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#1921 donquijote

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 03:52 AM

<Wait a sec, does this mean an asteroid is going to destroy the US and all the "little" countries will survive? Hahahaha.

You guys really make me smile.>

No, we will all--except for a few cavemen--die because of you. The ones that will survive will be the roaches. This story documenting what happened, will be found by the descendants of the cavemen in the year 5099, and will teach them to cooperate in order to survive...;)
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Posted 30 January 2004 - 04:36 AM

The recent clash between Blair and the BBC, was only the beginning. Tyranny 1-Democracy 0.

"But the war over the war in Iraq isn't really about the facts, or 45 minutes, or what went wrong with the intelligence, or who believed what when. It's a titanic clash of beliefs, between those who think the war was generally a good thing, and those who think it was rash, or dangerous, or opportunistic, or colonialist, or downright evil. It is not, mainly, about Iraq at all. It is a giant referendum on George Bush and the United States, and on those who chose to stand with them. And of one thing you can be sure: That war won't end any time soon."

http://www.globeandm.../International/
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Posted 30 January 2004 - 01:33 PM

Bader; Hey talk about democricy (political hypocricy).

Rat tells truth about
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Posted 30 January 2004 - 01:41 PM

Donq; we die because of you
<Wait a sec, does this mean an asteroid is going to destroy the US and all the "little" countries will survive? Hahahaha.

I know this in shorter form;


BETTER RED THAN DEAD. More Hahaha.
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Posted 30 January 2004 - 06:09 PM

If the war is between them (Coalition of liers and fools) and us
(sick of being lied to, sick of crimes against humanity by state terrorism) then it is one sided and the stuff media moguls make profits out of because the "littlepeople" who have had enough dont have any big-guns (leaders)nor guns , the big guns and the guns are on the side of the establishment where the financial gain is.
"the forty five minutes" is not the time Saddam was capable
of putting together some WMD as the lie goes but the time it takes for a professional report to be doctored for spin and propoganda and on the editors desk ready to tell the world.
Some of the countries in the Coalition had a majority of citizens against the war in Irag. Democracy doesnt exist between election days.
Humanity cant even look to the UN it is a whorehouse. Humanity only has the NET, thats our only gun. (for how long)

I dont believe Lewinsky (those darn Poles again) nor the Golan Heights have anything to do with Jugoslavia/Kosovo.
Jugoslavia appears to be a sudsidiary of the grand strategic
operation as outlined by Trilateral Commissions Brezinsky (British rat WOJ?) for Eurasian core with all the gas and oil. Part of the deal as has been argued is that they did the Muslims a favaour
to court them in that corner of the world. My guess is that they ( militant muslims will remain the key to destabize Russia who obviously are the losers, hense developments in Georgia and the
open wound of Chechnya.
They are recruiting white muslims and training them as we speak.
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Posted 30 January 2004 - 07:28 PM

<If the war is between them (Coalition of liers and fools) and us
(sick of being lied to, sick of crimes against humanity by state terrorism) then it is one sided and the stuff media moguls make profits out of because the "littlepeople" who have had enough dont have any big-guns (leaders)nor guns , the big guns and the guns are on the side of the establishment where the financial gain is.
"the forty five minutes" is not the time Saddam was capable
of putting together some WMD as the lie goes but the time it takes for a professional report to be doctored for spin and propoganda and on the editors desk ready to tell the world.
Some of the countries in the Coalition had a majority of citizens against the war in Irag. Democracy doesnt exist between election days.
Humanity cant even look to the UN it is a whorehouse. Humanity only has the NET, thats our only gun. (for how long)>

Howdy Bader
You've presented a better State of the World in a few words, than any State of the Nation in 2 hours. Sadly you present the real picture.

The lion admits no competition. He wants BBC to become a lapdog...;)

"the BBC must resist ministers' attempts to tame it."

And this is what I propose...

'TV and radio should be independent of Big Business and the State. (This is due to two reasons: culturally, because the ratings make bad programs become "good"... for business; and, politically, because whoever has power over the media... will be in power; however, people should be able to watch anything on video and cable; the BBC offers us and example of an independent media.) The "Free Press" should be democratized, so that, among other things, the censorship of the opinions of the public is eradicated.'

BBC seeks new bosses as "lapdog" warnings swirl
Fri 30 January, 2004 14:56

LONDON (Reuters) - The search has begun for two new BBC leaders amid fears its journalists will be muzzled in the fallout from the biggest crisis in its history.

Former Director General Greg Dyke, who resigned on Thursday after the public broadcaster was damned in the Hutton report into the death of weapons expert David Kelly, said all media should take careful note.

"I think every journalistic organisation, every newspaper, every broadcaster in this country should be concerned," Dyke said on Friday.

"Someone inside of government, inside of the civil service who has very real concerns -- as Dr Kelly had -- could not be broadcast unless you could demonstrate that their concerns were true," he told the BBC Today programme.

Kelly killed himself last year after being exposed as the source for a BBC report that Prime Minister Tony Blair's government had knowingly exaggerated the threat from Saddam Hussein's illegal weapons to bolster the case for war.

Dyke, a plain-speaking populist whose "cut the crap" campaign to boost creativity won respect from staff stifled by years of bureaucracy, was mobbed by tearful employees when he toured the newsroom for the last time.

He and BBC chairman Gavyn Davies resigned after judge Lord Hutton condemned the broadcaster in his report this week into Kelly's suicide.

"SELF-CENSORSHIP"

Widespread concern was expressed on Friday that the top two jobs would be filled by Blair placemen and that the BBC's will to break stories embarrassing to the government would be sapped.

But the 82-year-old BBC, a source of national pride to millions of Britons who affectionately call it the "Beeb", will overcome pressure to dilute its journalism, commentators said.

"There is a danger of self-censorship," said Martin Bell, a former BBC correspondent. "But it will bounce back.

"They have to dust themselves down and resume hard-hitting, investigative journalism, bearing in mind the lessons that had to be learned," he told Reuters.

Austin Mitchell, a parliamentarian with Blair's Labour Party, said the BBC must resist ministers' attempts to tame it.

"Good journalism cannot be carried on as if it was a legal process with affidavits and cross checking," he told the Guardian newspaper.

(snip)

Culture Secretary Tessa Jowell said she didn't want the BBC to become a "lapdog", but added the Hutton report would figure in the review.

http://www.reuters.c...42&section=news
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Posted 31 January 2004 - 04:02 AM

Howdy DonQ:
Im not up on the details of this saga, but if there is a big todo about the BBC and resignations then where is the resignation of Blair and the truth about Kelly.
It is hyposcrisy for a media boss to be judged and not Blair. The Crown should suspend Blair from office until the matter of lying has bben cleared, and if found guilty he should resign in disgrace.

I agree there needs to be a third way regarding news and public opinion to keep govt and cororates honest.

Howdy Woj:
re the super-science weapons mentioned recently, do a google search on "ultraviolet laser tesla weapon secrets" and you will get a host of references with some excellent stuff.
Some have claimed that the Russians are well in the lead which might be why the US/Zionists are using muslim terrorism/fundamentalism to destablise the vital part of Eurasia
and Sept 11 to justify the intrusion and establishments of bases
throughout the area.
I found this group via a site which was focusing on the flight 77 that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon as some photos showed up a lot of untraviolet lighting which indicated more than /other than a plane involved.
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Posted 31 January 2004 - 01:53 PM

Donq/Bader;

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Posted 31 January 2004 - 07:01 PM

<Im not up on the details of this saga, but if there is a big todo about the BBC and resignations then where is the resignation of Blair and the truth about Kelly.
It is hyposcrisy for a media boss to be judged and not Blair. The Crown should suspend Blair from office until the matter of lying has bben cleared, and if found guilty he should resign in disgrace.>

Howdy Bader
Well, you summed it up pretty good. Remember the story of how the laws are set up to benefit the lion? The lion asks the foxes to come up with laws, and these laws, rather than defend the little animals, are used to comdemn them. It's the Law of the Jungle however you put it.

We can't say though the UK has become a Banana Republic, just a Banana Kingdom...;)

<I agree there needs to be a third way regarding news and public opinion to keep govt and cororates honest.>

Yeap, independent strong media for the whole wide world.
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Posted 31 January 2004 - 08:31 PM

"Good job, boy, good job," must be the lion saying to the Hyenas...;)

THE HYENAS ARE NO LAUGHING MATTER

One day, before written history, a group of Hyenas got together after an unsuccessful chase, and sat down to revise their strategy... "We are a bunch of losers," said one. "The Little Animals are used to running free and we can't catch up with them," added another. "OK," said a third, "what we need is someone who keeps them obedient due to his royal manners... Have you noticed how the Lion roars and all the Little Animals tremble?"

Well, that's how the King of the Jungle and the Hyenas became the best of friends... Of course, the Hyenas became so happy when the Lion offered them his leftovers that they exploded in laughters and decided to declare the Law of the Jungle the best law there's ever been--for the Lion...

Labour ministers bay for more blood

ANGUS HOWARTH

MAGNANIMITY in victory sounds great in principle - but as a policy, it was flatly rejected by Labour ministers who have queued up to crow over the BBC-s misery.

Being presented with the head of Gavyn Davis, the BBC chairman, and then that of Greg Dyke, the corporation-s director general, was not enough to satisfy ministers.

Instead, they sang along to the tune set by Alastair Campbell, who toured London television studios yesterday to issue a warning against practitioners of the kind of "bad journalism" which irked him while he was communications director to Tony Blair, the Prime Minister.

John Reid, the Health Secretary, has also been omnipresent on the airwaves since the publication of Lord Hutton-s report which came down so squarely on the side of the government when it was presented on Wednesday.

Mr Reid left no doubt that he wanted to see more resignations than just that of Mr Davis. "If you-re asking me honestly, if this level of criticism had been levelled at the government then I don-t think I would have been around this morning, as a member of the War Cabinet," he said.

This raised the implausible idea that, had Lord Hutton found words of criticism for the Prime Minister, it would have led to a cleanout of his entire Cabinet. A low threshold for resigning, it seems.

Little matter that Mr Reid had helped Mr Blair tell Britain that Saddam Hussein was in possession of weapons of mass destruction - an assertion fast turning out to be unfounded.

more...

http://news.scotsman...fm?id=115362004
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Posted 01 February 2004 - 03:42 AM

Really enjoyed your last posts, Woj, DonQ.
We can regularly get a good laugh from your comments DonQ,
nice after all the otherwise seriousness of the madness of the most powerful and most educated people who are getting more like lemmings in their suicidal frenzy as time goes by.
Trouble is there will be more dead-collateral damage- left on the land behind them as they myoptically leap into the sea.

Good points Woj.
Yugoslavia is beautiful. (from photos)
I knew ZB was Polish, just getting in a dig where possible. I see
Soros paid a handsome sum towards buying newe politics in Georgia, or perhpas that was already mentioned. Why try and create it if you can buy if off his shelf?

If democracy was operating truely Blair wouldnt get away with it.
The general public taker their cue from the media or leaders of main parties but as the US if the Democrats and in Britain the Conservatisives are not interested in playing their opposition role
a minority of concerned citizens will get nowhere.
JUst compare Nixon and his impeachment with Clinton and Bush
and it is obvious how far the world model for democracy Iraq and everyone is expected to emulate have fallen.

Just read an article by Joe Vials about Falklands oil and inpassing it mentioned an incident where a Iraqi woman pired a AK 47 in the air as Hussein passed standing in an open jeep-public parade and he nodded his acknowledgement of her support. Raises a huge question about his security if hated so much in a country where citizens can own military weapons- in comparison with the
so called inlightened west.

Well at least John Reid the Health Minister was honest about the
effect of official criticism of the Labour Cabinet. The brief of Lord
Hutton is unknown but there still is the question of the establishment being relied on the judge itself. Why cant the matter be put to a public based forum so the people are seen to be in command?
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Posted 01 February 2004 - 12:46 PM

Donq/Bader; "Good job, boy, good job," must be the lion saying to the Hyenas...

Pope even blessed Cheney, in hoping for good tip for Vatican investment in Halliburton company.

Polish president Kwasniewski is also great hyena
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Posted 01 February 2004 - 07:00 PM

One could expect these lieing leaders and defiries of public
oppinion will get rewards of support when they have to face their next election or perhaps just a swiss bank account otherwise
the wont be so willing to serve hypocricy.

In the light of the Hutton whitewash someone has come to light with a BBC news report from way back in 6/6/03 which referred to a Pentagon report in Sept 02 that said that there was no reliable evidence that Iraq did have WMD, so Bush, Cheney ,Powell and Blair have all been knowingly lying since then.

The Scotsman reported that even Labour MPs were taken aback by the Hutton report.
The govt chosde those who investigated DR Kelly's death and Hutton. Democricy is now stronger.
THat basically means that the two wars all the thousands of deaths-collateral damge, destruction of the nations infastructure,
radiation sickness for generations are all acceptable.
Blairs exoneration splills over onto Bush naturally.
That leaves the Kuwaiti Roayals who set the game rolling to
exonrate themselves now that the whole mess in now in their laps, and they are neighbours. I am sure what it says about Arabs is not what the common Arab feels is acceptable, well if they think our leaders are bad they know all leaders are the same if this goes unchecked. A line has been drawn. Either
they go along further and ignore it or they will try to bring reforms and a rule of law.
Unfortunately it may all be stage manager to bring down a world govt of the same people to enforce global law over all sovereign nations- N W Oder.

Woj: there is deep unbeleif that a 747 could do what damage was doent to the Pentagon. A number of sites have examined it and maginfiy different points.
try:
thewebfairy.com/killtown/oddities.html
which also gives a concise summary of Zig Brezenzsky's strategy
as well.
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Posted 01 February 2004 - 08:12 PM

STill keeping the thread going, I see. I'm a little too busy to keep up with you guys but hope you don't mind if I interject once in awhile.

>>>Remember the story of how the laws are set up to benefit the lion? The lion asks the foxes to come up with laws, and these laws, rather than defend the little animals, are used to comdemn them. It's the Law of the Jungle however you put it.<<<

This reminded my of our city councils latest perk and how arrogant governments have become, even at the municipal level.

They recently voted to increase the parking meter rates in our downtown area and extend the hours that are in effect.

Their next action was to enact the use of a parking exempt sticker for their car windows. (Only to be active when on City business, of course!!!)

Laws are no longer made with the idea of protecting the freedom of people to pursue life in safety. They are more concerned with collecting revenues and have made that the primary consideration, above all else, in the enacting of legislation. The best laws today are those that criminalize the largest percentage of the citizenry, resulting in the highest returns in terms of fines.

It is a bigger crime to not pay fines to government than for manslaughter or rape.

Of course they have taken away our ability to protect ourselves from harm in the way of protecting the rights of criminals, who are not criminals until they are tried and convicted, and by gun control laws that are just below total confiscation of all guns.
Then they tell us that if we do not take action to protect ourselves with alarm systems, immobilization devices for our vehicles and any other legal means (Basically further taxing the citizenry) then the system will not bother to protect them. The police will not concern themselves nor will insurance cover you.

You are basically on your own, which is what the citizens of LA learned during the riot in the nineties. The police would not go into areas where people were looting and rioting. Concerned and threatened shop owners were told they were on their own when they phoned 911. Probably a few people changed their mind about gun controls during that period.
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Posted 02 February 2004 - 12:25 AM

Howdy Pliny, good to hear from you again.
Thanks for a good post.
I can understand what you are describing. I am not alone in calling it fascism. The "free" world no longer has any protection from govt. We will have the opportunity in due course to accept the opportunity for "protection" from global govt which Lenin
dreamed of. (when a wolf pack will replace the fox)
Remember the story of the gingerbread man who got a lift from a fox to cross the stream and as the water got highter he had to move closer to the fox's mouth. Pure evolutional chance, a what?
The public are a captured market, just like privatising water,
telephone, power, health etc. Although the public paid for the building of these infastructures which private business couldnt afford, they now screw us, firstly for returns/profit margins that have nothing to do with the market or compettition, high salaries
for the top end plus huge bonuses and then the huge bureaucracy justifying the salaries and bonuses- castle building, then the service which is the core industry takes whats left which results in less security/less people fully covered- growth in third world sectors in the developed world.
The model was set by usury banking and has been not only adopted by the corporate world but also public sectors when they adopted the market model.
Its like layers of protection rackets.
We are all manning the oars on a Roman galley now, even the
left wing has prostituted itself to fascism but that is not suprising
since fascism ( a joint venture between corporatism and state to screw the public) uses socialism being a synthesis of capitalism v
socialism dialectic struggle which was financed by the international bankers.
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Posted 02 February 2004 - 12:26 AM

de Machy /Badder;
You questioned using earth quake inducing bombs by US/UK in Yugoslavia or Iraq/Iran. In your opinion, Pentagon is not able to do it and this is only call for money.
It is not true.
During WWII Hitler manufactured V1 rockets in Peenem?nde and new Wernher von Braun constructions ; V2 and V3 in Calais.

UK and US used 150 airplanes with power o inducing earth quake bombs type Lancaster to destroy underground factory built in rock mountains. Hitler used few thousand prisoners to build the factory.
UK/US had no hesitation to use their bombs although they knew that they would kill few thousand prisoners .
deMachy was right saying that US/UK didn
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Posted 02 February 2004 - 01:25 AM

<We can regularly get a good laugh from your comments DonQ,
nice after all the otherwise seriousness of the madness of the most powerful and most educated people who are getting more like lemmings in their suicidal frenzy as time goes by.>

Thanks Bader
We just got to make the best of it, and even laugh in the face of danger, as we are powerless to stop this suicidal frenzy.

<If democracy was operating truely Blair wouldnt get away with it.
The general public taker their cue from the media or leaders of main parties but as the US if the Democrats and in Britain the Conservatisives are not interested in playing their opposition role
a minority of concerned citizens will get nowhere.
JUst compare Nixon and his impeachment with Clinton and Bush
and it is obvious how far the world model for democracy Iraq and everyone is expected to emulate have fallen.>

Why hasn't the White House, the American Media decried the new *censorship* in Great Britain, the Empire that used to pride in freedom? But this a dangerous game for the lion, for when democracy goes, his mask falls off, and you can see his teeth and paws, I mean unless you are afraid of him or benefit from his scraps.;)

This is a very interesting article. A few fragments...

Power, Propaganda and Conscience in the War on Terror
by John Pilger

(snip)

I am a reporter, who values bearing witness. That is to say, I place paramount importance in the evidence of what I see, and hear, and sense to be the truth, or as close to the truth as possible. By comparing this evidence with the statements, and actions of those with power, I believe it-s possible to assess fairly how our world is controlled and divided, and manipulated v and how language and debate are distorted and a false consciousness developed.

When we speak of this in regard to totalitarian societies and dictatorships, we call it brainwashing: the conquest of minds. It-s a notion we almost never apply to our own societies. Let me give you an example. During the height of the cold war, a group of Soviet journalists were taken on an official tour of the United States. They watched TV; they read the newspapers; they listened to debates in Congress. To their astonishment, everything they heard was more or less the same. The news was the same. The opinions were the same, more or less. ?How do you do it?
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Posted 02 February 2004 - 01:49 AM

<STill keeping the thread going, I see. I'm a little too busy to keep up with you guys but hope you don't mind if I interject once in awhile.>

Howdy Pliny, au contrairie, do chip in.

>>>Remember the story of how the laws are set up to benefit the lion? The lion asks the foxes to come up with laws, and these laws, rather than defend the little animals, are used to comdemn them. It's the Law of the Jungle however you put it.<<<

<Laws are no longer made with the idea of protecting the freedom of people to pursue life in safety. They are more concerned with collecting revenues and have made that the primary consideration, above all else, in the enacting of legislation. The best laws today are those that criminalize the largest percentage of the citizenry, resulting in the highest returns in terms of fines.

It is a bigger crime to not pay fines to government than for manslaughter or rape.>

Right on. Laws have become clever devices--perfectly legal--for dispossesing the people from their natural rights--and money. You are forbidden from "loittering" at scenic places which are inhabited by the lions, sleeping at the beach--or where you do is not safe--or parking where you need. Where I live, more than 8 parking spaces remain free--labeled as loading zone, when it's not--while we the residents are ticketed and towed away. Two cars ran that fate the other day. The lion attacked without warning, maybe $200 bucks right there. Where the "beautiful people" live though they are free to park. It looks to me like the laws are made by the lion and for the lion...;)

We the little people are not new to terrorism, we always lived under terror...
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Posted 02 February 2004 - 03:33 AM

"1984" is becoming a reality, not in some remote place, but right in England...:confused:

The Bad News, "The future of British journalism is very bleak."

The Good News, "The future for fake and farcical war propaganda is quite bright indeed."

"The bleak future for British journalism" portends darkness for journalists everywhere - the threat to the last great open platform for hard investigative reporting.

M'Lord Hutton blesses Blair's attack on BBC's investigation of Iraq war claims
By Greg Palast

Blair feels vindicated

He did not say "hello", or even his name, just left a one-word message: "Whitewash."

It came from an embattled journalist whispering from inside the bowels of a television and radio station under siege, on a small island off the coast of Ireland: from BBC London.

And another call, from a colleague at The Guardian: "The future of British journalism is very bleak."

However, the future for fake and farcical war propaganda is quite bright indeed. Lord Hutton issued his report that followed an inquiry revealing the Blair government's manipulation of intelligence to claim that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass murder threatening immanent attack on London.

Based on the Blair government's claim, headlines pumped the war hysteria: SADDAM COULD HAVE NUCLEAR BOMB IN YEAR, screeched the London Times. BRITS 45 MINS FROM DOOM, shrieked the Sun newspaper.

Given these facts, only a sissy pacifist, a lunatic or a Saddam fellow traveller would fail to see that Prime Minister "Winston" Blair had no choice but to reconquer Britain's former Mesopotamian colony.

But these headlines were, in fact, false, and deadly so. Unlike America's press puppies, BBC reporters thought it their duty to check out these life or death claims. Reporters Andrew Gilligan and Susan Watts contacted a crucial source, Britain's and the United Nation's top weapons inspector. He told reporter Watts that the weapons of mass destruction claims by Blair and our own President Bush were, "all spin". Gilligan went further, reporting that this spin, this "sexed-up" version of intelligence, was the result of interventions by Blair's PR henchman, Alistair Campbell.

Whatever reading of the source's statements, it was clear that intelligence experts had deep misgivings about the strength of the evidence for war.

The source? Dr David Kelly. To save itself after the reports by Gilligan and Watts, the government, including the prime minister himself, went on an internal crusade to out the name of its own intelligence operative so it could then discredit the news items.

Publishing the name of an intelligence advisor is serious stuff. In the USA, a special criminal prosecutor is now scouring the White House to find the person who publicly named a CIA agent. If found, the Bushite leaker faces jail time.

Blair's government was not so crude as to give out Dr Kelly's name. Rather, they hit on a subterfuge of dropping clues, then allowing reporters to play '20 questions' - if Kelly's name were guessed, they'd confirm it. Only the thickest reporters (I name none here) failed after more than a couple tries.

Dr Kelly, who had been proposed for knighthood, was named, harangued and his career destroyed by the outing. He then took his own life.

But today is not a day of mourning at 10 Downing Street, rather a day of self-congratulations.

There were no weapons of mass destruction, no nuclear warhead just short of completion, no "45 minutes to doom" bombs auguring a new London blitz. The exile group which supplied this raw claim now calls the 45-minute story, "a crock of shit".

Yet Blair's minions are proclaiming their vindication.

This is not just a story about what is happening "over there" in the United Kingdom. This we must remember: David Kelly was not only advisor to the British but to the UN and, by extension, the expert for George W Bush. Our commander-in-chief leaped to adopt the Boogey Man WMD stories from the Blair government when our own CIA was reticent.

So M'Lord Hutton has killed the messenger: the BBC. Should the reporter Gilligan have used more cautious terms? Some criticism is fair. But the extraordinary import of his and Watts's story is forgotten: our two governments bent the information then hunted down the questioners.

And now the second invasion of the Iraq war proceeds: the conquest of the British Broadcasting Corporation. Until now, this quasi-governmental outlet has refused to play Izvestia to any prime minister, Labour or Tory.

As of today, the independence of the most independent major network on this planet is under attack. Blair's government is "cleared" and now arrogantly sport their kill, the head of Gavyn Davies, BBC's chief, who resigned Wednesday.

"The bleak future for British journalism" portends darkness for journalists everywhere - the threat to the last great open platform for hard investigative reporting. And frankly, it's a worrisome day for me. I'm not a disinterested bystander. My most important investigations, all but banned from US airwaves, were developed and broadcast by BBC Newsnight, reporter Watts's programme.

Will an iron curtain descend on the news? Before dawn today, I was reading Churchill's words to the French command in the hours before the Panzers breached the defences of Paris. Churchill told those preparing to surrender: "Whatever you may do, we shall fight on forever and ever and ever." This may yet be British journalism's finest hour.

- Greg Palast is the author of the New York Times bestseller, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy. His reports for BBC Newsnight and The Guardian papers and other writings may be viewed at www.GregPalast.com

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 04:05 AM

"Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you."

Greg Palast, author of "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy."

Wake-Up Call
by Mark Gemmell

There's an old expression: Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you. Since reading the new, expanded edition of Greg Palast's The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, I would amend that to: If you're not paranoid, you're not paying attention.

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These are all stories the mainstream U.S. press rarely cover until they can no longer be avoided. Even then, what we get in most cases is a corporate-ordered whitewash. (Who do you suppose owns the media?) Palast is eyes-wide-open journalism. I find myself thinking it's more information than I really wanted, even though it's what I've always suspected. Reader beware.

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