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#561 The Beat

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 02:34 AM

Hey, all right

I moved. Halleluyah

I was getting tired of the Los Angeles smog anyway.

Oh, BTW, can I have my current address?? I will need to get home tonight. And........................ how do you suggest I go to work tomorrow in ......................... San Clemente, California???


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Posted 25 July 2003 - 02:55 AM

Help! I'm lost in the channels
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Posted 25 July 2003 - 03:01 AM

Wait a minute,

And do I sound like I'm in France, "And if that French De-Gaullist politician has mentioned this fact the way I did, then he is also telling a factual historical truth...."

or is that Oregon??"Which explains why you live in Oregon.."

I'm confused.
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Posted 25 July 2003 - 03:10 AM

Ellizabeth,

And a good night to you too. It's not that hard. You can do it easily.

Just use you Hanky-panky ingenuity - and I mean that. We Americans can accomplish a lot, individually, or collectively. Trust your instincts, it works.

You can do it. You know, I have seen various levels of "feminine liberation" throughout the world, and hands down, the American women have advanced the idea past everyone else. I say, "Bravo!!" If that is part of being American, I'm sorry that I take advantage but, I'm proud to be American.
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Posted 25 July 2003 - 04:09 AM

Doin' what I can, even if that sounds trite.
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Posted 25 July 2003 - 06:49 AM

What they Putin to Russian is what they will get out of it!

Hello Eliz.
Sorry I have no knowledge of any Putin fan club site.
I thought of the R Fed as well, if they have a site, I expected they would, would be a place you could provide feedback or advice in the first place on what you would want to see.
I have no background information on Putin, like his upbringing etc,
if you can cut and paste give us a slice.
Don't worry about trying to get a post off immediately, the pages on this thread roll in like waves on the beach.
One of the reasons Putin stands out, even without saying anything, is because of the obvious contrast with his predecessors (image), the disastrous careers of Blair and Bush and the faces on a crowded bus that the European leaders
have become since they surrendered their sovereignty to a
club alternative to a Soviet Union.
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Posted 25 July 2003 - 06:04 PM

<The Libs are mad because the media that was PRO Liberal agenda for all these years is now suddenly turning somewhat Conservative.. And when I say turning I mean in a minute minority.. And you ****ing *******s won't even allow us that.. What happened to free ****ing speech?? Now that a few stations have a conservative slant, you can't stand it???>

American radio and television sucks...

While we all know the absolute power of dictatorships over the media,
some don't know (or pretend to ignore) how much it's manupulated by
commercial interests under the banner of 'freedom of the press'... For
example, I know of more than one war that has become an 'sporting
event,' where the only winner's Big Business...

EARLY HISTORY OF THE BBC

John Reith, the BBC's founding father, looked westwards in the 1920s
to America's unregulated, commercial radio, and then east to the
fledgling Soviet Union's rigidly controlled state system.

Reith's vision was of an independent British broadcaster able to
educate, inform and entertain the whole nation, free from political
interference and commercial pressure.

The innovation of a Post Office licence fee of ten shillings (50
pence), of which half went to the BBC, ensured that the BBC was not
financially dependent on the Government of the day nor on advertising
revenue.

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 06:13 PM

<Again, you're proving my point. In Britain they watch something else. Why??? Cause they're Brits, not Americans. In Brazil they watch something not common in other Latin American countries, why?? Cause they're Brazilian.>

Aloha Beat
What's wrong at the heart of the American media is what moves it: the ratings...

<Every country panders to its own 100% of the time - no exceptions.>

American radio and television got nothing to do with real American culture: Where's the blues, where's jazz, where are the local bands? They simply play the same thing over and over.

Not to mention world culture. The other day I was watching on BBC some travels through the Middle East. You never ever get to to see though something like that on these shores. And they are badly needed...

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 06:20 PM

<And why does the Liberal vioce (ala NPR) have to be funded?? Becasue it wouldn't survive w/o being funded.. Thank God..>

Because it's the only only one promoting real *American culture* and because you waste the money in so many ways...

Is it right that America spends big money ($428 million) on
convincing the world that 'America is #1,' while the public radio
stations go begging for money?

International Broadcasting Operations (IBO) and Broadcasting to Cuba:

The FY 2002 request of $428.2 million for International Broadcasting
Operations will provide funding to continue U.S. Government
non-military international broadcasting operations consolidated by the
International Broadcasting Act of 1994. These operations are under the
auspices of the independent Broadcasting Board of Governors and
include the International Broadcasting Bureau (IBB), the Voice of
America (VOA), Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL), and Radio
Free Asia (RFA).

The IBO request will enable IBB, RFE/RL, and RFA to continue base
level operations, including salary and inflation increases. The
request includes an additional $5 million to enhance VOA broadcasting
to the Middle East, with a focus on diversifying both programming and
transmission media.

Broadcasting to Cuba:

The FY 2002 request of $24.9 million funds base level operations for
both Radio Marti and TV Marti, including salary and inflation
increases. The request includes full funding to support OCB
transmission requirements in FY 2002.

Source: http://www.state.gov....cfm?docid=2105

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 10:55 PM

DQ,

You're missing the most essential part. For any TV or radio station to exist it needs funding. Pure and simple, it has to make a buck.

How does it do that???

Through advertising dollars, that's how. Now what are these advertisers willing to spend their money on??

Let's see TV station 1 is showing a very intelligent documentary on Tibet. TV station 2 is showing I Love Lucy reruns.

I'm a travel agency and I want to spend some dollars on advertising my company. Which station do I choose. It's obvious right??

Okay, I'm a big, retail chain that sells a lot of merchandise, especially to the older generation. Where do I spend my advertising dollars?? Again, it's obvious!! It's always obvious where they will spend their money.

Of these two companies, which one has more advertising dollars to spend?? This, too, is obvious. Look around you. What are the big companies with a lot of dollars to spend, and which programs will give them the biggest advertising bang for the buck?? It's obvious.

They ALWAYS pander to their customers. If their customers want to see Tibetan scenery, they'll advertise there. If they want to see reruns of I Love Lucy, that's where the dollars will go.

This is Marketing 101, so take notes. You do not become CEO of a company by wasting the company's funds. You do it through shrewd marketing practices. That's why the ratings exist, that's why TV and radio suck here in the US, and will continue to suck as long as people prefer trash over substance. No Marketing Director worth his salt would EVER try to buck the trend.
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Posted 26 July 2003 - 07:48 AM

dear don
your articles are really excellent we dont come through such intellectual articles now a days.............for russia to be great , i must point out it must look upon the false criticism about its health care system ....fr a country to b great it ll have to b great to its people and citizens health should be looked upon...............however in this context i should like to add (though this comment of mine may seem to b contaradictory and paradocical to many ) .......the medical services may not have its glamor as it has in the developed capitalist(read as "money monger") countries ...but the systems r effective and worth the money spent. i am myself a medical student in this fine country(i m an indian by birth..)..but when i go through british and american(half educated) websites i get reports wich reads russia has the worst health care possible .......however when i face the real situation i dont understand why r these western n american media people are so much eager to ruin the reputation of russia? i had severe health problems when i came to russia the western doctors in india took a lot of money fr me yet failed to cure me.......i spent about 2000$ in the whole process ......however the physian in st petersburg cured me almost free......and after all these when i go through such articles in the US websites that russian health care is 50 yrs back and so on i feel shocked ...............i want to know from you whats the real situation of the country's health care and medical education ......your articles prove u have studied alot about international issues so i consider u to b the right person to comment ..........is it that bad which the western media projects .........or this criticism is a result of the dirty politics to which the american hullygans r used to?.......all i wanna say is ..RUSSIA should look upon the false criticisms which western media often does to malign its reputation ...................................i would like to add in this context THE GREATEST JOKE OF THIS MILLENIUM ..........."ONCE UPON A TIME THERE LIVED A GENTLEMAN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" :D
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Posted 26 July 2003 - 07:00 PM

<Vladimir Putin, I hope this worked, Most of you who love Russia and President Vladimir Putin probably know this site, but I wanted to share it. You can write to the President, of course I never get an answer, been writing him everyday for months, But thats ok, I know he's out there in the world making things better, and somehow he knows I'm in here sending my love and devotion. Plus the people on the board are amazing. Beat and Don, I would love to see you there.http://www.geocities...ent/5160/Putin/>

Hi Elizabeth
The picture was awesome. Here's another one. I'm not sure though it's real...;)

http://images.google...=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

OK, this other one is probably better...:D

http://images.google...=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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Posted 26 July 2003 - 07:01 PM

Thanks, I enjoyed the Larry King interview :)
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Posted 26 July 2003 - 10:13 PM

Thanks Elizabeth,
for the R Fed site address.
while I haven't checked out the depth of the site, it is rather
supericial initially and I guess all the other gov ones are
likewise.
Interesting overview of Putin's career. The steps outlined reading them like bricks in a wall appear a pretty sound wall.
Foreign policy, public policy and security policy. (not groomed to
serve market forces like Bush and co)
I suspect he has been groomed along with many others whom he
has now left behind
I noted there was no mention of being head of KGB but he held
a post-KGB position of importance it would appear.
Sorry, I find his wife far more attractive.
And it is good she has interests in the culture side.
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Posted 27 July 2003 - 03:49 AM

You guys are missing pravda!!! they will be a real contender with BBC for the best free press when a tv station is set up.

Don, i was thinking education through schools which are compulsory for all to attend irregardless of status and background. i guess this is one the way but hey, do i sound like a lion here?

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 05:11 PM

<You guys are missing pravda!!! they will be a real contender with BBC for the best free press when a tv station is set up.

Don, i was thinking education through schools which are compulsory for all to attend irregardless of status and background. i guess this is one the way but hey, do i sound like a lion here?>

Howdy Marquis
Right, now it's included. But it wouldn't be a contender per se because they work in different areas. A newspaper can say whatever it wants, it can private or owned by the workers, but it must have room for the readers comments, such as Pravda does. Not even BBC does it!

Kudos to Pravda!

I created a poll out of it...

http://engforum.prav...&threadid=27477
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Posted 27 July 2003 - 05:38 PM

<You guys are missing pravda!!! they will be a real contender with BBC for the best free press when a tv station is set up.

Don, i was thinking education through schools which are compulsory for all to attend irregardless of status and background. i guess this is one the way but hey, do i sound like a lion here?>

Howdy Marquis
Right, now it's included. But it wouldn't be a contender per se because they work in different areas. A newspaper can say whatever it wants, it can private or owned by the workers, but it must have room for the readers comments, such as Pravda does. Not even BBC does it!

Kudos to Pravda!

I created a poll out of it...

http://engforum.prav...&threadid=27477
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Posted 27 July 2003 - 05:51 PM

<your articles are really excellent we dont come through such intellectual articles now a days.............for russia to be great , i must point out it must look upon the false criticism about its health care system ....>

Hi Sourabh
Thanks, and we must also thank the other posters too, who are real cool.;)

I recently posted an article about Kerala--in your own country India!--but I'm sure the West wouldn't want to praise it, not even critize it, because it may set a "bad example"...

http://www.theatlant...8sep/kerala.htm

Do you know anything about it?

For Russia to do the same is must *not* play be rules of the West. It must set as her first priorities Education and Health Care, not hardcore capitalism. How can you be better than the model?

China's privatization of health care took her to the 140th + place in that field, all the while she's enjoying a "economic success," at least by capitalist standards.:confused:

Look at what I posted a few day ago...

http://www.google.co...qdr=w&lr=&hl=en

<fr a country to b great it ll have to b great to its people and citizens health should be looked upon.>

True. Education and Health Care should be the main priorities.

<THE GREATEST JOKE OF THIS MILLENIUM ..........."ONCE UPON A TIME THERE LIVED A GENTLEMAN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" :D >

Pass me the joke...;)

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Posted 28 July 2003 - 09:41 AM

That was an interesting article on Kerala. Another example of good things coming from the bottem up, eh DonQ.

Howdy Sourabh,

You went right past why the "western" medical system is superior to the Russian ( and perhaps Scandanavian) when you said " the Western Dr took a lot of money from me" and didn't
solve your problem.
It made a profit, the primary objective, the St Petersburg one didn't, it just fixed your problem.
More seriously, it is a political issue that was once right across the western world a social issue. Social policy like health, education, social security, pensions only really came into force
in the nineteen forties after the Great Depression.
It became part of the "pump priming" economic policy
(Keynsian- demand side economics) of governments that restored western economies, boosted development and debt
through government spending increasing amounts into the money supply (economy).
When inflation and debt became too big they had a brainstorm
again and switched to free-market supply-side economic theory.
The big evil was suddenly government debt and government interferrence
and involvement in the economy/market which suddenly became
holly ground for the private sector only. ( see the tendency for boom to bust which is typical of the debt money system)
The right wing political parties rubbished everything that
had anything socialistic about it and pushed for the privatisation
of everything like health, transport systems, even prisons,
telephone, water, education - virtually everything except the army and government.
But it didn't come from the politicians it came from the IMF and World Bank etc. They wanted to wind down public debt and wind up private debt. (one is paid off through taxes, the other through prices and we still pay anyway) But the real reason was
that governments were pursuaded (there's a nice word) to
surrender assets and resourses in exchange for debt being written off and got a more direct influence on government policy
through their reserve banks ( thats what debt money systems are about). At the same time government "business" were sold off sometimes at firesale prices and since they were monopolies
they were a sweet number to the fortunate new owners. The real owners-taxpayers never had a say, didn't know the half of what was going on, thanks to the corporate interests who owne d the media since it was the corporates who were making the big gains. The World TRade Organisation is the carry on from that momentum over the last twenty years- corporations are now overshadowing government around the world.
In the so called free market revolution the private sector model
of efficiency and profit motive was adopted and imposed on all governemnt departments, such as health. The argument was that the bureaucratic public ( socialism) sector was totally inefficient, wasting money as the health system was struggling to afford to keep up with new technological and advanced systems.
The real reason was that the debt component of their budgets
was taking an increasing amount. There may well have been inefficiencies but they wanted to throw the baby out with the bathwater didn't they, so they bombarded the nations with their ideology propoganda through the political parties.
The government departments become run by CEOs, previously Cabinet Ministers (taxpayers paying a two tier system now-
much more expensive in the name of efficiency) so they were no longer accountable to the owners, the public, and then came the restructuring to become more efficient and provide more modern services- cost billions of dollars.
The result was the health systen was broken up into business units, bureacracy increased and staff like nurses decreased. The wages saved on reduced staff went not to new technology but
to the top end salaries and big bonuses. The "servant" spirit
of the nuses and Doctors who cared for the patient/output clashed with the coldblooded business ethic of a different output, which often meant the CEOs couldn't take the stress for more than 18 months and so they resigned and instead of buying out their contracts ( usually three years) they were paid great bonuses! Often the CEOs didn't come from a medical background, because they were to be business managers!
Because a sqare peg doesn't go into round hole the health systems was restructured on an average of a bout once every twelve months year after year and costing millions of dollars each time that should have gone on health services.
Reduced staff in the wards means less hygine, greater work loads on staff and doctors who were over worked to the point of being risk factor to the patients. Waiting lists developed and wards were closed to match staff and the service side of the budget. So some Doctors were able to start a private practice and lease the closed wards! I kid you not! Hospitals were closed
across the country, mainly the rural areas.
Probably the only thing that didn't change was the debt factor, that would have increased just the same and more so.
This how it went in New Zealand where the free-market policies were followed to the letter. Only Argentina may have
matched or gone further.
The private sector can never match the public sector on social services for the simple reason that they will only run what is profitable which means a lot of needs will never be met or so expensive only the well off would get in.
Truth and reality are not in issue, it's all about ideology and the politically correct ideology that rules is the free-market. The
last time it was in vogue, during the nineteen twenties it led to the great depression and world war because it destablises nations. The world is being destablised again, some call it perpetual revolution, or managed chaos as a pretext for world government.
I hope this has been a help.
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Posted 28 July 2003 - 10:00 AM

Interesting observations in your last message. I feel that this response is too feeble and unfocused, but maybe I will be able to elaborate later. This thread is to me somewhat removed from our current practicalities (which in any case are so depressing), but in any sort of better future I would see a kind of world government. I am not a very great believer in the natural goodness of the humankind (or even in the natural badness) - we would best exist within certain accepted and rational structures which most libertarians would undoubtedly reject, but I can't see liberty without community. It's just that I think that I see your causes as concequences, and in many respects current Western symptoms of the illness are actually less severe than what went before. It is true that the price might prove to be too high (and in any case many good benefits are accidental byproducts of unenlightened economic structures) and even this modest progress will end in collapse. But I still would see it as progress (being a progressive, of course, which is nowadays thought to be quite a dangerous mindset...)
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