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#1881 donquijote

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Posted 24 January 2004 - 09:41 PM

For those who think the lion only eats you at tax time, here's the story of someone who tried to survive only on the food the system pushes on people, adults and children alike...

ARCH ENEMY

By MEGAN LEHMANN
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Filmmaker Morgan Spurlock's new documentary, "Super Size Me," details his 30-day McDonald's diet and subsequent health woes.
- Julie Soefer

January 22, 2004 -- LAST February, Morgan Spurlock decided to become a gastronomical guinea pig.
His mission: To eat three meals a day for 30 days at McDonald's and document the impact on his health.

Scores of cheeseburgers, hundreds of fries and dozens of chocolate shakes later, the formerly strapping 6-foot-2 New Yorker - who started out at a healthy 185 pounds - had packed on 25 pounds.

But his supersized shape was the least of his problems.

Within a few days of beginning his drive-through diet, Spurlock, 33, was vomiting out the window of his car, and doctors who examined him were shocked at how rapidly Spurlock's entire body deteriorated.

full article...

http://www.nypost.co...nment/16393.htm
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 11:00 PM

Donq; The good news is, this is the year of the monkey. Bad news for the lion though...

Having ancient Slavs as a ancestors we feel rhythm of the cosmos. We run around sun and create our earth years. Our life is divided by periods of time when shortest night to time when night is longest, and between when time night and day are equal time.
These astronomic dates 22/23 December , 21/22 March and September and 21/23July were base for agriculture work and consequently for the Slavs existence.
Christianity used less or more exactly our existed prehistoric celebrations of sessions, as a Christian holidays. Our Slavs years are years of Nature and consequently Nature brings us constructive forces.
BTW; In Poland on 21/22 July in shortest Kupala night we still have big folklore celebration and on Second day of Easter
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 07:15 AM

Howdy DonQ:

Found an enlightening article which covers much of what we have discussed but interesting that someone so high in the establishment banking can be so open although not acknowledging how bad the debt-slavery system is but it easy to see how bad the Lion of world finance is upon the societies.
But is does show there is an alternative for local economies but they must vote with their feet- back their own initiative.

ratical.org/many_worlds/cc/lietaer.html

Also further education for anyone interested

users.cyberone.com.au/myers/money.html

This has imput from Prof. John Hotson I have used explanations from. Very long but worth the time and shows how stupid and unsustainable the current system taught all overe the world is.
It does intertain some debt and interest but doesnt say why when it isnt necessary.
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 12:08 PM

Bader;
Nor Democrats nor Republicans are interested in how much people pay interest to the banks and how little banks pay people for money deposits. They can talk only safe issue as American obesity, education etc. Nothing meaningful
Present boom of the banks is built on legal robbery. I don
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 12:47 PM

US democracy in work;
*Our Man in Baku
ILHAM ALIYEV was inaugurated as president of the oil-rich Muslim country of Azerbaijan three months ago after an election condemned by international observers as blatantly fraudulent. When members of the opposition tried to protest, they were brutally beaten by police. There followed a massive, nationwide crackdown in which more than 1,000 people were arrested, including opposition leaders, activists from nongovernmental organizations, journalists and election officials who objected to the fraud. More than 100 remain in prison, including most of the senior opposition activists. A new report by Human Rights Watch documents numerous cases of torture, including severe beatings, electric shock, and threats of rape against the opposition leaders.
. The administration waived congressional restrictions to grant Azerbaijan $3 million in military aid and is winding up to give still more. The Pentagon is talking with Azeri officials about the possible use of bases for U.S. operations. Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld visited Baku last month to confer with Mr. Aliyev. When asked about the electoral fraud, he replied: "The United States has a relationship with this country. We value it." Said Mr. Aliyev proudly: "The United States is a strategic partner."
Source of President Bush's policy is oil. Over the last decade Mr. Aliyev and his father granted billions in contracts to such companies as BP-Amoco, ChevronTexaco and ExxonMobil. He also has supported a $3 billion pipeline that is to carry oil from the Caspian to a port in Turkey. According to Mr. Aliyev, Mr. Bush once pronounced him an honorary citizen of Texas in appreciation of his support for American oil companies. Intercepts fromhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A45227-2004Jan24?language=printer*
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 11:40 PM

<what I meant is that we cannot stop Natural instincts. Lions re doing what is ordained by Nature. If they stop killing then the eco system may not survive. However Lion cannot consider itself superior to other creatures.
Lions > Mangoose > Snake > Rat > Insects > smaller insect > virus > Lion
where > means can kill. Therefore wheel has turned a full circle.

Lions don't kill for sadistic pleasure or Greed. They don't kill when they are not hungry. Even here elephant which is a Vegetarian is more mighty than the Lion. Lions killing all animals in the Forest is not justified. >

OK, then if we observe a lion that's both too hungry and stupid as to wipe out his own habitat as well as others' he must be treated as a bad lion and be considered a freak of nature and be dealt with by the little animals.

Of course I'm thinking here more of Animal Farm than evolution.;)
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 12:04 AM

<Excellent article DonQ on Pravda front news piece re Hitler and Bush.
But the lack of outrage isnt a indictment of the indifferent US public but also the developed nations public and those on the Security Council and the UN leader himself.
In fact the UN embargo that has destroyed so many Iraqi children is just as much an indictment on the members of the UN as much as those who are key players. The blindness is universal not just US.
What hope is there for humanity when the most outstanding
effort of the developed world to bring peace on earth is as
sick as any regime that we popularly indict because wanton waste of lives for "progress" and "order".>

Howdy Bader
I've been hitting hard, too hard perhaps and I earned some threats. And I can see you are at it like a champion baseball player, hitting homerun. But what's the point of talking if you are not going to say the truth? Hypocrisy got us around for thousands of years but now it's getting us in trouble. If we all spoke the truth and told the lion like it is, there would be simply no more lion, his mask would fall off and he could no longer catch the little off-guard.

OK, this site is real cool and funny...

"The real trouble with war...is that it gives no one a chance to kill the right people."
- Ezra Pound

I couldn't agree more with that statement.;)

http://www.heartsand.../funpatriot.htm

I'll try to get back to that site later. The subject of "change" interests me quite a bit.

<Regards the awareness of the US public I came across an article
written in US that says "most American mass media most of the time contains little or no foreign news.......the vast majority of Americans will not watch or read news, unless its local news, sports or gossip"- like Sunday papers
"When Americans do have a podium on which to stand and freely express themselves, they rarely have much to say. And when they do few of their fellow citizens are inclined to listen...
...the country is soaked in false, inacurrate distorted and self-adulatory histories." >

Right on the money. And some people even claim to believe it. It's called "hypocrisy"...:cool:

WAR
"Making the world safe for hypocrisy."
- Thomas Wolfe (on the army)

"If any question why we died,
Tell them, because our fathers lied."
- Rudyard Kipling
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 12:17 AM

<Found an enlightening article which covers much of what we have discussed but interesting that someone so high in the establishment banking can be so open although not acknowledging how bad the debt-slavery system is but it easy to see how bad the Lion of world finance is upon the societies.
But is does show there is an alternative for local economies but they must vote with their feet- back their own initiative.

ratical.org/many_worlds/cc/lietaer.html>

So much info, so little time...:confused: Any particular quotes?
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 12:20 AM

<Nor Democrats nor Republicans are interested in how much people pay interest to the banks and how little banks pay people for money deposits. They can talk only safe issue as American obesity, education etc. Nothing meaningful>

You think poisoning the bodies of our children and making people live an unhealthy life is "nothing meaningful"?
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 04:40 AM

So right DonQ,
no point in helping the hypocracy, makes a coop of it.

But I agree with WOJ, the main parties through out West are only going to answer/address the symptims and avoid the causes
to avoid political suicide. If they were serving the people and not vested interests, their only security would be to address the real
issues or get dumped. Not that there are not important issues
as you point out but to ignore the underlying causes just means more ambulances at the bottem of the cliff.

You are not wrong Woj saying Greenspan's decissions are independant. If 5 out of the eight corporations who own the Fed are European and the global corporate power has superceded national/state power we should expect this to be so. Govts are
only important as long as they supply what the movers and shakers of modern freemarket fascism want.
NAFTA is about to re-inforce this. The Canadian and Mexican borders will not have the same meaning, towns will die when factories move, there will be down-turn in various parts as the
new centres of gravity start to wind up. The US will suck life out of the other two so it mightent matter how much Bush burns on
war and forgoes on taxes the vacuum deficit may simply be filled by what Canadians and Mexicans loose. Just more of the same
as what is destablising the rest of the world. Mexicans will take all the low paid jobs in the US and Canada. Low paid jobs will increase because of the surplus/flexible labour market- not meaning employment increase.
Regarding the bodgy elections in countries the US do business with, remember the last US election was one of those and nobody
is making an effort to prevent it from remaining the norm.
Runfeld calls them strategic. I suggest the elections are strategic
in the first place. Like Hussein until the strategy changed. Same with wippingboy Arafat. Bush is just another strategic election.
But new rising star KERRY who is allegedly another Bonesman
of the illuminati type label is two years senior to Bush in that
regard so Bush may have to stand down according to people who have been on the darkside.
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 03:29 PM

Bader;
Americans are not a victims of News and Media (thought they add to the picture) but obedient, religious followers. * God rewards good deeds and punishes the crimes * Yes , no*? As long US is on winning side , Americans every war will be considered as a rightful and needed. Vision US victory in Iraq is faded away, and costs are growing so Americans start to have doubts about necessity war on Iraq. . ." Some intercepts from fredhiatt@washpost.com used not necessary with author intention says;
*Yes, regime change was the policy of President Bill Clinton, and of most Democrats in Congress at that time; it was not just the obsession of right-wing ideologues. There was a bipartisan recognition that Hussein posed a unique danger to the US, to Mideast stability and to the Iraqi people. If the dictator was not constrained, Clinton said in 1998, "he will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And some day, some way, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal." US was in a state of semi-war with Iraq throughout his presidency. It's also true that Clinton didn't know how to implement his stated policy of regime change -- that Bush inherited a strategy with regard to Iraq.
Sanctions , even more than was known, impoverished most Iraqis and isolated civil society. Some candidates now suggest they would have removed Hussein, but in a better way: operating through the United Nations or a Mideast coalition. That would be ideal but quite possibly not achievable, even by a president more dedicated to alliances than Bush. U.N. members include the Saddam Husseins of the world, and as Clinton learned when he decided to rescue Kosovo, U.N. permission cannot always be secured even for the most righteous mission.*BTW; Serb Casts Doubt on Ex-USA Today Reporter
- A Serbian human rights activist on Monday questioned whether USA Today reporter Jack Kelley, who resigned under scrutiny for his reporting of the Kosovo conflict, actually saw a key document he cited as a source.
A 2002 Pulitzer Prize finalist, Kelley had reported from scores of war zones for over a decade. His reporting was investigated for seven months by USA Today last year, whttp://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A48387-2004Jan26?language=printerithout conclusions whether any embellishment or fabrication took place.
So none American Party is clean; Mathematic may say don
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 09:42 PM

<But I agree with WOJ, the main parties through out West are only going to answer/address the symptims and avoid the causes
to avoid political suicide. If they were serving the people and not vested interests, their only security would be to address the real
issues or get dumped. Not that there are not important issues
as you point out but to ignore the underlying causes just means more ambulances at the bottem of the cliff.>

Howdy Bader
I get you know, but we must make sure the people realize *we live in a jungle* and everything is connected and tied up to the lion. He's the same guy I call the "puppeteer"...;)

Just look at another analysis you don't get across everyday...

OK, do we really love the car or is it that we are stuck with it? ;)

>Let us draw a line, if we can, from an SUV driver to a farmer in a poor
>country. The driver drives the sport utility vehicle. The vehicle runs on
>gas. The gas is sold by a multinational oil company. The multinational oil
>company pays heavily into the pockets of politicians all over the world.
>Those politicians in exchange use their political and military power to
>displace farmers from oil rich lands in poor countries in order to
>facilitate the exploitation of oil in those lands.
>
>Now imagine that all of the drivers decided, spontaneously, to stop
>driving SUVs. What would happen? Would the whole system collapse? Or would
>the oil and auto industries find a way with their beholden politicians to
>use every legal and illegal incentive to see to it that the process that
>culminates in their pocketing handsome profits continues?
>
>Why do people drive SUVs? Better still, why do people drive at all? It
>could be that we have a love affair with cars, it's true. But it might
>also be true that the distance from a residence to a grocery, library,
>school, hospital-- all the basic services people need every day-- is too
>far to walk or bicycle and too expensive to reach by cab.
>
>In the absence of a cheap, well-functioning public transportation system,
>even people who hate cars have little choice. The decision to not have a
>sensible city plan and to not have a public transportation system aren't
>issues of individual consumption, but of public policy. Public policy--
>over which we have far too little say and over which elites have far too
>much say-- sets the incentive structure that makes driving much more
>attractive than the other options.

http://lists.indymed...ber/000240.html
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 09:52 PM

> How they've mitigated it is by taxing fuel so much that it's many times
> higher than in the US. Additionally, their tax structures for ALL things
> are higher so that all vehicle-related costs are substantively higher.
> The end result is that the cost of driving is outside the reach of many
> people (at least the quantity of driving as within the US). So yes, if
> you mean to mitgate mobility by punishing the masses with onerous
> taxation in order to control their movements, then there is a way to
> impact total miles driven per year in the US.
>
> Most people outside the Geennicks and socialists see such actions as
> unacceptable.

The dinosaurs saw any effort on the part of the little animals to
provide OPTIONS to all as "undemocratic." Immediately the "law of the
jungle" was re-established, where all animals were once again free to
walk around and step upon everybody else... ;)
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 10:24 PM

Life expectancy at birth total population

Only impartial function summarizing all living conditions for the population are not US opinion on their democracy and human rights but ; Life expectancy at birth total population.
Of course the worse situation is in Africa where countries are still under colonial pressure. The biggest for me surprising is much higher life expectation for China in compare to East Timor.
Example from CIA-The The World Facts.
65.2 East Timor
72,22 China,
76,8 Cuba
80,13 Australia
Argentyna 75, 48
Austria 78,17
Brazil- 67,16
Colombia 71,14
Burma 55,79
Canada 79,82
Japan 80,93
France; 79,28
Ireland 77,34
Finland 77,92
Malayasia 71, 67
Iran 69,, 35
Russia 67,66
Poland 73,91
Congo 50,02
Saudi Arabia-68,73
Spain 79,23
Turkey 71,8
Uk 78,16
US 77,14
India 63,62
Pakistan 62,3
Zimbabwe 39
South Africa 43,9
Kenya 45
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 02:43 AM

Hey Bader, this is from the website you provided before. I saw this movie (koyaanisqatsi) a long time ago. I need to recheck it. Anyways I totally agree with the insensitivity issue. Children are told to follow the lion by many different subtle and not so subtle means, like the Lion King. They ain't told to rebel, and if they are the message is quickly watered down in the end, say like in "Antz." This movie is quite revolutionary but it concludes like another happy-ending love story...:confused:

"koyaanisqatsi"
a state of life that calls for another way of living

I think our whole society tries to stabilize itself by starting out to destroy sensitivity to incoherence starting with very young children. If people could see the vast incoherence that is going on in society they would be disturbed and they would feel the need to do something. If you're not sensitive to it you don't feel disturned and you don't feel you need to do anything.
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 03:06 AM

Again, Bader, very important article. The human being feeding the lion. We can say the lion capitalizes on the only waterhole by obstructing any effort to diversify the water source. The little animals are sold something they don't need, under the promise of a water well that never produces any water, and they are made to work forever to pay back the debt.:confused:

Financing Sustainable Development, by John H. Hotson

{p. 1} INTRODUCTION

As every environmentalist knows, over the last few centuries we humans have created an ecologically unsustainable industrial economy. Unless we radically reform our way of doing things and create a sustainable economic system we are doomed to suffer drastic changes. What most environmentalists--and indeed most economists--do not know is that over the last few centuries we humans have also created an economically unsustainable financial system. Unless we radically reform this financial system it will recurringly break down and thwart our efforts to heal the planet.

Our current financial system diverts us from our real problems to ask, "Where is the money going to come from?" This should be the least of our worries. As long as we have vast unmet human needs and idle human and nonhuman resources, and resources which can be diverted from wasteful activities such as the military, finance should never be allowed to stand in the way of doing what must be done. Could anything be more insane than for the human race to die out because we "couldn't afford" to save ourselves?

(snip)

..."Debt is the new slavery that has shackled the African continent. Sub-Saharan Africa owes approximately $150 billion. Each year, it struggles to pay about one third of the interest which falls due; the rest is simply added to the rising mountain of debt under which the hopes of the subcontinent lie buried.

(snip)

CHARACTERISTICS OF A SUSTAINABLE FINANCIAL SYSTEM

A sustainable financial system is simply one which enables the real economy to be maintained decade after decade and century after century at its full employment potential without recurring inflation/over-indebtedness crises.

more...

http://users.cyberon...yers/money.html
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 03:12 AM

<Americans are not a victims of News and Media (thought they add to the picture) but obedient, religious followers. * God rewards good deeds and punishes the crimes * Yes , no*? As long US is on winning side , Americans every war will be considered as a rightful and needed. Vision US victory in Iraq is faded away, and costs are growing so Americans start to have doubts about necessity war on Iraq. . .">

Nobody minds a war once in a while if it doesn't last too long, and isn't in your neighborhood.
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 03:27 AM

http://www.sharptoons.com/children.htm
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 04:16 AM

<Satan hurled the Assteroid and God ducked.>

Your theory holds water. If Satan hurled the Asteroid then the dinosaurs must have been good, something not coherent with their stupid behavior. Unless you mean that being good is stupid.

It makes more sense to think that God was pissed off at his creation and dumped them so we had a chance.

Another possibility is that dinosaurs were Satan's creation, but that's kind of farfetched...;)
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 07:23 AM

The Book of Foxnews. A public call to stop work and watch the news five times a day. Evening news will be followed by sunday school version for all children under 10. Phone donations/tithing will be tax-deductable. Hymes by heretic Bob Dylan are
forbidden. .......

re Clinton years and Irag. I guess the quotes from Clinton actually show Bush wasnt so fanatical sounding after all but for the psychological effect of Sept 11, his Axis of Evil and the way he went to war without any evidence or investigation on Sept 11 events make him a Jihad Fanatic on a modern day crusade.

It has been argued that one of the criticisms against Clinton was that he wouldnt take action including going to war. One argument is that he didnt want war as part of his record. Perhaps he knows more about the near future than most and has some special new role in mind to play as a world figure. ( I dont mean as the First Man husband to President Hillary)

"Hussein posed a unique threat to the U.S., Middle East stability,
and to the Iraqi people..." and "if not constrained he will conclude that he'll go right on........someday use it..." are both laughable and as stupid as anything said since by Bush and Blair.

If he was a threat why did the US , Britain and European countries
supply him with the hardware that they did. In 1998 when the US pulled the weapoins inspectors out so they could start bombing again Ritter the leading inspector said they had achieved 95-98% success in destroying what existed re WMD.

Others have said that after the 1991 war there wasnt much left
and the embargo made it impossible for them to rebuild, so seven years later Clintons statement was just propoganda. The countries infrastructure was destroyed so how are they able to rebuild a military complex capable of threatening anyone. The claim of "some time in the future" is aimed at the gullible majority
who take news readers at face value and wouldnt even be able to point to Iraq or Kosovo on a map.

From notes I made from an article about Brezenzinski, father-
creator of the Mujahedin- the prototype Muslim fundamentalist terrorist- claimed that the reason Iraq was to be destroyed is because it was a secular society and had gained some standing- offering a wrong rollmodel as he got the better of the Islamis fundamentalist regime of Iran although no real victory. Brez
planned to use the fundamentalist terrorist to destablize Russia
(USSR) China and india. It proved it worth in the Soviet - Afghan war and fundamentally the same tactics were used to destabilize Jugoslavia and the creation of the false claimes to bomb the Kosovo Serbs etc. Obviously the Chechnyan situation and the encroachment of the US into Georgia, the Muslim Siakiang
province of western China are playgrounds of the future.
Might sound a bit far fetched but it is a fact though little known that the US is funding fundamental muslim school material in Afghanistan- not secular material.
Also consider that Saudi Arabia from where most of the alleged
19 terrorists of sept 11 came from, and known to fund fundamantalist terrorist training was the most likely place not Afghanistan to be invaded after sept 11. Not so, it might have if it was secular. No muslim country has more fundamentalism than S.A.
Why? Well the game cannot go on if there is no basis to cry wolf and justify a preventive strike. The argument given in the article was that fundamentalist muslim education/culture is a good means of dumbing down the populas as the western education system aimed at children as we have been hearing about from DonQ. Apparently flueride isnt enough on its own.

REgarding the materialistic culture of the west and its dependance on oil reflects the debt money system and the political ploy of taxing the effects is a parallel of taxing the public to pay the debt. Same complex but if one doesnt understand the money thing we will divide up into factions fighting symptims while the Lions sleeps soundly knowing the outcome as sure as any cooking recipe book.

Thanks Donq for putting the Prof. Hotsons article/net site more userfriendly.
I tried to revisit the ratical one but along with some others some how they werent accessible according to my websearch engine.
I originally got to it through references in the content of an article which I didnt seem to have recorded. The home page wasnt helpful.
Sharptoon is very sharp, very clever.
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