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#6021 vladzo

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 09:43 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Don't the Russians know they're beaten?
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how should the russians know they have been "beaten". ?? what is "beaten" ????? was it not himmler or some other none cyrillic creature who has already claimed that russia was "beaten".

???? BEATEN at what ?????

it is america that has been beaten in iraq, and that is very important, that is an OIL WAR.

america can not afford to lose an oil war.

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 05:24 AM

Originally posted by vladzo
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to justin raimondo :::::::::::::::::::::::

how should the russians know they have been "beaten". ?? what is "beaten" ????? was it not himmler or some other none cyrillic creature who has already claimed that russia was "beaten".

???? BEATEN at what ?????

it is america that has been beaten in iraq, and that is very important, that is an OIL WAR.

america can not afford to lose an oil war.

vlad

B- Good question. Maybe it was in Germany - world soccer.
What makes you think they wanted to 'win' in Iraq? They dont want it to end. Endless state of war is a major strategy of the Zionists. Its a way of life for Israel.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 01:24 PM

Justin Raimondo is very positive figure.
His "mistakes" were useful for the case. Nobody lost on modesty and it also applies to the countries.
Last events proved that fact that Syria left Lebanon was big misstep on her part.
Fact that Israel attacked Lebanon is more favorable to Arabs only that Israel dont sees it yet. Mistification about self defence will be more dificult to maintain even with big media efforts.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 02:53 PM

Israel's battles against Hamas fighters in Gaza and Hezbollah militants in Lebanon-- are already forcing summit participants off their scripts.

Split Over Israel

Bush, while urging Israel not to weaken Lebanon's government, said yesterday that the Jewish state ``has a right to defend herself'' against attacks by terrorists. A Russian foreign ministry statement accused Israel of using ``disproportionate'' force against its enemies, and a similar condemnation was issued by the European Union.

Meanwhile, Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi will try to rally the leaders behind Tokyo's call for a strong response to North Korea's recent test of a nuclear-capable long- range missile. Japan has been at the forefront of a United Nations drive for stringent sanctions on Pyongyang, an effort that has encountered resistance from China and Russia.

On Iran, British Prime Minister Tony Blair is backing Bush in support of economic penalties meant to pressure Iran into giving up nuclear-weapons ambitions. Russia and China this week said they would consider economic and diplomatic sanctions, while resisting any threat of military action.

Russia, along with China, has resisted a U.S. call to threaten the two nations with penalties for not complying with UN demands.
Russia is helping Iran build an $800 million civilian nuclear reactor. . According to Ministry of Atomic Energy figures, Russia could earn $20 billion by importing 20,000 tons of spent fuel under the nuclear cooperation pact. http://www.bloomberg...sCfo&refer=home
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Posted 15 July 2006 - 08:03 AM

Which means that it has the right to stop the Palestinians getting a state as long as they elect Hamas to govern. So its delay and cheat Palestinians out of their own state.

The sooner the Palestininas have something worth saving from being destroyed the sooner they will think twice about sending rockets into Israel. As long as they have nothing to lose the same niggles will continue. So we know wehats going to happen, Israel will stop the situation from changing and appear innocent.
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Posted 15 July 2006 - 11:49 AM

A U.S. general overseeing the controversial prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, has been nominated for NATO's top military post, the Pentagon announced here Friday.http://news.xinhuane...35296.htm:baby:
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Posted 15 July 2006 - 03:02 PM

Pat Buchanan explained present Russia -US-attitude .
Why Putin's reversed to authoritarianism, and supports regimes in Belarus and Uzbekistan?Why is his closeness to Beijing, his sale of fighter jets to Hugo Chavez and anti-aircraft missiles to Tehran, his support for Iran's nuclear plant, his recognition of Hamas' election victory, his oil blackmail of Ukraine, his unplugging of Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty, and his crackdown on U.S. NGO's promoting democracy in Russia.
de facto
U.S. agents, under cover of Bush's "democracy crusade," defeat of pro-Russian governments in Kiev and Tbilisi. reorient their policies toward the EU, NATO and the United States.
They saw Americans colluding with former provinces of the Soviet Union to develop pipelines that would bypass not only Iranian territory, but also Russian territory.
They saw the U.S. bases in Central Asia they had approved for the Afghan war taking on a permanent character.
They listened as U.S. neoconservatives cheered for Chechen rebels and officials from Cheney to McCain bashed Putin and Russia, with some calling for her expulsion from the G-8.
Putin concluded, not incorrectly, that these Americans do not want partners, they want poodles.
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Posted 15 July 2006 - 08:47 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Pat Buchanan explained present Russia -US-attitude .
Why Putin's reversed to authoritarianism, and supports regimes in Belarus and Uzbekistan?Why is his closeness to Beijing, his sale of fighter jets to Hugo Chavez and anti-aircraft missiles to Tehran, his support for Iran's nuclear plant, his recognition of Hamas' election victory, his oil blackmail of Ukraine, his unplugging of Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty, and his crackdown on U.S. NGO's promoting democracy in Russia.
de facto
U.S. agents, under cover of Bush's "democracy crusade," defeat of pro-Russian governments in Kiev and Tbilisi. reorient their policies toward the EU, NATO and the United States.
They saw Americans colluding with former provinces of the Soviet Union to develop pipelines that would bypass not only Iranian territory, but also Russian territory.
They saw the U.S. bases in Central Asia they had approved for the Afghan war taking on a permanent character.
They listened as U.S. neoconservatives cheered for Chechen rebels and officials from Cheney to McCain bashed Putin and Russia, with some calling for her expulsion from the G-8.
Putin concluded, not incorrectly, that these Americans do not want partners, they want poodles.

B- The first point of conflict was the refusal to join the Bush phoney war on terrorism. ( although France and Germany did likewise not going into Iraq )
The next was Beslan strike of warning for not cooperating and that was the declaration of war on Russia. Most of the responses criticism Putin/Russia above happned because of that.

The Mumbai bombings may be India's (Beslan) call to 'sanity'- dont join the Shanghai group, do join the Washington group.
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 11:18 AM

Polish soldiers who are in Lebanon as a part UN ,
are very oddly order ed to return to Poland when Israel attacks Lebanon.
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 11:50 AM

Israeli pounded Lebanese infrastructure, targeting ports and radar stations in attacks that killed 17 people, including eight soldiers. The G-8 urged restraint and demanded Hezbollah and Hamas end shelling.
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Bader
B- The first point of conflict was the refusal to join the Bush phoney war on terrorism. ( although France and Germany did likewise not going into Iraq )
The next was Beslan strike of warning for not cooperating and that was the declaration of war on Russia. Most of the responses criticism Putin/Russia above happned because of that.

The Mumbai bombings may be India's (Beslan) call to 'sanity'- dont join the Shanghai group, do join the Washington group. /B]

With hands in a pocket
Calling for evacuation from Beirut means giving the permit to Israel to kill people of Lebanon .
Do you expect such as peoples act differently in Beslan where they could oil profit in this war?
"July 17 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar surged to the highest in almost three months against the yen and gained versus the euro on speculation increased violence in the Middle East will stoke demand for assets denominated in the U.S. currency."

Blood and human life recalculating for money .
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Posted 18 July 2006 - 12:12 PM

Israel Attack on Lebanon.
What important about North Korea and Iran is that they refuse to cooperate with the U.S.
After all, it is the US which threatening their survival as "the axis of evil," and by insisting on its right to pursue the doctrine of preemption and regime change.
By systematically destroying the infrastructure of Lebanon Israel further strengthen Hezbollah.
Israel does not understand that its enormous military advantage would be pretty much wiped out from its systematic destruction of Lebanon.
Afghanistan, Iraq, and Lebanon
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Posted 18 July 2006 - 04:07 PM

Foreign ministers of (EU) on Monday condemned the abduction of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah, but refrained from using the same language on Israel for its attacks in south Lebanon.

U.S. intervention on Israel's behalf against Syria and Iran
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Posted 19 July 2006 - 01:04 AM

well done Woj.

Its not hard to see that there is something far greater than a kidnapping of a soldier which isnt new, nor is swopping prisoners which they arent interested in.

What seems to be happening is excuses to build a consensus group, a posse, around the US not just so the rest of the world will stop hating them but I believe they are trying to set the grounds for a new League Of Nations with 'authority' to attack countries who defy the posse/vigilantes. Once a group of them, who are permanent members of the Security Council appear to be the world 'police' holding back the 'dark forces' the reforms of the Security Council, eg to drop the veto, can be made to look necessary and then Russia and China can be over-ruled by the US and NATO countries plus those under the same bankers.

Once they achieve this wrecking machine and a self-granted licence to kill they will use it to target members of the Shanghei group.

In the mean time a more hostile situation around Israel makes Bush look important and help his flagging unpopularity poll and help make the rediculous claims against Iran look more serious.
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Posted 19 July 2006 - 12:12 PM

Israel's rampage against a defenseless Lebanon
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 12:05 PM

I today have to agree with Serb when they see double standard in USA politics .
Nebojsa Malic brings events from Yugoslavs country.
In 1998, then-Yugoslavia was attacked by an Albanian terrorists , operating in the Serbian province of Kosovo as well as camps in Albania.
In response, Belgrade invaded Albania, the Yugoslav Air Force bombed Tirana, and its navy blockaded Durres or Vlore. Yugoslavia had a right to defend itself. ?
Oh,no.
NATO bombed and invaded Yugoslavia in support of Albanian terrorists, who wer declared "freedom fighters" and "victims of human rights abuses."
It was American, British, German, Turkish, and other satellite troops that occupied a portion of Yugoslav territory and turned it over to the terrorist KLA.
NATO even set up an "exclusion zone," where Yugoslav military and police were forbidden to go but KLA terrorists operated with impunity, launching attacks in the Presevo Valley.
Kostunica also appealed to the ideologues of democracy:
"If people stop believing in the rules of democracy, if they start thinking that a set of rules is applicable to one nation but not to others, if they feel betrayed by powerful institutions, and if the standards and norms of behavior for relations among individuals and nations alike are trampled upon, then people will lose faith. And where faith is lost, there can be no democracy."
One can't be sure whether Kostunica understands that "democracy" is just the word used to justify whatever the Empire does.

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 01:30 PM

We know what was purpose of
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 03:39 PM

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i must thank you for the many postings on this thread, you have found and written some very good comments.

however; i must ask you one question ??????????????????

? gde te znajshol 'nebojsa malic' ??????

is that as much of a name as 'rado lupey' ????

or is that as much of a name as "dragomr klcz" ?????

more later;
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 12:14 PM

Nebojsa Malic is a name of columnist on Antiwar. com.
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 12:36 PM

But contrary to press coverage in the United States, the actual timeline of events indicates that Israel attacked first and also committed the first acts of terrorism.
And Israel regularly dispenses "collective punishment"
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