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#6121 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 02:44 PM

B-" You have been called a idealist farmer. This is a realist talking here not an idealist. This is why the socialists wouldnt want you around, they are as ideologically driven as the libertarians.
Govts today are driven by the IMF and the IMF has trended towards reduced social policy, open borders, flexible labour markets ( reduced labour remuneration) favouring the international corporations, especially the financial ones. The labour leaders are as committed as big business. It will fulfill Lenin's dream of internationally centralised 'democracy'."

I still consider Lenin as a god and honest man, last thinking about money for himself.
He didn
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Posted 21 August 2006 - 03:37 PM

B"- capitalism and socialism end in monopoly by a few and thus make democracy impossible. Capiltalism is certainly about "opportunity" and the greatest opportunity is "monopoly".
You cant have elective democracy once every three or four years and say the people rule. Unless there is economic democracy, where people are free to make economic choices ( voting from their wallets for what they want) daily, the rest is just political party propaganda.
The further away from economic democracy you are the more the govt ( intervention) will expand the safety nets.
The struggle between the rich and poor is pure dialectic materialism by their common enemy- divide and rule Punch and Judy show. This is why financial monopoly and socialism are always 'strange bedfellows', because they are supposed to be opposites in everyones thinking.
Who ever controls the money system controls the govt. politics and economics"

Do you remember thieves from the Revolution?
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 04:41 AM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.

B"- capitalism and socialism end in monopoly by a few and thus make democracy impossible. Capiltalism is certainly about "opportunity" and the greatest opportunity is "monopoly".
You cant have elective democracy once every three or four years and say the people rule. Unless there is economic democracy, where people are free to make economic choices ( voting from their wallets for what they want) daily, the rest is just political party propaganda.
The further away from economic democracy you are the more the govt ( intervention) will expand the safety nets.
The struggle between the rich and poor is pure dialectic materialism by their common enemy- divide and rule Punch and Judy show. This is why financial monopoly and socialism are always 'strange bedfellows', because they are supposed to be opposites in everyones thinking.
Who ever controls the money system controls the govt. politics and economics"

Do you remember thieves from the Revolution?

B- Thieves from the revolution, steal power, humans integrity and nobility, and law and order. Last but not least the societies wealth. Like the shinning cockoo laying its eggs in the nests of other birds.
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 05:10 AM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.


Cyprus and Kurdish Territory.
Future of the world depends from Turkey. USA and Israel will never win war on Muslims without Turkish ground involvement. Turkish action or its lack, might be decisive force in the Muslim story.
Unfortunately Turkey has 2 things to lose and these the carrots perfectly well play against them ;
Cyprus and Kurdish territory.
When Turkey finally will go for oil to their heads might be too late.
Of course, it is one person opinion.

B- and a good opinion.

A third carrot is membership in the UE. But then it may prefer to be in the new Middle East Market if and when it eventualtes and they may aspire to be number two next to Israel, that's on the basis they succeed in crippling Iran.

I am waiting to see if Turkey gets to send troops into Lebanon, they have offered.

Turkey has an alliance with Israel and they have just appointed a new General to become Chief of Staff, he is pro-Israel, by the end of the month and I doubt this is a coincidence.
This alliance involves the Instanbul Cooperation Initiative which includes most of the Arab nation taking in Nth Africa ( except Lybia) as well and includes cooperastion with NATO, so the Zionists have outflanked Syria, Iran which would be why Russia has become involved in their defence systems.

You are right they are the key linch-pin.

They may have been promised oil in northern Iraq which the Kurds will have their eyes on. Kurds could play a critical roll, Iraq and Iran may do a deal with them.
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 05:20 AM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
B-" You have been called a idealist farmer. This is a realist talking here not an idealist. This is why the socialists wouldnt want you around, they are as ideologically driven as the libertarians.
Govts today are driven by the IMF and the IMF has trended towards reduced social policy, open borders, flexible labour markets ( reduced labour remuneration) favouring the international corporations, especially the financial ones. The labour leaders are as committed as big business. It will fulfill Lenin's dream of internationally centralised 'democracy'."

I still consider Lenin as a god and honest man, last thinking about money for himself.
He didn
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 05:33 PM

Lech Walesa ;. "I have given up my membership last year because Solidarity and I have gone separate ways," he told The Associated Press; Finito La comedija;;

B; I would preferred to be born filly rich , but I believe that society is better off when starting point in life is equal for all members..
I had occasion to read, my point of view was share by Vikings, where community got 50 % of heritance.
Rich English try to avoid children not to divide wealth, and law also generally offered majority assets to oldest offspring.
It also might be good approach for capital but it is questionable for society.
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 06:34 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.

"Lech Walesa ;. "I have given up my membership last year because Solidarity and I have gone separate ways," he told The Associated Press; Finito La comedija;;

B; I would preferred to be born filly rich , but I believe that society is better off when starting point in life is equal for all members..
I had occasion to read, my point of view was share by Vikings, where community got 50 % of heritance.
Rich English try to avoid children not to divide wealth, and law also generally offered majority assets to oldest offspring.
It also might be good approach for capital but it is questionable for society."

B- there is a big difference between sharing the spoils of raiding expeditions, especially when some of the men ( fathers/husbands) didnt come back, from breaking up companies and businesses, or selling them and other assets that mean something to the family name.
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Posted 24 August 2006 - 06:25 PM

Mona Mina, a Cairo physician, has almost nothing in common with , leader of Hezbollah, the Shiite Muslim group whose militia fought Israel in a monthlong war in Lebanon.

Now she's a big Hezbollah fan.

``I support Hezbollah because it liberated south Lebanon,'' view. ``OK, yes, years ago, Hezbollah liquidated some secular and leftist figures. But then they focused their efforts on fighting the Israelis. They have won our admiration.''

In the wave of pro-Hezbollah opinion flooding the Middle East,.
ering the Balance

Pro-Hezbollah advocates see it as altering the Middle East's balance to Israel's disadvantage.

``Hezbollah is doing things that no government does,'' ``Not only did it fight off Israel, but it provides relief to the people who suffered in the war..''

Christian who took part in Lebanese pro- democracy protests in the past, said he was comfortable with Hezbollah's abduction of two Israeli soldiers in July..

``Detaining the two soldiers was an adventure, but one I support,'' he said. ``Hezbollah doesn't scare me. Israel does.''

About 1,200 Lebanese were killed and 4,500 wounded in the conflict, Lebanese Interior Minister Ahmad Fatfat said on Aug. 16. Israeli government and police officials say 159 Israelis were killed and 2,015 injured.

Beirut director of the U.S. Agency said . Rebuilding will cost $3.5 billion and take years,

A pro-democracy advocates to rally for Hezbollah because it held off Israel.

``We should at least hold rallies on a daily basis in solidarity with the Lebanese resistance,''


' ``The attacks, killing and destruction taking place in Lebanon by Israeli forces are injustice in itself,'' This gives the Lebanese the right to defend themselves.'' He was responding to some Sunni clerical opinion in the Persian Gulf region that was critical of Hezbollah.

Egypt's largest Christian sect, also defended Hezbollah's actions. ``All Arabs must be proud of Hezbollah's gallantry,''
``Maybe when Lebanese begin to take stock and criticize Hezbollah, people elsewhere will also take a second look,'' : dwilliams41@bloomberg.net .
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Posted 24 August 2006 - 07:19 PM

For Hizbollah, the link between the campaign to force Syria to withdraw from Lebanon after the Hariri killing, the US and the recent war, is clear.

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 09:47 PM

to woj1 :::::::::::::::::::

some of my observations of the second litani war.

from a military point of view; i can see that hizbullah did make a real success out of the recent litani war. this is most interesting to all those who study current events.

even more interesting is the fact that the israeli military failed in their mission. this is despite the fact that they are better armed and equiped than any other military in the middle east.

i believe that hizbullah has been reorganized and retrained since the last litani war. while the israelis have become punkies.

in the first litani war; israel and the west were of a certain power and ability. today that has changed.

in the first litani war; hizbullah and all the middle east "arab-muslims" were of a certain power and organization. today that has changed.

the major media, here in north america, has been trying to hide these facts from the general public in the same way as the nazi propaganda tryed to hide the nearing end of their own power.

??? are we nearing the end of the western power ??????

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 06:38 AM

Do we know their real objectives, bombibg so many cities and communities all arond lebanon wasnt about disarming Hezbollah.

The US doesnt win any of its wars, so what?
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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:54 PM

Originally posted by vladzo
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??? are we nearing the end of the western power ??????

vlad


Lie is best maintained by violence.

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 03:47 PM

Originally posted by Bader
B]Do we know their real objectives, bombibg so many cities and communities all arond lebanon wasnt about disarming Hezbollah.

The US doesnt win any of its wars, so what? B]

Rather the
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Posted 27 August 2006 - 11:36 AM

Gaza Strip - Israeli aircraft fired two missiles early Sunday at an armored car belonging to the Reuters news agency, wounding five people.


The Israeli army said it did not realize the car's passengers were journalists and only attacked because the vehicle was driving in a suspicious manner near Israeli troops in the middle of a combat zone.

Two Hamas militants were killed in separate airstrikes.

The airstrike on the journalists' car came as Israeli soldiers backed by two dozen tanks, two bulldozers, helicopters and drone planes moved into an area just inside the Gaza.GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Israeli aircraft fired two missiles early Sunday at an armored car belonging to the Reuters news agency, wounding five people, including two cameramen.

Two Hamas militants were killed in separate airstrikes, officials said.

The airstrike on the journalists' car came as Israeli soldiers backed by two dozen tanks, two bulldozers, helicopters and drone planes moved into an area just inside the Gazahttp://www.yahoo.com/
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Posted 27 August 2006 - 12:01 PM

Lebanese President rejected the UN offer to deploy troops along his country's border with Syria.

Lahoud that the UN troops should be deployed where border conflicts flare up, but there are no disputes between Lebanon and Syria.http://www.xinhuanet...glish/index.htm
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Posted 27 August 2006 - 12:09 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
B]Lebanese President rejected the UN offer to deploy troops along his country's border with Syria.

Lahoud that the UN troops should be deployed where border conflicts flare up, but there are no disputes between Lebanon and Syria.http://www.xinhuanet...glish/index.htm B]


"The troops are not going in there to disarm (Hezbollah). Let's be clear on that," Annan told reporters after an extraordinary meeting of the European Union (EU) foreign ministers here.
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Posted 27 August 2006 - 12:33 PM

Hamas would lead any coming national coalition government.

because of its majority in the parliament,"

Iranian officials declared that the production of the heavy water plant has the ability to produce up to 16 tons of heavy water a year.

Heavy water produced by the plant has been used as a cooling fluid for a nuclear reactor nearby.

The West has accused Iran of trying to produce nuclear weapons under a civilian cover.
Is West position in Palestinian and Lebanon wars sustain Iran determination?
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Posted 27 August 2006 - 02:52 PM

ABOARD THE U.S. NAVY SUBMARINE TEXAS - The Navy debuted its newest nuclear-powered submarine Friday in an Atlantic Ocean swing off the Florida coast, the second in the latest fast-attack class It's much more effective than any ship I've been on before," said Capt. John Litherland, who has been on more than 50. "It's not the fastest, but the difference is that it's quiet even at its top speed." The Texas prepares to dock at the Naval Ordinance Test Unit at Cape Canaveral, Fla.,...It is 50 miles North of West Palm Beach? Property value will go down, down, down
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Posted 27 August 2006 - 03:07 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
"The troops are not going in there to disarm (Hezbollah). Let's be clear on that," Annan told reporters after an extraordinary meeting of the European Union (EU) foreign ministers here.



What is their mission then?
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Posted 27 August 2006 - 07:15 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Lebanese President rejected the UN offer to deploy troops along his country's border with Syria.

Lahoud that the UN troops should be deployed where border conflicts flare up, but there are no disputes between Lebanon and Syria.[url]http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/index.htm

B- That is good news.
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