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#541 Gil Hughes

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Posted 24 July 2003 - 05:43 PM

Feaking Idiot
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#542 Buttersideup

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Posted 24 July 2003 - 07:17 PM

And how is that? You are the one expounding the virtues of Chernobyl Bottled Water Co.
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Posted 24 July 2003 - 07:18 PM

I knew you Canadians weren't to bright but that one "takes the cake".
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Posted 24 July 2003 - 07:25 PM

Unless of course you posted it as a joke...oui?
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Posted 24 July 2003 - 08:06 PM

<Hello Don- I read your post last night and had a good laugh over the story of the terminater. I have had some similar experiences, but I left, it can be scarry. And the place it was, wasn't really worth my time anyway, only two other people with anything to say. They were nice, but there were some scarry weidos.>

Hi Elizabeth
It was somebody else who mentioned the Terminator. Who's he an Internet terrorist? :)
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Posted 24 July 2003 - 10:49 PM

DQ,

Trust me, you don't want to know who he is/was.

The concept of buildilng a nuclear power plant in the ocean, though risky to be sure, is probably going to happen soon anyway. Water is becoming scarcer, as is the availability of energy to the masses, so someone will be looking to the vast potential of the ocean sooner or later.

I just hope they do the right thing.

AS far as TV is concerned, let me remind you, as I did before, that TV is a mirror of the culture of the country where it is emitted. The only country in the world that would have 9 hours or more of Thai boxing on prime time TV is ....... Thailand, see I knew you'd guess it. No other country I can think of would bother with THAT MUCH Thai boxing.

It's a simple rule in philosophy. Follow it in all your mass population needs. It comes from the axiom, birds of a feather flock together. People tend to migrate to the things that they are more comfortable with.

As far as TV is concerned, WYSIWYG. If a show is on TV, regardless of its cultural or historical or veridic nature, it is there because people are willing to watch it, period. If the people won't watch it, the advertisers won't pay for time slots, the film company won't make any money, and ........... off the air it goes.

You can take that thought to the bank. GUARANTEED!

Now you can take all the TV slots and only put on what you want people to see (as in Iraq, China - until recently, old Soviet Union, etc.) but with the advent of the Internet, cell phones, satellite communication, PCs, etc., it's becoming increasingly impossible to keep ENTIRE nations in the dark. Face it, it has become a global village and people can now choose practically anything they want to see.

Therefore, the adage is even truer now than before. It's not up to the TV studios to put on "specialized" TV, it's up to the viewers to gravitate towards them. I can guarantee you that if the National Geographic TV show garnered 80% of the viewing audience in its time slot, you'd instantly see 50 knock-offs of the same type within months, if not weeks.

It's the nature of the beast.
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Posted 24 July 2003 - 11:01 PM

I think "reality" tv is proof you are right
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Posted 24 July 2003 - 11:28 PM

Mr Sick,

How much do you know about French TV? I have seen it for years and daily watch their news program. Please explain to me where you feel they are being manipulated.
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Posted 24 July 2003 - 11:44 PM

<I had a great tie reading the posts last night, but was too tired to respond ,so I wanted to do it today,

I'm glad you enjoy reading these stories at night. Are we that boring that make you sleepy? :)

<and can't find the.>

Don't worry, I get the point...:)
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Posted 24 July 2003 - 11:50 PM

Why don't you start one?

The First All Female Putin Fan Club, straight from New Orleans, LA.

You could, like, invite him to Mardi Gras, and stuff. Rather than search out there, why not start one from where you're at?
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Posted 25 July 2003 - 12:02 AM

<As far as TV is concerned, WYSIWYG. If a show is on TV, regardless of its cultural or historical or veridic nature, it is there because people are willing to watch it, period. If the people won't watch it, the advertisers won't pay for time slots, the film company won't make any money, and ........... off the air it goes.>

Howdy Beat
It ain't so simple. Actually I would say American radio and TV sucks! And I'm not alone...

I say:

"Not culture, not truth, just the same music over and over and lots of
strident commercials filling the airwaves up to 22 minutes an hour!"

Commercial Radio Rules

Source: National Public Radio (the good radio)

Local hosts who may be hundreds of miles away, identical playlists
from town to town ... critics say radio just isn't what it used to be.
Join host Neal Conan for a look at changes in technology and media
ownership, and what it means to your radio dial.

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Harry - 02:42pm May 27, 2003 EDT (#1 of 14)
You can't stop the wars. You can't make the old younger. You can't
lower the price of bread. - Sinfonia (Berio)
Limbaugh haters - here's your chance.

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BryanDuffey - 03:11pm May 27, 2003 EDT (#2 of 14)

I don't think this has much to do with "Limbaugh haters". In my
opinion, the real tragedy is the "bland"isation of the airwaves.
Consolidated control means less new content, less innovative content
and more "dumb" content. What this means to my radio dial is that it
either stays off or tuned to the local college station. I won't vouch
for the politics but the music is far more diverse and just plain
better than what Clear Channel is feeding us.

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Ivan Mikailovich Veritas - 03:27pm May 27, 2003 EDT (#4 of 14)

The first guest discussing Commericial Radio on TOTN show of 27 May
2003 proclaimed that radio today is more diverse in its programming
than ever before.

I maintain this is patently false. Example: Jazz. Only nine 24-hr Jazz
Stations exist in the nation today; certainly a drastic decrease over
earlier times. And the treend there is towards zero.

In my opinion, unregulated commercialism is ruining the diversity of
choices of the US radio-listening public.

Ivan Mikhailovich Veritas Denver, Colorado

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Queen Autumn - 03:28pm May 27, 2003 EDT (#5 of 14)

I am a dj at an independent radio station in Eugene, Oregon. I fully
disagree with every single one of Field's remarks. There has been no
contact, and no interest in of our local bands from ANY of the
national radio stations. There is no interest in local events,
concerts, news etc from corporate radio and there is a reason for
this...Why would they care about anything other than money from
advertising? One case in point, local bands here like the Courtesy
Clerks, the Hunches, the Rock and Roll Soldiers, and the Pass Out
Kings received coverage in Rolling Stone, and Mojo Magazine...and not
a single call, play, or tip of the hat from major radio. These bands
blow our local listeners away!

I would like to ask David if he has heard of bands like the Faint
(Omaha, Neb.) or the High Violets (Portland, Or.). I would bet that he
has not heard of these wonderful bands, because his station is only
interested in promoting corporate artists that sell corporate products
like Britney Spears (Pepsi). When Pepsi can promote the artist on a
radio station with not only paid advertising, but by promotion of the
artist itself, there is no interest in talent, promotion of local
artists or anything else.

The station I work for (KWVA Eugene 88.1 FM) plays independent bands
that are not played at the stations that are owned en masse. Many
towns and cities quite unfortunately do not have the opportunities to
listen to either local music, or other independent artists because the
stations have all been bought out by these corporate giants. This is
scary.

How will a small town with one radio station owned by one of these
corporate giants know when a local disaster is hitting...if the radio
station transmits from hundreds of miles away? The answer is...they
will not. Our station has djs on the air 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week. People can call us, communicate with us...and let us know what
is going on. We announce this information. Corporate radio does not
offer this freedom of information, organization, or promotion...unless
the dollar is involved.

Clear Channel and Cumulus...among others...must be stopped from buying
all of the airwaves for their advertising, and control of information!

Autumn DePoe KWVA Radio 88.1 FM Eugene

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d.k. wyatt - 03:31pm May 27, 2003 EDT (#6 of 14)

I am going back to college for broadcasting and I hope to work at a
college station because commercial radio is nothing more than a meat
market. Clear Channel and other companies that own multi-stations care
about the stock holders and not the mass audience. Keep up the good
work NPR.

<Therefore, the adage is even truer now than before. It's not up to the TV studios to put on "specialized" TV, it's up to the viewers to gravitate towards them. I can guarantee you that if the National Geographic TV show garnered 80% of the viewing audience in its time slot, you'd instantly see 50 knock-offs of the same type within months, if not weeks.>

This is what I propose:

"TV and radio should be independent of Big Business and the State. (This is due to two reasons: culturally, because the ratings make bad programs become "good"... for business; and, politically, because whoever has power over the media... will be in power; however, people should be able to watch anything on video and cable; the BBC offers us and example of an independent media.) The "Free Press" should be democratized, so that, among other things, the censorship of the opinions of the public is eradicated. [Pravda would be a positive example here.]"

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 12:18 AM

DQ,

I personally HATE American TV. Of course, I don't watch it either, go figure. I only listen to radio stations that carry Jazz without commercials. As you yourself pointed out,

"Queen Autumn - 03:28pm May 27, 2003 EDT (#5 of 14)

I am a dj at an independent radio station in Eugene, Oregon. I fully
disagree with every single one of Field's remarks. There has been no
contact, and no interest in of our local bands from ANY of the
national radio stations. There is no interest in local events,
concerts, news etc from corporate radio and there is a reason for
this...Why would they care about anything other than money from
advertising?"

But the ol' adage is still as alive as ever.

Let's take a hypothetical to ease you into it.

Let's say I am TV Station KRAP-TV, from Los Angeles. I am an independent station and I want to play the niche market. I want the intellectuals to watch my shows. Only the smartest of the smart will do.

So I program foreign movies, international news broadcasts, local events (but only at the university or think-tank level), and deep documentaries that make the people think about a subject.

What's the percentage of viewers I will receive? 1%?? 0.1%??, less??

Probably less. So who pays my bills? I need cameras, film equipment, studios, presenters, people behind the cameras, secretaries, people to answer the phone, etc. A ton of people.

I need to pay all this with MONEY. Where do I get the money???? You have already answered that question:

"Why would they care about anything other than money from
advertising?" You said it, and it is entirely true. ADVERTISERS make the TV world go around (yeah, okay you've got PBS, which has 1/100th of the market and most of the shows are too boring, at least for me.).

They will NOT waste their money on dumb shows that target an audience that is so picky about their purchases that they provide for less than 0.001% of all sales!!!

Advertisers AREN'T DUMB. They know where the market is, and how to reach it. If they don't, they're history and the one who replaces them DOES know.

It's human nature - in every country, no exceptions.
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Posted 25 July 2003 - 12:45 AM

<I personally HATE American TV. Of course, I don't watch it either, go figure. I only listen to radio stations that carry Jazz without commercials. As you yourself pointed out, >

Commercial radio and television are beyond bad taste. Every couple of minutes they go off with strident commercials. Even cable sucks. They started non commercial, and now the dinosaur you are most likely to see on Animal Planet is an SUV!

<So I program foreign movies, international news broadcasts, local events (but only at the university or think-tank level), and deep documentaries that make the people think about a subject.

What's the percentage of viewers I will receive? 1%?? 0.1%??, less??>

Non commercial high-quality BBC commands a large chunk of the British audience. "Fun" American TV is even looked down upon. Likewise the Brazilians got very high quality soap operas that constrast with the most stupid ones made elsewhere in Latin America.

I don't believe quality TV has to be boring.;)

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 12:48 AM

DQ,

Again, you're proving my point. In Britain they watch something else. Why??? Cause they're Brits, not Americans. In Brazil they watch something not common in other Latin American countries, why?? Cause they're Brazilian.

Every country panders to its own 100% of the time - no exceptions.
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Posted 25 July 2003 - 12:50 AM

<The First All Female Putin Fan Club, straight from New Orleans, LA.>

Hey, how about us?;)

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 01:07 AM

DQ,

That's debasing. I never meant anything like that. I was quite serious. I understand the attraction that Mr. Putin holds, and from a strictly male perspective I am jealous.

But obviously he is one of the smartest men on the planet today. If Elizabeth wants to join a club, I suggest she start one. Others will find out and help her out.

I was sincere in wanting to help, not debasive or abusive.
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Posted 25 July 2003 - 01:57 AM

Human,

You're starting to sound like Giscard D'Estaing. Why do YOU think Turkey should be kicked out of NATO??
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Posted 25 July 2003 - 02:12 AM

Hey, Sikle,

Calm down, dude. I never once CONDEMNED this country. I love this country.

I had the opportunity to become a citizen of another country, twice. I REFUSED!!! Understand, they said, "Become our citizen," and I said, "I'm American. I was born American and I WILL die American. If that means today for what I represent, SO BE IT. Understand???"

BUT I HAVE A MIND. I DO NOT listen to ONE point of view and make up my mind. I REFUSE.

I want to hear ALL points of view. If that makes me a bad guy in YOUR point of view, I don't care. I'm American and I will die American, with or without your permission.
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Posted 25 July 2003 - 02:18 AM

Human,

Agreed. And if you had listened to Giscard D'Estaing, you would know what I was talking about. He was quoting history.

Try French.
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Posted 25 July 2003 - 02:25 AM

Look, sikle,

I don't know who you're reading, or listening to, or anything. I don't have a problem with 100 conservative channels. In fact, in my mind, that's what exists.

I don't have a problem with 100 channels of liberalism. It appears that that's probably the case as well. the more voices the merrier. I would accept a million different voices talking about all the different possibilities of a given situation.

But I DO NOT subscribe to any ONE ideology.
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