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#1861 donquijote

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 09:08 PM

<Junk food is here to stay because the cost of good food is becoming too expensive. Since a quick buck cannot come from good healthy (expensive) food, bulk/ high volumn throughput trash that can be made tasty and afforable is inevitable until we get a fair and honest monetary system.>

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No, I don't think so. And we can actually tax junk food to subsidize healthy alternatives. Even like it is, here in the States there are health food chains like Wild Oats and Whole Foods whose prices are not so high--if you know what to buy. For example a six pack of "healthy" cola, $1.99, or a quart of soy ice cream, absolutely delicious around the same price on sale.

It's a matter of education. The little people need to be educated and taxation and support of organic agriculture should do the rest. This is the case of Switzerland...

Introduction

For the past ten years, organic agriculture has been developing dynamically in Switzerland. The area of agricultural land being farmed according to organic standards is expanding rapidly. By end 2000, agricultural land used for organic farming reached some 95 000 ha (9.0 percent), including land in conversion to organic. Since 1990, organic farms have increased almost eight-fold. By end 2000, there were 5 850 organic farms, or 9.2 percent of all agricultural holdings in Switzerland. Further growth in farm conversions to organic agriculture is to be expected in the next few years, albeit at a less rapid growth rate.

more...

http://www.fao.org/d...9e/y1669e0e.htm

<Perhaps also the Iraqis should be calling for an early election in the US. >

I got the name for it: "Operation America Freedom," based on decentralized Swiss style democracy.
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Posted 21 January 2004 - 09:18 PM

<American indians dont need anything now they have democracy.
Muslims will find the same. They dont need oil or realestate
once they have democracy and all that comes with it like Mc Donalds and obesity from driving SUVs everywhere.>

That's right, the Best Democracy Money Can Buy...;)

Largest dinosaur ever...

America - Soon To Be The
Largest Police State Ever
By Doreen Miller
YellowTimes.org Columnist (US)
7-24-2

America, humility has never been thy forte! We are the arrogant
masters of the game of one-upmanship in a nation known for its
excesses where bigger is better and having more is a measure of
personal status. We are a land of super-sized fries, giant
soft-drinks, king-sized burgers and overall superfluous portions, and
we have the mega-sized waistlines to prove it!

We drive the biggest, most wasteful, gas-guzzling vehicles on the
planet. The world's most gluttonous consumers of natural resources, we
spew forth the most pollution of any nation. We live in homes that are
virtual palaces compared to the living quarters of most of the
population in the rest of the world.

We own gargantuan-sized TV's purchased in city-sized shopping malls.
We have many of the world's tallest skyscrapers and are home to
mammoth, predatory corporations. We brag of having the largest
military equipped with the world's most extensive arsenal of high-tech
weapons of mass destruction bar none.

Today, we are standing on the threshold of the addition of yet another
superlative to our long, dubious list of boasts: soon we are to be the
largest police state that has ever existed. Our government, under the
pretext of homeland security, is in the process of creating a division
of secret informants whose scope promises to far surpass the level of
spying achieved by the Stasi, secret police, in former Communist East
Germany.

http://www.rense.com...ral27/plstt.htm
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Posted 21 January 2004 - 09:50 PM

How spent time our relatives when is so gloomy and cold in Warsaw?
Do the same thing what our children.
Gorillas watch TV in Warsaw ZOO.
Most preferably program is NATURE. They leave TV during politician speeches.
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Posted 22 January 2004 - 08:58 AM

What is the colour code WOJ. What is red (A) and blue the last?

US soon to be the largest police state: Bush is trying to bring back Inquisition. The potential is to go further back into darkages than the Third Reich. The Spanish Inquisition went from 1479 to 1820! Closer than I thought. The most incidious part was the false informants who "reported" on someone to show how
patriotic-loyal they were to protect themselves. Denial was
believed to be obstinance which led to torture and often burning at the stake. The White House has been challenging the Justice Dept over the right to torture political prisoners.
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Posted 22 January 2004 - 09:55 AM

from their parents:

Checkout "Americanpolicy. org" and "Nationalanxietycenter.com"'
and click on their "education" sections.

Civil Disobedience:

Govnor of New Hampshire and Mayor of Boston have both declared they will ignore new Fed law and import drugs from Canada saving respectively an estimated $1 million and $1.5 million.
The FDA claims Canadian products are not as good, but the FDA salaries are paid by the big drug companies.

In Canada three provinces have refused to enforce the gun registration laws. The Canadian Fed assured the taxpayers it would cost no more tyhan $1 million, now approaching $1 billion!
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Posted 22 January 2004 - 01:38 PM

Bader; A,B, C, ;
regardless of peaceful atmosphere what democrats would like to create about themselves I don
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Posted 22 January 2004 - 02:08 PM

*Orwells 1984 and protecting children..
from their parents:*

Law should protect children from their parents as any adult is protected from physical attack. Children should be treated as a citizens , not a private property. This is a law in Sweden.
Citizens also should have right to vote since age of 14, . in contrary to adults who voted during time of race segregation.

I am disappointed that (excluding Donq) nobody cares for Scandinavians; Accident of Kursk was discussed by all media, even year after during anniversary. When two days ago 22 people die on Norwegian vessel American press didn
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Posted 22 January 2004 - 05:50 PM

Of course, we all must assume there is never a bad child.


I really get upset when the State dictates children cannot be disciplined by their parents. The kids are on the streets at all hours of the night and the State then asks accusingly, "Where are the parents?" The Parents hands are tied, as no discipline can be administered. Of course, to the compassionate lib-left, there is no such thing as a bad child only bad parenting, right?
The idea being to stop parenting and all will be well. The State has been slowly assuming the role of parent for the last 50 years, and longer in Sweden's socialist paradise, where everyone is happy riding on the bus and they can snub their nose at SUV owners.

An example of how the State creates problems but is never responsible for doing so.
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Posted 22 January 2004 - 07:47 PM

> > It's a matter of education. The little people need to be educated and
> > taxation and support of organic agriculture should do the rest. This
> > is the case of Switzerland...
> > [....]
> > I got the name for it: "Operation America Freedom," based on
> > decentralized Swiss style democracy.
>
> You're continuing to shower 'us' with the kindest of compliments
> despite ongoing propaganda efforts to portray my Home Soil as
> a place of financial greed and ethical 'no-balls'-ness...
>
> Why do you do that, Don? Wanna come over and live there?
> You see... Citizenship is usually granted by referral and from what
> I read of you so far, I would not hesitate to put in "a good word"
> for you --- just in case... Consider that a formal invitation, please.
> We need people like you in order to survive as an independent culture.
>
> Best regards
> Dan

Thanks, Dan. I just try to be fair and stress what works from your
culture as well as Scandinavian culture so the world can learn from
you and truly become democratic, prosperous and peaceful. I would give
both systems a high rating, both accomplishing by different routes
(decentralized vs. centralized, respectively) the highest humankind
has achieved so far. Switzerland has particularly much to show
America, and if she adopted a system of national defense similar to
the Swiss' defensive strategy, she and the world would be better off.
The kind of notoriety some are trying in the Scandinavian countries
though could only lead to more disaster among all and particularly
among their own populations. Between lions and violent monkeys, we
should also learn from the Swiss, and *we must remain NEUTRAL*. The
jungle must be over, and that means not only safety but also less
immigration...

The offer you make me though...may just become necessary. ;)

Anyways this is what NOT to do:

I'm afraid the Scandinavian lion, while mild and tamed at home, still
shows his--or should say her--paws and teeth...

''We want to be relevant''

Who's Afraid of Norway?
By MATTHEW BRZEZINSKI

Anyone who says America's European allies have no stomach for action
has never flown with Norway's defense minister, Kristin Krohn Devold.
I might give her this compliment, if only the helicopter we're in
weren't plummeting backward.

(snip)

The civilian official next to me has turned green. Devold, meanwhile,
gazes dreamily out the window, her paratrooper boots propped leisurely
on the chopper's deck, a huge smile on her face.

source...

http://www.nytimes.c...4NORWAY.html?th
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Posted 22 January 2004 - 09:15 PM

<How spent time our relatives when is so gloomy and cold in Warsaw?
Do the same thing what our children.
Gorillas watch TV in Warsaw ZOO.
Most preferably program is NATURE. They leave TV during politician speeches.>

Second time I agree with you--out of 100...;)

As soon as they get the Iraquis hooked on stupid talk shows and car-crashing police episodes, the resistance will be over. Latin America is hooked on Spanish soap operas and live happily despite their poverty...:)
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Posted 22 January 2004 - 09:28 PM

Hi all
Very heated debates at Google, many new friends and many prisoners taken...;)

Anyways, What makes a Lion a Lion?

Firstly, there's the first type of lion that upon being confronted with the pitiful state and insecurity of the jungle, will choose to cooperate... This is NOT a lion, he becomes ones of us.

Secondly, there's the type that would deny to cooperate, but who upon telling him that we don't need him to do anything, and that the little animals will build their own water well, will choose to remain neutral. This is not a bad lion either, as he understands the needs of the little animals and accepts competition.

Lastly, it's the lion who fails either to join the little animals or remain neutral, and doesn't want the little animals to prosper and won't accept competition. This is the real bad lion, Satan indeed...;)
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Posted 22 January 2004 - 09:40 PM

If they do, I want to go to Hell.:confused:

<From all of them, Bush is more honest, he doesn-t pretend to be a lamb when he is a desert hyena, >

Only lion that was not a faker was Hitler. That is why all the little animals--as well as the other lions--were on their guard. Others speak about "democracy" etc.

see picture...

http://english.pravd...11693_bush.html

<) - Patriarch Bartholomew, spiritual leader of 140 million Orthodox Christians, arrived in Cuba to open the first church built from scratch..>
Bartholomew, making the first visit to Latin America by an orthodox patriarch, was later received by Castro with a military guard of honor at the Palace of the Revolution.
The small church of Byzantine arches built of limestone in the heart of colonial Old Havana, next to the harbor, is a gift from Cuba's communist-run government.
Castro is expected to sit next to the patriarch on one of three wooden thrones during a four-hour consecration ceremony filled with symbolic pageantry on Sunday. http://www.washingto...-2004Jan22.html >

All lions go to Heaven. Lion helps Lion. After all they never get to live with the little animals.

What do you think an honest non-lion jungle should do in dealing with other lions? To me it's clear: NOT DEAL WITH ANY LION!
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Posted 22 January 2004 - 09:51 PM

<Law should protect children from their parents as any adult is protected from physical attack. Children should be treated as a citizens , not a private property. This is a law in Sweden.
Citizens also should have right to vote since age of 14, . in contrary to adults who voted during time of race segregation. >

Third time I agree with you. Voting rights at 14, and removal of voting privileges upon retiring. The elderly should indeed chip in with society with their abilities and experience (in exchange for a decent living), but not with their vote.

I know an old lady aged 93 who voted for the biggest lion in recent history who escapes any responsibility by saying, "I'm not going to live it anyway.":confused:
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Posted 22 January 2004 - 10:04 PM

<Of course, we all must assume there is never a bad child.

I really get upset when the State dictates children cannot be disciplined by their parents. The kids are on the streets at all hours of the night and the State then asks accusingly, "Where are the parents?" The Parents hands are tied, as no discipline can be administered. Of course, to the compassionate lib-left, there is no such thing as a bad child only bad parenting, right?
The idea being to stop parenting and all will be well. The State has been slowly assuming the role of parent for the last 50 years, and longer in Sweden's socialist paradise, where everyone is happy riding on the bus and they can snub their nose at SUV owners.

An example of how the State creates problems but is never responsible for doing so. >

That's what they have accomplished with the state, which I will support until a way is found out to do without the state. I think we should set *goals* that should be tried with and without the state. Canada, for example, has non-socialized medicine (single payer insurance) that covers everybody at half the cost of America, where 44 million go without insurance...:confused:

I see a good reason though that they, while riding comfortable, non-polluting trolleys, can snub their nose at the gas-guzzling SUVs caught up in gigantic traffic jams in America.
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Posted 23 January 2004 - 02:34 AM

Donq; *. As soon as they get the Iraquis hooked on stupid talk shows and car-crashing police episodes, the resistance will be over. Latin America is hooked on Spanish soap operas and live happily despite their poverty..*.

I am not so sure, I think that Mexican Fox will hit the street this year.
You should also see Muslim culture (on PBS- Empire) especially in science of architecture to see that your bad vision is impossible. In contrary I see Muslim influence on American interior finish. Exterior; Americans are not able to effort.

*Woman is the weaker sex, Women should submit to their husbands*. Paul told Timothy that women in church should be silent and not be allowed to teach or to tell men what to do. *

*These who spare the rod hate their children. Spare the rode, spoil the child.*

*The test of an adulteress; . Women of suspected of committing adultery had to drink a brew of water mixed with dirt from the floor of warship center. If the woman got sick she was guilty.( Who wouldn
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Posted 23 January 2004 - 12:38 PM

the human ability to reproduce itself is unique indeed!;
(From Urban )
Woman in small south Polish village gave birth. She was married it was nothing exciting about it only, that the child was black. It was time before globalization.
Woman never left place further than 50 miles, and black men were seen there only on TV. After many hrs of interviewing come out that husband went on business trip to Warsaw and in it was included some intimate socialization.
Lady was hard working girl and before him she entertained black student.
*Businesses man* after 10 hours trip returned home, transmitted and made his wife pregnant with black individual sperm.
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Posted 23 January 2004 - 02:08 PM

Truth about Chechnya
What happened next? My destiny is just one among the millions who have to be refugees in their own country.
Yuri Kondratyev

Fact that you are refugee in their own country does not impress anybody; Palestinians are refugee in Palestine and Serbs in Kosovo.
But you are still in better situation that American Indians. They from owners of North American land become less than 1.8 mln men live in reservations. American Indians who are not killed are poisoned by vodka.
The same vodka what US want to use to eliminate Iraqi under flag of democracy and tolerance. BTV; I am not Russian but Polish , but I don
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Posted 23 January 2004 - 10:19 PM

The good news is, this is the year of the monkey. Bad news for the lion though...;)

http://news.bbc.co.u...int/3416371.stm
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 06:33 AM

next?

European muslims are being recruited (from ex-Jugoslavia) and trained for "terrorists" duty around the world. One has to ask if this is a second stage development by Western interests as the
first stage ( ex Zbigniew Brzenzinski planning it would appear)that was needed to justify Nato intervention to cover for war crimes. One thing is for sure it will contribute to the Bush
propoganda justifying indefinite war on terrorism and US freedoms/constitution.

Excellent article DonQ on Pravda front news piece re Hitler and Bush.
But the lack of outrage isnt a indictment of the indifferent US public but also the developed nations public and those on the Security Council and the UN leader himself.
In fact the UN embargo that has destroyed so many Iraqi children is just as much an indictment on the members of the UN as much as those who are key players. The blindness is universal not just US.
What hope is there for humanity when the most outstanding
effort of the developed world to bring peace on earth is as
sick as any regime that we popularly indict because wanton waste of lives for "progress" and "order".
I disagree the changing point was not the Iraqi war but the allowing Sept 11 to take place so invasion and other things were "justified". It was Sept 11 that was the parallel of the burning of the Reichstag. The difference is I believe that the German leadership was taken by supprise while the Bush cabal
were ready to act once their well warned event took place.
A fact of history that is not politically correct to make as widely known as the burning of the reichstag is the international Jewish embargo of German goods in the depth of the depression which is the equivalent of declaring war, which happened six months after Her Hitler came to power and before anything dastedly began to happen. Germany was already targeted to start it down the paranoia track. The downing of the twin towers had no visible effect on the US economy but an embargo in a depression
was way above that.
The greater issue is not that the US citizens arent awake but that
Western society after the Third Reich experience should recognise what is happening, especially the media.
I dont accept that the Iraqi war is to divert public attention. It is part of a major objective that was justified by Sept 11 which adds to the suspicion of the actors and players behind the event.
The use of the word fascism is narrow and misleading. It doesnt represent the jackboot totalitarianism but the joint venture between State power and Corp power which rules the world not just America.
Bush, as a family and as global corporate interest- representing both also is a latter-day version of the same who backed the Third Reich.
It was good to see the matter of power tending to corrupt and the need for checks and balances mentioned, which is what Russia needs to appreciate to become a number one society.
Regards the awareness of the US public I came across an article
written in US that says "most American mass media most of the time contains little or no foreign news.......the vast majority of Americans will not watch or read news, unless its local news, sports or gossip"- like Sunday papers
"When Americans do have a podium on which to stand and freely express themselves, they rarely have much to say. And when they do few of their fellow citizens are inclined to listen...
...the country is soaked in false, inacurrate distorted and self-adulatory histories."
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 01:30 PM

David R. Hoffman in*Bush. Hitler* article is perfect example how to maintain election propaganda for Democrats , comparing Bush to Hitler.
Of course I think that comparison Bush with Hitler is too big complement to Bush because in result of Hitler WWII was the spring of nations It would be too long here to names all the countries which get freedom , but I can not stop myself just to mention; India , Pakistan, Burma, China, Indonesia. Majority of war population recived its freedom from English Empire in result of WWII. I don
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