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#881 donquijote

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Posted 28 August 2003 - 02:41 PM

<Why do you call for money on education?.
Main purpose of education is to instruct how to control the human behavior.>

I think you are talking about religion...;)

Education on the othe hand is...

"Education must, then, be not only a transmission of culture but also a provider of alternative views of the world and a strengthener of the will to explore them."

ATTRIBUTION: Jerome S. Bruner (20th century), U.S. psychologist and educator.
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Posted 28 August 2003 - 02:59 PM

<I think I exposed the snakes here several times. But no one here cared to listen to Ghosti.
What you think of this?
The fork tongued serpent tricksters can't deceive Ghosti. >

Howdy Ghostman
Big Lion uses Big Snake to control Little Animals. Little Animals are told that Big Lion is good and necessary. Big Snake preys too on Little Animals, but plays mind tricks--all those tricks with the tongue--to make them defenseless, then she injects the poison.

We need to expose Big Lion. Over.

"Karl Marx held that history is shaped by control of the means of production. In our times history is shaped by control of the means of communication"

-Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.

THE PROBLEM

"Their constant yelping about a free press means, with a few honorable
exceptions, freedom to peddle scandal, crime, sex, sensationalism,
hate, innuendo and the political and financial uses of propaganda. A
newspaper [or television or radio] is a business out to make money
through advertising revenue. That is predicated on the circulation
[the ratings] and you know what circulation depends on."

-Raymond Chandler (1888-1959), U.S. author. Harlan Potter, in The Long Goodbye, ch. 32 (1954).

THE SOLUTION I PROPOSE

'TV and radio should be independent of Big Business and the State. (This is due to two reasons: culturally, because the ratings make bad programs become "good"... for business; and, politically, because whoever has power over the media... will be in power; however, people should be able to watch anything on video and cable; the BBC offers us and example of an independent media.) The "Free Press" should be democratized, so that, among other things, the censorship of the opinions of the public is eradicated. (Pravda would be a positive example here.)'

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Posted 28 August 2003 - 04:06 PM

All Quiet on the Homefront

http://engforum.prav...&threadid=31775
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Posted 28 August 2003 - 08:56 PM

<It's an open book. You can make it what you want.
You can make it happen if you make it happen.
Anything from crossword masters to crosscountry swimming.
But originally the popular choice was best place to live as opposed to being the heavyweight military champion of the world. >

Again, it's about having the right mentality...

'Let's start with mentality. We are not "rebuilding" Iraq. We are "building" a new Iraq
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Posted 28 August 2003 - 11:28 PM

TO :::::::::::: GI Joe;

being #1 is not math, and it is not english; it is a psychological obsesion. and it is a psychological obsesion which is not found among russians, it is an obsession which is not a part of the russian culture.

that part of my posting is not in english it is in a dialectic form of russian which is good enough for you; because of the dialectic form of english which you use.

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Posted 28 August 2003 - 11:32 PM

TO ::::: Bader;

please see my reply to GI Joe.

i do believe that you shall understand it correctly.

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Posted 28 August 2003 - 11:36 PM

Some very interesting points...

"We the people can transform the moral character of capitalism and all economic systems so they empower and enrich the lives of all human beings within every human community."

http://www.udarrell....nstitutions.htm

"Truth and Justice go hand in hand, it is not possible to achieve justice without the prior condition of truth which is the very fabric or basic element toward the administration of justice."

http://www.udarrell....tice_peace.html
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Posted 28 August 2003 - 11:59 PM

<being #1 is not math, and it is not english; it is a psychological obsesion. and it is a psychological obsesion which is not found among russians, it is an obsession which is not a part of the russian culture.>

Howdy Vladimr
I take the blame for using this Hollywood title but it's used in the sense of 'having the best quality of life,' not 'having the best military,' as it's often the case. To me, Scandinavia is #1. It's better for the people and even more stable than any military superpower. The former USSR shows how a strong military superpower was weak in itself. When there's *justice*, there's strength.

Besides Russia has been #1, and Russians did indeed feel proud of it. Needless to say they pioneered into space and won the most Olympic medals, among other things. This time around though it wouldn't be for the glory of the lion, but for the glory of the little people.;)

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Posted 29 August 2003 - 12:16 AM

Oh this is so good...

*If you look at a lion in the jungle, you see beautiful trees and beautiful animals around the lion. You see the sun. You see Africa. You know what the lion sees? A meat market! It doesn't care about the sun. It doesn't care about the wind, or the trees or the green grass. Its mind is set on food.*

But the poor little animals--flies and goldfish--ain't ready to fly and swim...:D

If you raise flies in a jar, and at some point you take the cover away, they won't leave. They believe the jar is their world. Only a couple of pioneers decide, 'Why should I be here? This is an opening; this is an opportunity. Let me see if I can go beyond the fact that I think it's closed.' They make it out. The rest of them stay in the jar forever. Isn't that amazing! This is fly mentality. Fly vision. Fly brains.

Imagine a bowl with goldfish. When you put a glass down the center, half of the goldfish are here, and half of the goldfish are there. After a while, when you take the glass away, they won't move over to the other side anymore. Their minds are fixed. They are in prison, just like the flies.

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Posted 29 August 2003 - 01:27 AM

Yes in actuality, the need to be number one is as old as the bible,
Cain killed Able to be number one.And there is a very bad thing about being number one, there is only one way you can go. So,
when i say we the U S A are number one, This is not a primal need to brag about it. It is merely a fact.


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Posted 29 August 2003 - 01:40 AM

Thanks for the compliment, but I'm not sure I deserve it.
I took the serious and frank comment re Russian culture on face value. But on this thread one doesn't always know just what
the writer represents, as in GIJ's comment, which I take as
a friendly jesture.
But then one can feel the need to give a serious response to make a point and nothing personal even if it is taken as non serious.
The title of this thread is rather childish in one sense but valid
in that the world is in such a mess that it is an excuse to discuss
how things could be done better and the "Russia" part is often incidental.
So really the thread is what you help make of it and if you have more to say about Russian culture you will have at least one attentive student.
The dialectic hieroglyphics is rather intriguing.
Cheers.
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Posted 29 August 2003 - 05:36 AM

"Education must, then, be not only a transmission of culture but also a provider of alternative views of the world and a strengthener of the will to explore them."

ATTRIBUTION: Jerome S. Bruner (20th century), U.S. psychologist and educator. ?After John Dewey, What?
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Posted 29 August 2003 - 05:53 AM

The best way to get to understand the world is to travel it.
Go see it. Meet people from all over the world, listen to their opinions travel travel travel and listen listen listen and this way you might just learn a little something. At least I think i learned a bit from doing just that.

So to answer your question. Of course we should educate our children about the entire world and its many races cultures and
religions,This will insure their feeling for the oppressed and underclass of the world.

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Posted 29 August 2003 - 06:27 AM

Travel is an education in itself.

Do students need a "feeling"? They need to be able to learn and think with what they learn. Feelings come naturally. I disapprove of telling people how they should feel about any subject. Anyone's opinion or feeling of what they observe is just that - an opinion or feeling. That makes a correct education most important.
I do not need to know what opinions or feelings my teacher has,
my Dad has, the President has. They can express them but with an education I should be able to first realize they ARE an opinion, not a fact. I don't need, for example, a teacher telling me that socialism is the way of the future and expressing it as fact. A little more information is needed than that in order for a correct conclusion or new hypothesis to be postulated on my part.

The oppressed and underclass(?) you observe is someone's culture and they may not approve of your evaluation. It is their way of life, has been and as far as they see it may always be.
They don't need no foreigner telling them how to live. What they do need though is an education - that cannot be forced either.
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Posted 29 August 2003 - 11:24 AM

For Russia to be great once again ,it doesn't need a peaceful-humanist approach.Bike lanes and women leadership are great but in this world, two things:bread and knife ,matter.
Russia has many advantages:it's number one in the world as a miltary conventional power ,second in technology and second in intelligence.It's main disadvantage is the mood of it's people.
If Russia makes publicity about it's resources and secrets all capital around in the world will pour in.Given enough time Russia has the strength and will to become the world's only superpower.
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Posted 29 August 2003 - 11:38 AM

Donquijote;// "Truth and Justice go hand in hand, it is not possible to achieve justice without the prior condition of truth which is the very fabric or basic element toward the administration of justice." To me, Scandinavia is #1. //

What you like in Scandinavia it is just communist enhancement taken from Slavs countries. Slavic women had pay leave, inexpensive nurse school with medical care and great free education. . It was taken by capitalism. Capitalism is simply attack barbarians on civilization. As well as an attack on Iraq. You, Americans are incapable to build a whole
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Posted 29 August 2003 - 12:39 PM

> >>> We Don't Need No Education
> >
> >The point is that those in control don't want education. The last
> >thing the upper 1% who pay off those who run things want, is for the
> >average American boob to find out what's going on.
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> It's also got the side effect that the educated and knowledgable spend
> their time fighting off those who want to impose their ignorance on
> everybody else, and keeps them distracted from what is actually
> happening.

So they must have won. Now we are gonna fight ignorance with
ignorance. Hallelujah!!!

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Posted 29 August 2003 - 12:47 PM

<Each person has an alternative view of the world providing the alternative views of the world is merely social engineering. This type of education would limit the alternative views of the world to what it considers valid views and eventually the state view is the only valid view.>

Well the warning is valid. But I'd imagine the universe of the uneducated is still narrower. How can they know that the evening news is just another show to praise the lion? How can they search the Internet for answers? Why should they care anyway but for day-to-day existance?

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Posted 29 August 2003 - 12:58 PM

<Yes in actuality, the need to be number one is as old as the bible,
Cain killed Able to be number one.And there is a very bad thing about being number one, there is only one way you can go. So,
when i say we the U S A are number one, This is not a primal need to brag about it. It is merely a fact.>

Yeah and for a while Cain is gonna be #1. But Abel's family is raging and wants to get even. And indeed they do at the first opportunity Cain is sleeping on it, wiping out the whole family, and becoming themselves #1. And that's the history of the world until a point in time where the Cains and the Abels of this world got WMDs...;)

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Posted 29 August 2003 - 01:03 PM

<The best way to get to understand the world is to travel it.
Go see it. Meet people from all over the world, listen to their opinions travel travel travel and listen listen listen and this way you might just learn a little something. At least I think i learned a bit from doing just that.

So to answer your question. Of course we should educate our children about the entire world and its many races cultures and
religions,This will insure their feeling for the oppressed and underclass of the world.>

Wow this sounds very civilized indeed.:confused:

One way would be indeed to travel but that's out of the question for most working people. Another way to go around it would to have channels like Travel available free of charge. For the time being I don't think Americans are even aware of what't going on in Canada.:confused:

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