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[lolomarsei]

which brothers????

foreign affair pole ministry is a jew born in lyon , france
polish emigration

[Torquez]

poles aren't different than others, churches will be empty in the next 20 years...

They said the same in 1989
Actually among the youth the number of faithfull is increasing.
Also in polls catholic values are the most important for them alongside patriotism

foreign affair pole ministry is a jew born in lyon , france
polish emigration

Polish Commonwealth was multiethnic-A Polish citizen could be Lithuanian, German,Ukrainian, Jew etc.

[lolomarsei]

it will be!
no polish exceptionnality

keyword:
could;
it's gone since sigismond and ladislas Wasa:-))

how is the grandson of trotsky btw? still leading german minority in silesia?
:-))

[Torquez]

no polish exceptionnality

I disagree.Poles are very different then the rest of Europe in many ways. There is highly developed national-ethnic identity(unlike Spain for example), highly religious and conservative belief, religion and nationality are connected by centuries of being used as means to protect oneself, there is high resistance to secularisation, very much symphaty for USA,and Polish national culture equals the culture of nobility-unlike in other states where national culture was the result of other classes, in Poland its the result of nobility which due to high numbers dominated the society.

Historically Poland was different from other countries as well:
http://www.citinet.n...lska_11_f2.html

The szlachta made up nearly ten per cent of the population. Since they extended from the top to the bottom of economic scale, and right across the board in religion and culture, they represented a wider cross-section as well as a greater percentage of the population than any enfranchised class in any European country until the nineteenth century. To be a member of the szlachta was like being a Roman Citizen. The szlachta were the nation, the populus Romanus, while the rest of the people inhabiting the area were the plebs, who did not count politically.

While the Habsburgs of Austria, the Bourbons of France, the Tudors of England, and every other ruling house of Europe strove to impose centralized autocratic government, ideological unity and increasing control of the individual through a growing bureaucracy, Poland alone of the major states took the opposite course. The Poles had made an article of faith of the principle that all government is undesirable, and strong government is strongly undesirable. This belief was not based on some kind of inherent love of chaos, but on a deeply felt conviction that one man had no right to tell another what to do, and that the quality of life was impaired by unnecessary administrative superstructure.

As it withdrew more and more into this world it had created, Polish society appeared increasingly exotic to other Europeans.

[lolomarsei]

i'm shocked with your answer!
you really think that poland is unique and different?
come on, i don't want to turn you angry, but it's pure bullshit!!
AND YOU KNOW IT IF YOU DON'T FEEL IT!

[lolomarsei]

division and destruction:
germany, italy...

national ethnic identity is modern, under 19th russian rule, and even the second republic was highly multinational ( jews, germans, ukrainians, belarussians, kachoubes, lithuanians, tatars, did i forgot?)
nation state:
denmark, sweden, portugal(the oldests) then a lot of others
you're just wrong

[woj1@cyberonic.]

Brenner with his book

[Torquez]

national ethnic identity is modern, under 19th russian rule

Not really, the first forms of national identity are already found in XIII century.

nation state:
denmark, sweden, portugal(the oldests) then a lot of others

Catholic conservative nations state ?

you're just wrong

Oh really ? :
http://www.economist...0104/CSF914.gif

As you see in the chart all European countries are far from Poland in either direction.

[lolomarsei]

before reform, scandinavia was catlick, yes...
when germany and france were opening throats all week long, lithuania-poland was an island of tolerance ( before 1600)
so you catlick conservative identity is crap, under tsarist rule

aaah ah
poland is different from others?
you really believe that?
that's highly laughable!

[woj1@cyberonic.]

Life is dangerous,
EIGHT STABBED IN ATTACK ON MOSCOW SYNAGOGUE
Aleksandr Koptsev, an unemployed Moscow resident, stabbed eight people in the Chabad Bronnaya synagogue on 11 January, . The eight victims are in a hospital, where two are reportedly in serious but stable condition intercept http://www.rferl.org...sline/1-rus.asp
I expect that they also didn

[Torquez]

when germany and france were opening throats all week long, lithuania-poland was an island of tolerance ( before 1600)
so you catlick conservative identity is crap,

So you believe that being catholic means murdering people.Nice to know your views.

under tsarist rule

Yawn, Poland wasn't partitoned only by Russia.Germany and Austria took parts of Poland too, and Catholicism was important for those Poles too.

[Torquez]

[quote]
I expect that they also didn

[lolomarsei]

Originally posted by Torquez
So you believe that being catholic means murdering people.Nice to know your views.



Yawn, Poland wasn't partitoned only by Russia.Germany and Austria took parts of Poland too, and Catholicism was important for those Poles too.

no really, you think i learn something by reading you?
but seems you never heard about religion war in france or holy roman germanic empire and 30 years war...

LISTEN:
POLES ARE LIKE OTHER PEOPLE

[woj1@cyberonic.]

And Slavs remember;
and payment time will come,
It is not the accident why America and her dogs of war, loss the war , and they are so nervous about it.
.Do you remember movie last days of Hanoi? Ha, ha, ha.

More Proof Of US Ethnic Cleansing Of Serbs
Croatia: CIA allegedly behind 'ethnic cleansing' operation

http://www.adnki.com...248656542&par=0

ADN KRONOS INTERNATIONAL (ITALY)

CROATIA: CIA ALLEGEDLY BEHIND 'ETHNIC CLEANSING' OPERATION

http://engforum.prav...threadid=156014

[woj1@cyberonic.]

PUTIN WANTS RENEWAL OF SOVIET-ERA NUCLEAR TIES
Russian President Vladimir Putin said in Astana, Kazakhstan, He will present a plan for cooperation between Kazakhstan and RosAtom at the St. Petersburg summit of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) on 25 January and then go to Kyiv for talks on cooperation with Ukraine. Russia inherited about 80 percent of the nuclear industry of the Soviet Union but has only about half of the uranium ore it needs to make fuel to power it. RosAtom wants to buy uranium from Kazakhstan, which seeks Russian money to finance new nuclear power stations. http://www.rferl.org...sline/1-rus.asp

[woj1@cyberonic.]

Recently is talk about Slavs traces in Krakow - na Skalce, where are many Slavic Kurhans. But the most important in Krakow are Kurhans; Krakus and Wanda.
But Slavic names, to these days bring memory of Slavic culture.

[woj1@cyberonic.]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Torquez
Polish Commonwealth was multiethnic-A Polish citizen could be Lithuanian, German,Ukrainian, Jew etc. QUOTE]

Wrong again. Voting rights had only the landlords, the owners of the land..
Jews were forbidden to have land, in Poland the same like in
Russia, . therefore Jews stayed in trade, particularly of alcohol and it brought to them meaningful amount of money.

[woj1@cyberonic.]

UN is going to investigate the chiefs order to stop in two Polish cities (Warszawa and Poznan ) the homosexual demonstrations. I personally think' that UN decision it is not the democratic judgment, only the money of the members, choice.
Who think, that that mony decisions are unusual for UN?

[Bader]

sounds like a tug-o-war between the Catholic Church and the Jews.

[woj1@cyberonic.]

Tug of war or rather symbiosis;
they both have the same purpose and work hand in hand, I don