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#5601 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 17 February 2006 - 04:14 PM

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Posted 17 February 2006 - 04:25 PM

Medal Count
Country Total
Norway 1 6 6 13
Germany 5 4 2 11
Russia 5 2 4 11
United States 6 3 1 10
Canada 1 3 5 9
Austria 3 2 1 6
China 1 2 3 6
Switzerland 2 2 1 5
Italy 2 0 3 5
Finland 0 2 3 5
Sweden 2 1 1 4
France 2 0 2 4
Country Total
Netherlands 1 2 1 4
Estonia 3 0 0 3
South Korea 1 1 1 3
Czech Republic 0 2 0 2
Australia 1 0 0 1
Slovakia 0 1 0 1
Croatia 0 1 0 1
United Kingdom 0 1 0 1
Bulgaria 0 1 0 1
Ukraine 0 0 1 1
Latvia 0 0 1 1
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Posted 17 February 2006 - 08:34 PM

rick++ wrote:
> Thse who vote rule.
> Traditonally those under 40 vote the least.
> However there is some sign the most recent college
> students are getting more interested in current affairs
> than then immediate elders. Long wars have a way
> of perking interest in potential soldiers ...


You know, I always thought it was mighty unfair that an IGNORANT GERONTOCRACY decided the fate the world. Well, that's exactly how we came to this mess...

It was a combination of big money, a few radio stations, a "miracle child," and a bunch of decrepit idiots, who don't speak the language that decided things in 2000, and again in 2004. AN ANECDOTE: This old Cuban lady, who often visited Cuba to see her folks AND bring money to the regime in process, decided to vote for Bush in 2004 "because he had a 'hardline policy' (?) toward Castro"... Well, she kicked the bucket 15 days later leaving us with a gift, a gift of death...

"One effective way to protest is with bananas, symbolic of the sort of republic the odious Republicans have conspired for us to become. Of all the weapons the people can use against illegitimate authority, there is none that surpasses ridicule."
(http://www.bananabus....com/bkgrnd.htm)

"Older Cubans, like those who gather daily at Little Havana's emblematic Maximo Gomez Park, tend to remain loyal to the Republican Party for its hard line on Cuban President Fidel Castro's Communist government." [But I'd put the blame on the wholesale manipulation of elderly Cuban-American voters by well-financed radio campaigns centered around the word "communism".] (http://sify.com/news...php?id=13589104)

Note: I define "communist" as a MONOPOLISTIC LION--and that includes the hardcore banana Republic-ans.

THE BANANA REVOLUTION
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Posted 17 February 2006 - 10:54 PM

The public vote did not determine the govt of the US in 2000 or 2004.

The people will vote in the main for the two main parties regardless of whether they are retired or not. This is the same around the world. The two party race is what stops anything from changing in any serious or meaningful way and to blame the elderly is just nazism with a bent towards euthensia.

I dont know what has got into you DonQ. Have you been eating the banana skins loaded with arsnic or what? You have been away from me and Woj for too long.

Voters dont determine the war on Iraq or what they are doing to Iran. Voters choke on the propaganda the media makes money from.

The people who take time on forums seem to be the older set that are heading for retirement and they will take their questioning of the systems with them into retirement, the younger people dont care because credit comes easy and they are too busy having or trying to have a good time and you want to back them?
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Bader
The public vote did not determine the govt of the US in 2000 or 2004.

The people will vote in the main for the two main parties regardless of whether they are retired or not. This is the same around the world. The two party race is what stops anything from changing in any serious or meaningful way and to blame the elderly is just nazism with a bent towards euthensia.

I dont know what has got into you DonQ. Have you been eating the banana skins loaded with arsnic or what? You have been away from me and Woj for too long.

Voters dont determine the war on Iraq or what they are doing to Iran. Voters choke on the propaganda the media makes money from.

The people who take time on forums seem to be the older set that are heading for retirement and they will take their questioning of the systems with them into retirement, the younger people dont care because credit comes easy and they are too busy having or trying to have a good time and you want to back them?



Hi Bader
I knot what you say, but the old went along with the farse more than the young, and the young if presented with a real choice they would vote to change the world.

Of course, we got to make it interesting and fun and that where the Banana Revolution kicks in. Anytime we may present a candidate with the same program that heads this thread.

The question may look like this...

BANANA SURVEY
In preparation for the VICTORY PARTY, we are doing the following survey so nothing's missing:

Do you like "Chiquita Banana" or "Grande Banana"? :devil:
__ I like Chiquita Banana (Banana Republic)
__ I like Grande Banana (Banana Revolution)

The answer is obvious, but HAVING OPTIONS is at the core of our solution...
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 09:06 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by donquijote
[B]What you say is reasonable, but the elder may frustrate any effort to change the world by ballot.

And just look at what this other gerontocracy is doing...




[QUOTE]
It reminds me Phillips Morris company in Czech Republic where they apply your philosophy in advertisement their cigarettes as a useful material for reduction old people and greatness Phillips Morris products in saving money spend on old and rich and less productive. Fortunately Czech Government wasn
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 09:32 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by donquijote


I knot what you say, but the old went along with the farse more than the young, and the young if presented with a real choice they would vote to change the world.


The answer is obvious, but HAVING OPTIONS is at the core of our solution...


/QUOTE]

Hitler would say
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 10:32 PM

Slavs travel in time and space
Actually were two disasters non Slavic land; The Mongol invasion on Russian and Polish land and something what brought much dangerous repercussion for more then thousand years.
Competition of two churches for power in Slavic areas.
Some dates which influenced fate of Slavs;
330 Capitol of Roman Empire transferred to Constantinople
Creation of Cyrillic alphabet in Easter Europe Bulgarians and Serbs and Russians start use Cyrillic,
966 Poland accept Christianity starts use Latin alphabet
1054 schism between Greek and Latin Christians churches begins
1204 fourth Crusade frank conquest Byzantium.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 09:13 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by donquijote


I knot what you say, but the old went along with the farse more than the young, and the young if presented with a real choice they would vote to change the world.


The answer is obvious, but HAVING OPTIONS is at the core of our solution...


/QUOTE]

Hitler would say
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#5610 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 12:22 AM

Hitler was stupid and responsible for starting war and fortunately for the world, for losing war, but what military skills one could one expect from secondary painter..?
.On the other hand , de facto, the Slavs had more Aryan influence being in India than anybody else on world, but Hitler couldn
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 02:25 PM

Medal Count
Country Total
Germany 8 7 4 19
Norway 2 7 8 17
United States 7 5 3 15
Austria 7 5 3 15
Russia 7 3 5 15
Canada 3 6 5 14
Switzerland 2 2 4 8
South Korea 3 3 1 7
France 3 1 3 7
Italy 3 0 4 7
Sweden 2 2 3 7
China 1 2 4 7
Country Total
Netherlands 2 2 2 6
Finland 0 3 3 6
Estonia 3 0 0 3
Croatia 1 2 0 3
Czech Republic 0 2 0 2
http://sports.yahoo....rino2006/medals
Ukraine 0 0 2 2
Australia 1 0 0 1
Slovakia 0 1 0 1
United Kingdom 0 1 0 1
Bulgaria 0 1 0 1
Latvia 0 0 1 1
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 02:47 PM

History of Slavs ;

West helps to kill an eastern Empire when rejected to help the Eastern Christianity raced to extinction from Islam flood in Europe.
In 1389 in result of Battle of Kosovo, Ottomans gain control of Balkans

In 1453 Ottoman Turks capture of Constantinople what ended Byzantine
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 06:56 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
[B]History of Slavs ;

West helps to kill an eastern Empire when rejected to help the Eastern Christianity raced to extinction from Islam flood in Europe.
In 1389 in result of Battle of Kosovo, Ottomans gain control of Balkans

In 1453 Ottoman Turks capture of Constantinople what ended Byzantine
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 08:28 PM

Research regarding Slavs past , was conducted by the Polish duke Jan Potocki (1761- 1815).
He was members of St Petersburg Academy of Science in 1806. His research was included in 7 Resecherches sur la Sarmatia t 1-5 1789- and 1772 and Histoire primitive.
Some pieces of his collection, between them ,the huge stone monument of Swarozyc was recovered from Zbrucz river and presented in Cracow in Museum of Archeology of Jagiellonian University..
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 08:42 PM

I think, that Clinton is rather
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Posted 22 February 2006 - 07:45 AM

[quote]and only
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Posted 22 February 2006 - 07:55 AM

For many years Church also put gasoline in fire between Poland and Russia

Now now-did the Church partition Poland and murdered its citizens or Russia ?
Did Russian troops mass murder 20.000 Polish citizens in Warsaw or Church ?

There is no need for anybody to put fire between Poland and Russia. Russia does it on its own quite well.
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Posted 22 February 2006 - 02:55 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Torquez

Now now-did the Church partition Poland and murdered its citizens or Russia ?
Did Russian troops mass murder 20.000 Polish citizens in Warsaw or Church ?

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Partition of Poland was carry out by three countries , not only by Russia but also by Germany and also by Austria the catholic country which we Poland in the past help to survive during Turkish invasion; this Polish help it was the big Polish mistake in ma opinion.
Killing in Warszawa was completed by Hitler and Germans, when Russians didn
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Posted 22 February 2006 - 03:14 PM

Country Total
Germany 9 8 5 22
United States 7 7 4 18
Norway 2 8 8 18
Austria 8 5 4 17
Russia 7 3 6 16
Canada 4 6 5 15
Switzerland 3 3 4 10
Italy 4 0 5 9
Sweden 3 2 4 9
France 3 2 3 8
South Korea 3 3 1 7
China 1 2 4 7
Country Total
Netherlands 2 2 2 6
Finland 0 3 3 6
Estonia 3 0 0 3
Croatia 1 2 0 3
Czech Republic 0 2 0 2
Ukraine 0 0 2 2
Australia 1 0 0 1
Slovakia 0 1 0 1
United Kingdom 0 1 0 1
Bulgaria 0 1 0 1
Latvia 0 0 1 1
http://sports.yahoo....rino2006/medals Torque ; Questioning the facts doesn
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Posted 22 February 2006 - 04:29 PM

I'm glad you guys give priority to the environment. Well many people do, particularly the young, I'm sure. Here's an interesting view of the problem...

(There's three people here: One who doesn't care, one who denies the problem, and I answer below)

DTJ wrote:
> >Nope. I'm nearly 70 years old. I won't live 20 more years. I purposely live
> >on high ground in a rural setting. Global warming will not effect me. Like I
> >said, if you choose to live on a low island or a terrorist target YMMV.

> There is no such thing as global warming. It is pseudo science, made
> up by a very few morons, who want to pretend to be scientists. There
> are zero reputable scientists who would even begin to agree with the
> impossibly stupid theory that global warming exists, or could even
> harm the environment.


> So no, it can't hurt you any more than the boogey man.



If you want to contradict scientific data, do some common sense
experiment: Shot the gate of a garage and turn on the ignition of a car
with you inside. Then report back to me... ;)

Well, both the garage and the Earth's atmosphere are CLOSED SYSTEMS,
which means that once you pollute it, it won't go anywhere. True, the
atmosphere is much bigger, but so is the amount of cars and Stupid
Unnecessary Vehicles spewing gases.

As for the Cowboy Economy, here it is...

The closed earth of the future requires economic principles which are
somewhat different from those of the open earth of the past. For the
sake of picturesqueness, I am tempted to call the open economy the
"cowboy economy," the cowboy being symbolic of the illimitable plains
and also associated with RECKLESS, EXPLOITATIVE, ROMANTIC, AND VIOLENT
BEHAVIOR, which is characteristic of open societies. Tile closed
economy of the future might similarly be called the "spaceman" economy,
in which the earth has become a single spaceship, without unlimited
reservoirs of anything, either for extraction or for pollution, and in
which, therefore, man must find his place in a cyclical ecological
system which is capable of continuous reproduction of material form
even though it cannot escape having inputs of energy. The difference
between the two types of economy becomes most apparent in the attitude
towards consumption. In the cowboy economy, consumption is regarded as
a good thing and production likewise; and the success of the economy is
measured by the amount of tile throughput from the "factors of
production," a part of which, at any rate, is extracted from the
reservoirs of raw materials and noneconomic objects, and another part
of which is output into the reservoirs of pollution. If there are
infinite reservoirs from which material can be obtained and into which
effluvia can be deposited, then the throughput is at least a plausible
measure of the success of the economy. The gross national product is a
rough measure of this total throughput. It should be possible, however,
to distinguish that part of the GNP which is derived from exhaustible
and that which is derived from reproducible resources, as well as that
part of consumption which represents effluvia and that which represents
input into the productive system again. Nobody, as far as I know, has
ever attempted to break down the GNP in this way, although it Would be
an interesting and extremely important exercise, which is unfortunately
beyond the scope of this paper.

By contrast, in the spaceman economy, throughput is by no means a
desideratum, and is indeed to be regarded as something to be minimized
rather than maximized. The essential measure of the success of the
economy is not production and consumption at all, but the nature,
extent, quality, and complexity of the total capital stock, including
in this the state of the human bodies and minds included in the system.
In the spaceman economy, what we are primarily concerned with is stock
maintenance, and any technological change which results in the
maintenance of a given total stock with a lessened throughput (that is,
less production and consumption) is clearly a gain. This idea that both
production and consumption are bad things rather than good things is
very strange to economists, who have been obsessed with tile
income-flow concepts to the exclusion, almost, of capital-stock
concepts.

(...)

It may be said, of course, why worry about all this when the spaceman
economy is still a good way off (at least beyond the lifetimes of any
now living), so let us eat, drink, spend, extract and pollute, and be
as merry as we can, and let posterity worry about the spaceship earth.
It is always a little hard to find a convincing answer to the man who
says, "What has posterity ever done for me?" and the conservationist
has always had to fall back on rather vague ethical principles
postulating identity of the individual with some human community or
society which extends not only back into the past but forward into the
future. Unless the individual identifies with some community of this
kind, conservation is obviously "irrational." Why should we not
maximize the welfare of this generation at the cost of posterity?
"Apr?s nous, le d?luge" has been the motto of not insignificant
numbers of human societies. The only answer to this, as far as I can
see, is to point out that the welfare of the individual depends on the
extent to which he can identify himself with others, and that the most
satisfactory individual identity is that which identifies not only with
a community in space but also with a community extending over time from
the past into the future. If this kind of identity is recognized as
desirable, then posterity has a voice, even if it does not have a vote;
and in a sense, if its voice can influence votes, it has votes too.
This whole problem is linked tip with the much larger one of the
determinants of the morale, legitimacy, and "nerve" of a society, and
there is a great deal of historical evidence to suggest that a society
which loses its identity with posterity and which loses its positive
image of the future loses also its capacity to deal with present
problems, and soon falls apart. AMEN...

(The AMEN is mine) ;)

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