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#1961 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 02:15 PM

Bader; Your outrageous on first theory become quite reasonable when you see financial fact;

UK
GDP/per capital(2001 ) 21,2K
Purchasing power parity - $1.528 trillion (!)
England military expenditures . $31.7 billion
Population below powerty line 17%. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.odci.gov/...ok/geos/uk.html

N Zeland:
GDP/per capital 17,7 K
Purchasing power parity $78.4 billion
military expenditures only $605 milion
population below powerty line n/ad. I think it might be meaningless.

In UK, the Labor party is in power longer than 1997 ( I see name Blair here.)


If democratic and so rich country
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#1962 Bader

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 08:10 PM

Howdy Woj,
I didnt give any theory, I told you the historical facts. Later when
those of the Labour Party who supported Mickie Savage in 1935
in the use of the Reserve Bank for the people of NZs interest (not
International Bankers world control) formed with others who were monetary reformers but not inclined to form a party a
political opposition called Social Credit League, based on the policy of Reserve Bank credit to mainatin sovereignty and affordability for vertually everyone (social justice- employment,free education right through to University, free health which included clinics and nurses for young mothers/babies in every community, benefits and pensions which began under Savage, Australian born) and the representatives if elected would vote on -outside monetary reform - what ever their electorates supported. That quasi-party was attacked over their
monetary policy inspite of the fact it put NZ back on its feet about 15 years before and it was always claimed that govt just printing
money (which banks only did anyway but the public largely still doesnt know) was bad and inflationary
yet no one produced any statistics to show the first Labour govt
created any inflation. They certainly would have had it been so.
The borrower is slave to the lender- Old Testament warning
You are right with the stats you produced, which shows that the
international bankers control the economies not the govts.
In NZ we have three people who monitor our Reserve Bank which
is basically autonimous from govt control, who are elected by the
international bankers to ensure their policy guidelines are adherred to and the public dont know this and probabaly most MPs.
Debt beats occupation armies, KGBs and prison systems anyday.
Just a bit harder when the country happens to have huge oil resources and thus doesnt need to borrow from the Lion banker.
(drink from the central controlled waterhole) So the debtor nation with the biggest stick is used to bring them into line.
Just as an aside:
The Iraq experience may well also be a demonstration to others who dont want to join the club but the Lybian "come clean" act
is just that- an act for favours. They have no weapons programme outside of information on paper, they havent even began. Bit like President Carter admitting he had lustful thoughts towards a woman other than his wife, the western media today would have gone off about a rapist who had reformed such is their extravigant distorting of issues/information.
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Posted 07 February 2004 - 08:26 PM

The Arabs have access to huge amounts of money to buy media
industry the same as the Zionists have and done. The fact they have chosen not to remains a mystery, similar the reason why Saudi Arabia continues to back the US directly and thus Israel less directly is also a mystery to the public. It has been claimed the SA royals have a Jewish line.
But the Arab nations biggest problem is their factionalism which is
the reason the Iraqis are where they are today, not Hussein.
I doubt there is an Arab state that has spent on health and education what Hussein did and to allow the people to own automatic weapons. There is not other Arab state that would take such a risk or allow any freedom of democracy because it would inevitably lead to the royal or Funfamentalist dictators being overthrown.
The two most destroyed secular states that have been the most promising for progressive and modern states are both in ruins-
Zionist policy- they are Lebanon and Iraq. An the US says it wants more democracy while they serve Zionist interests.
Is Saudi Arabian record regards politcal prisoners any better than Iraq? Same around the world, regimes backed by the US.
What chance has the Plestinians got with a King Rat in charge
who is probably more despotic than Hussein. He is an US/Israel
stooge to ensure no genuine democratic political party ever gets
any serious support just like all the other fly-blown jobs put up by the US power abused by an elite.
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Posted 08 February 2004 - 06:26 AM

Howdy Woj:

quoting from Pof. Carrol Quigley, Bill Clinton's Georgetown mentor
who he mentioned in his inaugural address at the start of his presidency:
Tragedy And Hope
page 324
"In addition to these pragmatic goals, the powere of financial
capitalismhad another far-reaching aim, nothing less thanto create a world system of financial controlin private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This sytem was to be controlled in a fuedalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The Apex of the system was to be the bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank,
in the hands of men like Montagu Norman of the Bank of England, Benjamin Strong of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, Charles
Rist of the Bank of France, and Hjalmar Schacht of the Reich Bank,
sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence
the level of of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."
2nd paragraph below that:
"The B.I.S. is generally regarded as the apex of the structure of financial capitalism whose remote origins go back to the creation of the Bank of England in 1694 and the Bank of France in 1803."

Page325
"The Commander in Chief of the World system of banking control was Montagu Norman, Governor of the Bank of England, who was built up by the private bankers to a position where he was regarded as an oracle in all matters of government and business.
In the government the power od the Bank of England was a considerable restriction on political action as early as 1819 but an effort to break this power by a modification of the banks chater in 1844 failed. In 1952, Gladstone, then Chancellor of the Exchequer and later Prime Minister, declared, "The hinge of the whole situation was this: the goverment was not to be a substantive power in matters of finance, but was to leave the Money Power supreme and unquestioned."
The power of the Bank of England and of its governor was admitted by most qualified observers. In January, 1924, Reginal McKenna, who had been Chancellor of the Exchequer in 1915-1916, as chairman of the board of the Midland Bank told stockholders: "I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can, and do, create money.......And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of governments and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people".
".....On November 11, 1927, the Wall Street Journal called Mr Norman "the currency dictator of Europe."
...."But Mr Norman held the position for twenty-four years (1920-1944), during which he became the chief achitect of the liquidation of Britain's global preeminance."

This makes it very clear who controls the world, the British Empire etc and when they have finished with the US they will be
retired as well as they must if they are to have world govt.
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Posted 08 February 2004 - 01:09 PM

Why US doesn
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Posted 08 February 2004 - 01:17 PM

Bader;
Future of Arab countries depends from Turkey. If Turkey finally realizes that supporting
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Posted 08 February 2004 - 07:09 PM

Page 324 and 325? From what book? Looks interesting!
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Posted 09 February 2004 - 05:01 AM

Hey WOJ what about the British Empire?
We will offer free lead pencils to all school children which the UN embargosed against Iraqi school kids because they could be converted into WMD. I guess those dweebs could only think of that old saying "fill them full of lead" from western movies.

What we are seeing is the resurrection of Greater Israel. I seen a quote from an Australian businessman who was in Iraq looking to invest and he found that the Israelis control who gets what.
They will never have the numbers to ocupy but they can control the financial/investment/business/internal security and the key polies just as they do in the US.
I have previously posted a quote from Golda Miers book which
was about a Rabbi speach at a Canadian Zionist meeting she attended many years ago in which it was plainly stated that their goal wasnt the Holyland but the Oil/Gas which corresponds with Brzezinskis strategic plan- capture the Euraisian centre ground with the strategic assets. If you control the money you can buy US kids off US politicians for real war games and rope in Mexicans on the promise of a green card.

Turkey isnt so pro-US now since their last change of govt when a
more fundamentalist party got in, guess they have got sick of
peeing in the pocket of the guy standing on top of Arabs and moslims. They resisted US pressure to allow the US to strike from there and now they will be pleased now the world knows it was
blatant aggression unprovoked and compared to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, provoked and they didnt destroy the country going around shooting civilians and no one calls for the Sherriff and the Law and everyone has forgotten Molisivic who also is in jail for spitting on the pavement compared to what Bush and Blair have done.
Its a real punch and Judy show with everyone focusing on the
lies (minor things) now it is indicated, while they couldn't make that decision until now, believing everything the western press said, and while they are still congratulating themselves on their perception and reconfirming the lies the real issue is going on buy all over again- the invasion and crimes against humanity.
No talk of the Hague jail, no talk of taking their prey off them,
no talk of reparation and no thought for "what goes around comes around".
Because Bush and Blair wear suits and ties and are of top materialistic Western nations they must be good; and dark skinned people, unshaven, wearing towels on their heads and gowns, they are obviously bad, even evil particularly if they dont belive that materialism is all there is to life.
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Posted 09 February 2004 - 05:09 AM

Howdy Pliny,
The above is the name of the book, which was in my post.
Printed by MacMillan Co, NY. Copywrite 1966. Over 1300 pages.
GSG & Associates, po Box 6448, Rancho Palos Verdes,
California 90734
have their details printed on the page with printing history. They sell tapes, videos and books.
Quigley had access to material few outside of the likes of the
FRC would have access to.
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Posted 09 February 2004 - 07:14 AM

Thanks!
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Posted 09 February 2004 - 08:19 AM

Bush and Blair are trailblasers.
Here's some good samples from websites:

" In a recent quote by Dr Johannes B. Koeppl, Phd, former German Defence Ministry official and advisor to former NATO SEcretary General Manfred Werner, we find an alarming admission. DR Koeppl reportedly said, "The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission- founded by Bryzezinski for David Rockefeller- and the Bilderbergers Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens." We must also consider the words of U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annon when he said " A world government can intervene militarily in the internal affairs of any nation when it disapproves of their activities." Considering all of the above, we can understand more clearly what Time Magazine meant when they said "The Bush Administration would like to make ther U.N. a cornerstone of its plans to construct a New World Order."

THe Time quote came from its Sept 17, 1990 issue.

So the UN cant condemn the US for intervening against a bad leader because it wants this power and so Bush has done the same as in the case of Molicivic. They (UN) have already used Iraq for reinforcing the precedent of devastating sanctions and bombings and occuation established over the bodies of Serbs etc.
Those of the three ugly sisters mentioned above would have been totally aware of this before they put Bush who claims he is serving God, similar to Hitler, into office for the task.

Here's another quote:

"In past articles, we have stated that the New World Order could not have been realised had it not been for the intense activities of various secret societies throughout the world. We have mentioned one world-wide secret society, the Brotherhood of Death Society, whose symbol is the skull with two crossed bones. The German Brotherhood of Death Society is the Thule Society. Adolf Hitler joined this society in 1919."

Recently Kerry who looks to be shaping up to be Bushes opposition for the Democrcats has admitted on tv interview he was a Skull and Bonesman. It may be tweedl-dum or tweedle-dee come elction time and the enquiry result into the war cant be
made public until after the election and 5 out of the 7 chosen by Bush are CFR members. The sixth is head of Yale where the
Bonesman are recruited and the seventh was educated there
and served on the International Court in Jugoslavia.
They better sit well spaced around a very large table to avoid instantaneous condustion.

War Times were also quoted where retired Marine Corp General
Anthony Zinni who was chief of US Operations in the Middle East until three years ago said "I think the Americam people were conned into this" referring to the Iraqi invasion and he went on to
say they failed to plan an occupation that would rebuild Iraq,
to provide internal security and advance democrcay.

Well it wouldn't have suited Israel, to have done any of those things would have interferred with their plans of Greater Israel.

Regards US casualties:
Australian ABC News have been reported to have said that 29,000 GIs have been repatriated from Iraq, either wounded in action or by by self infliction, but 40,000 who have completed their service are not permitted to return to civilian life.
Currently GIs are being offered a bonus of $10,000 to resign for another three years.

Perhaps we should give Animal Farm a break and switch to Alice In Wonderland?
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Posted 09 February 2004 - 03:45 PM

In Pravda editorial of Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY; " Powell: FIRST LIES NOW ARROGANCE " ; author states; -

* Colin Powell - has the audacity to present his preoccupations about Moscow's when he represents a regime which carried out the most blatant and shocking disregard for international law by committing its troops to Iraq,
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Posted 09 February 2004 - 06:43 PM

The only real opponent regards controlling the Eurasian oyster
is Russia. Putin if genuine is Horatio holding the bridge.
UE will strip Eastern Europe as they are desperate for money/
investment.
Russia and China and China and Japan have alternative potentials
which can bring the three together- military might, numbers, resourses and technology but the dialectic machine works on.
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Posted 09 February 2004 - 07:06 PM

Bader ; I read;
*How best to turn things around? Elect an action-film star as president, of course.
That's just what the Philippines's 82 million people may do in May. Action-picture icon Fernando Poe Jr.'s approval ratings consistently dwarf those of President Gloria Arroyo. In 2001,
You'd think Arroyo's past as an economics professor at Ateneo De Manila University and Georgetown University classmate of Bill Clinton would give her an edge over Poe, 64, who never finished high school.
Never mind that Moody's Investors Service last month cut the nation's foreign-currency debt rating by one level to Ba2, two levels below investment grade, citing risks from the election and rising debt. thttp://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000039&sid=a8d5LVc4uW6U&refer=columnist_*

Bader You right; The
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Posted 09 February 2004 - 11:55 PM

Its a bit on the nose and an afront to a democracy/people for
a private corp to publically defame them on what they are freely entitled to do before any election takes place.

However foreign investment is a parallel of the debt money system. Whats the difference between borrowing to pay debt
and thus increasing debt or
allowing foreigners to bring money into the country and take the
opportunities to extract the benefits that should belong sovereignly to the citizens, so that as in our country the biggest exports are profits which should be building the countries future not gutting it.
Both are like drugs-induced dependency which amounts to slavery.

I may be wrong but I think last year Moodys suggested our rating would go down if we didnt join Australia in licking Bushes boots in Iraq because we would miss out on a free trade deal.
It just open prostitution now. Inspite of the lies and deceipt
over Iraq the opposition here are trying to score points against the govt for not going in for a free trade deal and the leader cant see he has no morals at all. He was the governor of the Reserve Bank through the nineties.
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Posted 10 February 2004 - 11:51 AM

Bader;
One of the biggest critics of IMF is Malaysia.
It is ex British colony (to 1965).
Malaysia became quickly aware that IMF by their tools like Moody Investment Rating practically pushed country back to colonial dependency.
Leader of Malaysia very vocally criticized IMF and tried to live without it.
Today Malaysia is independent country standing on their legs, and Moody investment rating has no right to elect Malaysian president to them.
Biggest true is that US hate towards Islam is that their members are least vulnerable to American economic pressure even if they poor and without oil. .
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Posted 10 February 2004 - 01:49 PM

Bader; True reason behind critics of Belarusian Human rights;

*BELARUS SAYS IT DOES NOT NEED IMF LOANS
Belarusian National Bank Chairman Pyotr Prakapovich said on 6 February.
He was speaking to two IMF officials, Thomas Richardson and Willy Kiekens, at the end of their two-week mission to Belarus to assess the country's macroeconomic situation. Prakapovich explained that the decision to shun IMF loans was made in light of a strengthening of the national currency, a fall in inflation, an increase in foreign reserves, and improvements in the current-account situation in 2003.
The IMF STOPPED LENDING TO BELORUS in 1995, SAYING THE GOVERNMENT 's ECONOMIC POLICIES WERE INCONSISTENT with ITS RECOMMENDATIONS.
http://www.rferl.org...sline/3-cee.asp

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 02:11 PM

US to take over Russian Stabilization Fund
02/10/2004 16:25
http://english.pravd...018_dollar.html by Kira Poznakhirko

Quitting dollar is on a large scale in Russia. Why do Russian authorities continue hoping for dollar? Even one says;
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Posted 10 February 2004 - 05:16 PM

>>>Once more you would see in it ? the government's economic policies were inconsistent with IMF recommendations.
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Posted 11 February 2004 - 06:13 AM

Thats very dangerous territory Woj.
They cant allow that to happen. There will be "terrorist" action
to put an end to that.
Russia is having more favourable pointer as well as Belarus.
The Belarus leaders are champions defending their economy from
mad-cow financiers.

Are you aware Woj that Malasia has produced a gold coin for
independance of the "syndicate" and its protection racket.
I cant understand why Islam or the Arab Nation dont get on board that and develop an alternative/competition to the what appears to be Jewish dominated debt money system, which the retiring Malasian President advocated but was distorted as anti-semitic.
"If God wants to punish a person......deprived of the ability to think." It has crossed my mind that Bush needs to watch himself.
Some would say he has already lost his ability to think.
The worst that could happen is his "brain turns to cheese"!
I liked that one.
Malasia I think had first hand experience of George SOROS.
They introduced a tax on financial exchanges, only about half a percent but enough to take the icing off the cake, to protect their currency and economy. Speculation is a business so why shouldnt they pay taxes like everyone else, after all they are working off everyone elses backs.
So Malasia would have got in the bad books and moves like Moody's are to be expected. But their oil returns makes them
able to walk on the wild side, so the sooner the I. Banker controls the price/supply of oil then they will complete the NWO.
Its the banker not the tooth fairy or the tax payer that is financing what the US and Zionists do.

There has been another big posting on Jugoslavia Woj, if you have time. The thread has Milsovic's name.

Right-on Pliny.

Before the air was spoilt the money system was spoilt, the fatal necessity of trying to catch up with debt is what drives the destruction of the planet and the collateral damage of poverty
and war.
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