with accusing the Japanese for war crimes they should be guilty of hate crimes against the Japanese!

I couldnt argue with your commenst DonQ.
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Bader
I couldnt argue with your commenst DonQ.



Hi Bader
I hope it's because you agree.;)

Anyway here's more food for thought...

"He fought the Nazis for God's sake!"

Everybody fought the Nazis. Common sense told you they would be beat, and there were others coming. Another thing though is to confront America and tell it like it is vis-a-vis the Iraq war. Chances are, you'd be retired before due time. Kofi Annan was less timid than the Pope, but he knows not to push his luck too much...;)

'Law of the Jungle' guides U.S. says Annan

UN Secretary's meets with Blacks; comments aimed at Bush.

October 14, 2003 -- Kofi Annan was of determined mind and sharp tongue. In a meeting with BET.com and other African Americans earlier this week, the secretary-general of the United Nations gave President Bush a good verbal spanking for making the world a more dangerous place.

DAPPER AND soft-spoken as always, the Ghanaian-born UN chief avoided mentioning the United States or President Bush by name when issuing his most pointed comments. But his diplomatic approach did not hide a calculated escalation of his criticism of the Bush administration-s war against Iraq, nor the certainty of his target.

"The house of man will never be secure while billions live in the basement, or while a few in the penthouse act as they please," he said in his remarks over lunch.

That-s exactly what the United States did from its sole super-power penthouse when it defied the nations of the world by invading Iraq.

http://www.umich.edu...ofa/jungle.html
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 09:48 AM

Originally posted by donquijote
October 14, 2003 -- Kofi Annan was of determined mind and sharp tongue. In a meeting with BET.com and other African Americans earlier this week, the secretary-general of the United Nations gave President Bush a good verbal spanking for making the world a more dangerous place.



Fact is that not every crime is punished but societies have to start in some point.
South Korean Minister of Trade Kim Hyun-Chong canceled plans to attend a meeting of Asian trade officials in Japan as a spat over Japanese textbooks, that have also drawn criticism from China, sours relations between the two countries. http://quote.bloombe...BLmI&refer=home
China supports reforms of the Security Council, but objects to setting a timetable for the process as proposed by UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan.
"In the long-term interest of the United Nations as a whole, China is not in favor of setting an artificial time limit for Council reform and still less of forcing through any immature proposals lacking consensus in the form of a democratic vote,"

Discussions should not be confined to the two council expansion models contained in Annan's report and China is open to all proposals as long as they are conducive to overcoming divergence and maintaining unity among the member states.

Annan called for the expansion of the 15-nation Security Council before September UN summit.
There are two models for the council's enlargement.
Model A would increase the permanent council members from the present five to 11, but the six new permanent members would not have the power of veto.
Model B would create a new layer of eight so-called semi-permanent members, which would have four-year renewable terms.
Model A has been supported by Brazil, Germany, Japan and India, the four front-runners in the competition for new permanent seats on the Security Council. The four are planning to force through a resolution in the General Assembly by the summer, which would endorse Model A.
But Model A has been strongly opposed by Mexico, Italy, Pakistan and dozens of other countries, which favor Model B. http://news.xinhuane...ent_2796633.htm


Kofi Annan was elected by US and for US . US blocked any other candidate and African Boutros Boutros-Ghali was kicked from leader position for his luck of support for US in US attack on Yugoslavia . Boutros Boutros-Ghali Egyptian was scholar and statesman, secretary-general of the United Nations from Jan. 1, 1992 to Dec. 31, 1996. Sixth secretary-general of the United Nations (1992
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 09:49 AM

Howdy DonQ:
It was my way of saying I couldnt disagree.

The UN are as guilty as the Bushs father and son for the genocide in Iraq.
They never did anything about the US, both Britain and the US should be suspended from the Security Council, Colin Powell lied to them, no response to that either.
The UN sanctioned the destruction of basic unfastructure that contributed to the beaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. They allowed the US to manipulate the Inspections and withdrew them so the US could resume bombing.

The UN is the biggest whore-house on the praire. Washington is the next biggest.

They know about depleted uranium and are turning a blind eye.

The UN castle is a penthouse. How many billions do they waste while millions starve? Annan is just another high paid executive.
Did he have a bowl of plain rice for lunch?
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 11:19 AM

Originally posted by donquijote
>I saw a news report on Oberman last night on some of the things that the Pope has been through in his lifetime... I tell you this Pope was no pussy. He was a tough SOB!<


I'm not aiming at the Pope per se, but at the whole hypocrisy of the funeral, of which, of course, he's an only an involuntary participant.

The world is probably worse off than when he took over, though it wasn't even his fault. Actually it ain't going to take a pope or a president, who all caught up in the web of power, to change it, but the conscious effort of all little people to change the HIERARCHAL SYSTEM, which is much to blame for the calamities of the world.




The Chinese government said on Thursday it will not send an envoy to Pope John Paul II's funeral due to its long-standing policy of refusing to recognize states that have diplomatic relations with rival Taiwan. http://story.news.ya...e_as/pope_china


Hierarchy is hierarchy, but Pope was skillful enough to become Polish cardinal.
He was from humble village of Wadowice , he didn
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 12:04 PM

...and remove compulsory religious education in state schools paid by taxpayers money and introduced and enforced by Pope Karol Wojtyla to Poland.
I don
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Posted 08 April 2005 - 09:48 AM

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 11:27 AM

are well tested US allies.
But two terms in both cases passed and no American tricks could set them longer on presidential chairs.
So in both cases were designated Mrs Fox and Mrs Kwasniewski to start races for presidential chairs.
I don
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Posted 08 April 2005 - 12:17 PM

- Nothing New Under The Sun - Azovs comparison Paraguay with Uruguay-

Restroom area might be better income property than regular home.
But still most of people stay away of transfering their property in your two 00 zone. :)
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Posted 08 April 2005 - 01:06 PM

US/ Annan calls on human rights body to disband (Cuba and Zimbabwe);
US /UN appointed four: Dermot Ahern, the Irish foreign affairs minister, Ali Alatas, the former Indonesian foreign minister, Joaquin Chissano, the former Mozambique president, and Ernesto Zedillo, the former Mexican president
http://news.ft.com/c...000e2511c8.html
Recent report on UN reform has almost overlooked the threats arising from the unilateral use of force and violation by the world big powers.
In any attempt toward reforming the UN, the outlooks and concerns of all world countries should be taken into account such as the Non-Aligned Movement, the Organization of the Islamic Conference, the G-77 group and so on.
"If the reforms aim to make the UN more efficient, the trend should be quite transparent and the attempts toward this end should be based on collaboration and dialogue, rather than being forced and imposed upon others," intercepts http://news.xinhuane...ent_2805155.htm

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 10:33 AM

For Israel path to European Union.
Why and who needs the sainthood of Pope John Paul II?. Answer is very easy; US and Israel.
The presence of their leaders on Pope
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Posted 09 April 2005 - 11:42 AM

The Istituto per le Opere di Religione, known as the Vatican Bank and is the third pillar of the Vatican's finances. It doesn't release financial data.
After making a profit for eight years, the Holy See, ran deficits in the three years through 2003., . The separately run budget for Vatican City. The papacy relies on earnings from roughly $1 billion in stocks, bonds and real estate to top up donations from Catholics around the world. While the Holy See benefited in the 1990s from booming stock markets and a strong dollar.``
Catholic churches around the world donate about 80 million euros a year to the Vatican. The Vatican tries to avoid armament makers and pharmaceutical companies that make abortion products.
The Italian government would block the export of any of the Vatican Museums collection.
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John Paul inherited a church in 1978.
Its 2003 results included a 22.4 million-euro profit from renting buildings near the Vatican, and an 11.6 million-euro loss on financial assets. The loss on currencies alone was 32.8 million euros. During 2003, the Standard & Poor's 500 Index gained 26 percent, while the dollar lost 17 percent against the euro.
Vatican City -- -- had 2003 revenue of 145.9 million euros, up 5 percent, mostly from entrance fees paid by 3 million visitors to the Vatican Museums and the tax- free stores it operates for employees and diplomats. The 8.8 million-euro deficit came after the city paid 10.5 million euros to help the Holy See cover losses at Vatican Radio for a second year in a row..
The stores within the Vatican walls include a pharmacy that can import medicines not yet approved in Italy, a supermarket and a store housed in a restored old train station that offers Giorgio Armani suits, Chanel perfumes and Cartier watches at as much as 50 percent cheaper than they cost elsewhere in Rome.
Vatican Bank
Combined, the cost of maintaining the Vatican's offices and its four Roman basilicas, paying the 123-man Vatican police and housing the pope's 110 Swiss Guards154.7 million euros.
The world's smallest state, Vatican City occupies half a square kilometer (a fifth of a square mile) on the right bank of the Tiber River in central Rome. It mints its own euro coins and issues its own postage stamps, also denominated in euros. It had 1,534 workers in 2003.
Tourists can only visit St. Peter's Square, the basilica and the museum.
Most of the Vatican's 4,000 employees have deposits the Istituto per le Opere di Religione. So do many religious organizations. Dioceses also keep their accounts with Istituto per le Opere di Religione.
The 49 million euros of donations from individual Catholics rose 5.7 percent in 2003. U.S. The contributions go into a fund called Peter's Pence. It's handled directly by the pope for charitable purposes.
Vatican II
The Catholic parishes worldwide -- even Rome's -- are financially independent from the Vatican and many have far more money. The Archdiocese of Chicago, , had revenue of $553 million in the year ended June 30, 2004. That independence kept the Vatican financially untouched by sex-abuse scandals in the U.S. The Archdiocese of Portland, Oregon, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in July 2004 after paying $53 million to settle more than 100 allegations of sexual abuse by clergy. The diocese of Tucson, Arizona, filed for Chapter 11 in September and Spokane, Washington, followed in November.
Before Vatican II, the Holy See had lived off a $92 million indemnity paid by the Italian government in 1929 to compensate for land -- including most of what's now central Italy -- that its armies had seized from the pope during Italian reunification in the 19th century. That was when the pope was confined to the Vatican after being thrown out of his home in the Quirinale Palace in the heart of historic Rome, which became the residence of the royal family and then president.
The Holy See had lost money every year since it started counting in 1970. Under Canon 1271 of the Code of Canon Law -- the procedural and administrative laws of the church codified in 1917
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Posted 09 April 2005 - 12:00 PM

Now radical Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr is urging his supporters to mass at the square and mark the anniversary by directing anger at the U.S.-led coalition.
"The occupation forces started with this place, and now from this same place we want them to leave Iraq,"
"They have toppled Saddam and now we want them out.
The situation in Iraq is going from bad to worse.
Sheik Hareth al-Dhari, the leader of the Association of Muslim Scholars, an influential group of hard-line Sunni Muslim clerics suspected of having ties to the Iraqi insurgency.
"We call on all Iraqis to demonstrate in all of Iraq's cities against the occupation,"
Al-Daraji said al-Sadr's supporters will demand that foreign troops leave or at least set a timetable for withdrawal. A year ago, U.S. soldiers tore down al-Sadr posters, in an otherwise almost empty Firdos Square because of a curfew imposed to prevent any gatherings on the anniversary.
The planned protests are a sharp contrast from two years ago .
The concrete barriers topped with barbed wire guard the nearby Palestine and Sheraton hotels, home to foreigners. U.S. Humvees and Bradley armored vehicles sit inside the hotel compound.
At night, only stray dogs venture out.
http://news.yahoo.co...eu/pope_bush_30
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Posted 09 April 2005 - 11:07 PM

I notice that Clinton, as Ex-Pres is managing to stay in world limelight, as the Popes death gets more international extensive exposure than any previous Pope, as Israel shows more interest in UE, as the US dollar
exposes the probable sun-set future of the US as a single
dominant world power and more importantly the secretive reforms of the UNO.

The new Pope will bring to world attention, Im picking, the probability of the Pope having a chair in Jerusalem, which will
be linked in with a new UN and such miracle workers for world peace such as Clinton, maybe he will become a saint!

If a USA Cardinal becomes the Pope it will make it easier for the US to become a team player in the new environment and stop being the bully. That is, to move towards one world govt.

A new 'democratic' state for the Palestians with the Pope in the next door suberb of Jerusalem, the glory of it all with the tree great montheistic religions all loving one another pumped out by the Jewish dominated press will make it easy to extend the
UN law that its an offence to criticise the UN, to criticising Israel
as well as a terrorist act. No govt will be able to protect its citizens free speach.

You cant seperate faith and the state because the state is supposed to represent all sections of the community. You cant with Vatican City because the church is the state.
Same in the Soviet Union the state dictated what the citizens were allowed to believe, just the same as if the Vatican dictated what Italians could believe. China is the same, persecuting religious peoples. The claim to be seperating church and state is
mischievous and a licence to take away freedom, like the
banning of the Ten Commandments in public buildings, eg Courts, by law in the USA. That is the same as religious dictatorship making is a crime not to display religious posters in all public places.
The ploy of starting with a cliche that sounds wise is an old trick
and everyone should be heartly sick of them in todays world.
The debate should start with something clear and simple, like freedom of belief. Up till now in the west there has been fredom of belief and not much interest in finite details about what is allowed in schools, such as relating to historical and traditional
parts of the nations culture which includes some basic aspects of religion. One can note the predominance of humanism and anti-faith in public schools which is also a specific school of belief yet
the traditional religious people have been tolerant but those who they have tolerated have got to where they have the power to be intolerant in reply.
The only answer is equality of freedom of belief. Then there is no question regarding the state because it should serve and represent all according to the size of the communities.

When the Pagan Roman Empire collapsed it was the state religion that become the ideological glue that held the broken empire back together again. I expect the same will happen
with a new world religion for a new world order, that will unit
by compromise all the religions of east and west.
As you say Woj religious compromise pays well in the world.
But it may bring persecution to those who cannot compromise-
genuine believers.
History shows that religious Rome was as ruthless with religious freedom as Pagan Rome.
The majority will just watch it all mindlessly as they did what happened in the Balkins and now in Iraq.
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