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#1761 donquijote

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Posted 10 January 2004 - 03:56 PM

<Sorry DonQ I dont know yet what you mean. I accept if you
accept the one then the other is included but after that I cant see what you are saying.>

Howdy Bader
What I mean is that we are saying "No Lion No Problem!" but we will find ourselves after getting rid of the lion that we still need a good lion (Jesus, good government) to lead. :confused: So we can resolve the apparent contradiction by stating something very similar to what Gandhi said, "A world without government (lion) is not possible...so the less government (lion) the better.";)
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Posted 10 January 2004 - 04:07 PM

<So I wasnt impressed, sorry DonQ
He's worlds appart from all those who protest outside IMF and world trade meetings thats for sure. They know a Lion exists but he wouldnt. For him its no king or red dictator - no problem. >

Thank you for your comments. Anyways he confirms there's NO RULE OF LAW, and thus that the only law of this world is THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE.;)

But I did meet some of those protesting the FTAA--and a few roared at me. They almost look like the lion they were attacking. Actually in approaching them in a friendly manner I'd more problem with them than with the real lion.:confused: In any case it was a fight between lions, except for the independents. It's almost sure that every organization becomes a lion, a fact that Anarchists know full well.

Let's remember to assume that "every Saint is guilty until proven innocent."
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#1763 Bader

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Posted 10 January 2004 - 07:11 PM

Its very easy to become like what one fights against if one isnt careful, which reminds me of the Hegelian dialectic strategy.
The Lion can get you through reverse psychology.
Without meaning to steriotype, Palestinians have become like
the Israelis and Israelis like Nazi.
Many a good intentioned ones have gone into govt and become like those they despised but the rules and the environment makes the same type out of them.
But even a smaller govt may not be the answer because it simp-ly put more power into fewer hands- taking over all the strings
and not reducing them. Very hard to let go of what one gains-
power money influence privileges you name it.

The New World under the Lion of Judah will be people with new hearts and minds- the fall of human nature through the bad Lion will have been healed.
Eventually your "prophecy" no (bad) lion no problem will be fulfilled.

So until then we like Ghandi came realistically understand that we cant make a perfect world but we have options to improve it
and probably more individually than collectively, the Law of the Jungle is global and embargos and wars are increasing until all nations say zieg heil in unison.
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#1764 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 11 January 2004 - 12:07 AM

Bader; *There is/was no Jewish tribe in my knowledge*

But as Iliad and Odyssey were written by Greeks I have no doubts that Bible was written by Jewish. Bible is epic story of Jewish tribes. I don
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#1765 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 11 January 2004 - 01:30 AM

The primate group, to which our naked ape belongs, arose originally from primitive insect eaters stock. These early mammals were small, insignificant creature, scuttling nervously around forests, while reptiles were dominating the animal scene. Between 80-50 millions ago, following the collapse of great age of reptiles, these little insect-eaters began to ventures into new territories. They spread and grew into many shapes. Some became plant eaters or grew long legs to flee from enemies. Others became sharp-toothed killers. Open country was a battlefield. The early insect eaters start to devour fruits, nuts, berries, buds. AS they evolved into the lowliest forms of primates, their vision improved the eyes coming to the front and the hands developing as food graspers. Between 25-35 millions years ago monkeys were beginning to increase body size, tails became obsoletes. At this stage they had easy pickings in their forest of Eden. And so there they stayed. This ape trend took place only in the Old World. Monkeys evolved separately as advanced tree-dwellers in both Old and New World, but American branch primates never made the ape grade. In the Old World ancestral apes were spreading over a wide forest from eastern Africa and Southern Asia. Today remnants can be seen in FRICAN CHIMPANZEES, GORILLAS ASIAN GIBBONS AND ORANGUTANS. WORLD IS NOW DEVOID OF HAIRY APES. LUSH FORESTS HAVE GONE.
What happened to the early apes? WE know that climate began to work against them and around 15 mln years ago forest become seriously reduced in size. The ancestor apes were forced to do one of two either they had to cling on to what was left of their old forest or in an almost biblical sense they had to face expulsion from the Gaeden. The ancestors of chimpanzees, gorillas, gibbons and oranges stayed put, and their numbers have been slowly dwindling ever since. The ancestor of the naked ape left the forests, and threw themselves into competition with ground dwellers. In terms of evolutionary success it paid dividends.

*Even space ape urinate.*

Why I copy here zoologist interpretation of naked ape as an animal from
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Posted 11 January 2004 - 03:11 AM

The word "Jew" is a relatively modern word. It originated as a
reference to citizens of the province of Judea under the Romans.
A large percent of US citizens are German decent but who would call the Huns Yanks?
The Old Testament is a history of the Adamic race in particular and the Hebrew branch of it as a special line that God used
in the cause for the salvation of the Adamic race.
The label and the persons to whom the label "Jew" belonged referred to a remnant that had returned to the promised land after the Hebrew Tribes were sent into captivity for rejecting God.
That has not yet been resolved. The purpose of their return was not a reversal of the capitivity but to build the second Temple so
Jesus could fulfill the law and be dedicated to God in the Temple
The label has been further compromised into smoke and mirrors
by the fact that the Idumean Jew ( the cursed line of Esau) is now
intertwined with what we call Jews. Further the greatest component of the label people are in fact non-semitic Khazars
who adopted a religious ideology not the God of Abraham.
Little wonder the history of the Jews has some long and ugly
aspects given the complexity of their capitivity amongst imposters
and pretenders after the material promises to Abraham. (eg the current war to capture the oil and gas, the original goal of the Zionists)
These people are the real anti-semites.
The Bible records clearly who and what the tribes are and the
covenantal conditions yet the facts and the truth are not as important as political correctness and popular/media labels.
The simple fact is there are millions of people who are the decendants of the twelve Hebrew tribes out there and only a few are amongst the Jews.
My view is, to accept the deception incorporated in the label is
to consign the people of God (the Hebrew Israel) to oblivion and dis-inheritance.

re answers to the question regarding the future world. You need to be specific WOJ.
If the naked ape left the jungle for the plains and made great gains, now with the crisis setting in on the plains through the
lack of healthy water etc where is the naked ape going to escape to and adapt to a new progress? The sea? The Moon? Or a United Soviet Nations?
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#1767 Pliny

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Posted 11 January 2004 - 06:55 AM

>>>The New World under the Lion of Judah will be people with new hearts and minds- the fall of human nature through the bad Lion will have been healed.
Eventually your "prophecy" no (bad) lion no problem will be fulfilled.

So until then we like Ghandi came realistically understand that we cant make a perfect world but we have options to improve it
and probably more individually than collectively, the Law of the Jungle is global and embargos and wars are increasing until all nations say zieg heil in unison.<<<

The New World Order under the Lion of Judah..??? Where did you get that idea?
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#1768 Pliny

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Posted 11 January 2004 - 06:58 AM

I think only five people have posted on this forum in the last week. All on this thread.
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#1769 Bader

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Posted 11 January 2004 - 09:21 AM

You added in a word on what I said Pliny.
I didnt say new world order under the Lion of Judah (Christ)

The new world is a new heavens and a new earth as prophesied.
Why put a restored Adamic race on a rubbish dump?
And if man isnt liable to corrupt everything where ever he goes
maybe the new heavens will be reachable and able to add a dimension to creativity for man.
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Posted 11 January 2004 - 06:28 PM

Faced with a new environment, our ancestors encountered a bleak prospect. They had to become either better killers than old vtime carnivores or better grazers than herbivores. WE know that success was won on both scores, but in agriculture only a few thousand years ago. Naked ape at first was no match for professional killer of the carnivore world. . Even a small mongoose could beat him to the kill. But young helpless animals of all kinds were there for taking. Naked ape with strong pressure on them to increase their prey vkilling prowess, became more upright, better runners, and hands efficient weapon vholder. A hunting ape a killer ape was in the making. Groups of wild gorilla travel about 1/3 of mile a day. Carnivores by contrast must frequently do 50 miles on a single hunting trip. before returning to their home base. A territory is by definition a defended area. The battle was won by brain than brawn, evolutionary step increase brain power. Juvenile and infantile characters are retained into adult life. A famous example axolotl, kind of salamander that may remain a tadpole all its life and is capable breeding in this condition. Even a young chimpanzee compete its brain growth within 12 months after birth. Our species has at birth a brain which is only 23% of its final adult size. Whole growing brain process is complete about the 23 year of life, 10 years after attained sexual maturity-it was differential infantilism; The naked ape his weakness as physical and instinctive hunter, were compensated by his intelligence and his imitative abilities. He could be taught by his parents. . Using a fixed home basis increase his urge to communicate and to cooperate with his fellow as stronge aggressive response to rival group. He had to share out his food. Because extremely long period dependency of young , females found themselves confined to home. The role of sexes become more distinct and it develop a pair bond. . The hunting ape male was under strong pressure to reduce any source of disharmony within the tribe. The female were sure of male support and devote to material duties and males were sure of female loyalty. Hunting ape took role of a lethal carnivore . Cultural developments have given us more and more impressive technological advances, but wherever these clash with biological properties they meet strong resistance. The fundamental pattern of behavior laid down in our early days as hunting ape still shine through all our affairs, no matter how lofty they may be. We have repeatedly bowed our before our animal nature and tacitly admitted the complex beast that stirs within us. (Desmond Morris)
Bader; * re answers to the question regarding the future world. You need to be specific WOJ.
If the naked ape left the jungle for the plains and made great gains, now with the crisis setting in on the plains through the
lack of healthy water etc where is the naked ape going to escape to and adapt to a new progress? The sea? The Moon? Or a United Soviet Nations?*
This what I with help of Desmond Morris am trying to explain; part by part.
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Posted 11 January 2004 - 08:19 PM

Howdy Bader
I know you are not attracted to the subject of SUVs, but lest not forget that roads are a jungle too and that people are needlessly dying there when not in combat to get more oil.:confused: So my proposal of transportation *OPTIONS* (Curitiba model) can save many lives...

> > True. Kudos for the Liberty and similar models. But shame on the big
> > behemoths. The issue here is SAFETY and they are a THREAT TO SMALLER
> > VEHICLES
>
> I drive those "smaller" vehicles because they make sense to me, and I say,
> "So what?" to the behemoths. I am not threatened by them because I know how
> to be a defensive driver. The issue that you have skimmed over is that all
> SUVs are not behemoths, but I have never seen a list that describes which
> SUVs are a problem and which are OK. All I have ever seen is ranting and
> raving that SUVs (presumably all of them) are rolling death traps, and this
> is clearly a misrepresentation of the truth, if not a flat out lie.

You may be a very defensive driver, but surviving those behemoth SUVs
zigzaging around you is a matter of luck. So good luck!

Let's learn from Big Brother and keep the heat on... ;)

With enough of that kind of thing, even antisocial SUV drivers might
find the disapproval associated w/driving their vehicles too much to
take. If the campaign seems far-fetched, don't forget that the U.S.
government produced similar propaganda during WWII. (My favorite
slogan: "Should brave men die so you can drive?")

http://www.mowabb.co...2003_01_14.html
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#1772 Pliny

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Posted 11 January 2004 - 09:11 PM

Bader,
>>>And if man isnt liable to corrupt everything where ever he goes
maybe the new heavens will be reachable and able to add a dimension to creativity for man.<<<

Have you ever been to Disney World?

WOJ,

The theory of evolution was debunked over a decade ago. By now most people know that space aliens came down to earth and played with the DNA to develop man.
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Posted 11 January 2004 - 09:21 PM

<What happened to the early apes? WE know that climate began to work against them and around 15 mln years ago forest become seriously reduced in size. The ancestor apes were forced to do one of two either they had to cling on to what was left of their old forest or in an almost biblical sense they had to face expulsion from the Gaeden. The ancestors of chimpanzees, gorillas, gibbons and oranges stayed put, and their numbers have been slowly dwindling ever since. The ancestor of the naked ape left the forests, and threw themselves into competition with ground dwellers. In terms of evolutionary success it paid dividends. >

The Bible speaks about the Good Lion displacing the Bad Lion and Evolution speaks about *change* being necessary for the survival of the species. So in the end, whichever way you put it, it makes sense to come out of the jungle.

One question, why God threw an asteroid to the dinosaurs?;)

(sorry to repeat the story)

EVOLVE OR ELSE!

Once upon a time lived a race of dinosaurs whose violence and appetite alarmed everybody... One day a Little Ant, tired of feeling stepped upon, and worried about her cooperative enterprise, came up to the Americanus Raptor--the biggest dinosaur of them all--and asked: "Why you always have to protect the right of the dinosaurs, who do nothing but eat everything in their path? Why don't the little animals get a fair share of this world?" Then the dinosaur, who had a bad temper, replied: "Bigger is better, so get lost..."

The Little Ant, then, gathered the whole cooperative and said: "Comrades, our world is being threatened by the dinosaurs, so..." And at that precise moment the Earth was hit by a big ball of fire, destroying all but the small animals...
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Posted 11 January 2004 - 09:36 PM

<The New World Order under the Lion of Judah..??? Where did you get that idea? >

Howdy Pliny
I got my own view on it. The change we are speaking about here, to quote Bader, would be *owned by the people*. It would NOT expect things from "above" and it would NOT be in full contradiction with the concept of "good," "God," or however you call it. It would be the MEANS to it, however imperfect, not the way to supress it.

The first characteristic would be the availability of *OPTIONS* politically and economically so each human being can realize his/her own potential. The concept of God would be a more private concept than now. I call it Humanism but you can come up with whatever name that fits you.
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Posted 11 January 2004 - 09:40 PM

"The greatest sin is competition." - JD Rockefeller

That's why the monkey was killed...;)

I don't need to repeat the story, right?

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Posted 11 January 2004 - 09:49 PM

Why God hurled the Asteroid?

http://engforum.prav...?threadid=54074
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Posted 12 January 2004 - 12:13 AM

My quote is not that interesting. The interesting part of it is who actually said it. That is why he crushes competition. His tools are socialism, big brother and the welfare state - the new opiate of the masses.

>>>I call it Humanism but you can come up with whatever name that fits you.<<<

Do not call it humanism. It may become confused with secular humanism, also called humanism, and its adherents are called humanists, adjective: humanistic.

A godless, soulless pursuit that evolved out of the "man is an animal" concept and promoted by our social engineers and scientists meanwhile condemning all other faiths.
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Posted 12 January 2004 - 02:06 PM

Pliny; *WOJ,

The theory of evolution was debunked over a decade ago. By now most people know that space aliens came down to earth and played with the DNA to develop man.*

I don
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Posted 12 January 2004 - 05:13 PM

I see. I believe you are correct.
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Posted 12 January 2004 - 08:01 PM

<our forefathers are Dinasaurs?. life continues whatever happens. >

You are right. Roaches will survive!
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