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#1 Indrid Cole

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Posted 12 May 2003 - 06:47 PM

George W. Bush Military Record
Did George W. Bush Dodge the Draft?

Much has been said-or not said- about George W. Bush's service in the Air Force National Guard. With the recent flying expedition "photo op" of the President, I felt compelled to explore the military records that are accessible to the general public. What I found was a life of privilege and favors, with many questions still unanswered on the missing years of his military obligations in the Air Force National Guard. A chronology with documents on Bush's military service in the Air Force National Guard can be located here:
http://www.tompaine....ure.cfm/ID/3671 (Archive)

From the beginning, Bush's service with the Guard was poor. He took the Air Force Officers Qualification Test and scored a weak 25 percent for pilot aptitude on the screening test. Molly Ivins (Shrub) wrote that Bush was assigned to one of the coveted, last two slots for the Guard in the state. This came after he scored a dismal 2.5 on the qualifying test, barely making the grade.

At this website we find that Bush's service for the Guard was ineffective at best, as the planes he was trained to fly were to be phased out and obsolete within months of his training:

Assigned to a safe plane -- the F-102 -- that was being phased out.
As Bush has been quick to note, National Guard members do face the chance of being called up for active duty, though few actually did during the Vietnam war. So what a lucky break for Bush that he was assigned to fly the F-102 Delta Dagger, a plane already being phased out. In fact, the Air Force had ordered all overseas F-102 units shut down as of June 30, 1970-- just 3 months after Bush finished his training. Since training is so airplane specific, Bush was guaranteed from the beginning to be safe from combat.

Bush's campaign has even used his training on the obsolete plane to justify his early discharge, almost a year before his scheduled discharge, since other F-102 pilots were also being released early. But they can't answer the obvious question -- why spend so much money to train a National Guardsman for 2 years on a plane that was already being phased out, at a time when the Guard was letting F102 pilots leave early due to oversupply? (...)

Just didn't show up for a year -- with no punishment.
National Guard records and Bush's own supervisor's and friends show no sign of him attending any drills or performing any service for nearly a year, from May 1972 until May 1973. This period began with Bush moving to Alabama for a political campaign. He later applied to transfer to a base that had no work; the transfer was first approved, then canceled. Bush did nothing for several months; then in September he applied to transfer to Alabama's 187th Tactical Recon group for 3 months. This was approved, but the unit's commander, General William Turnipseed, and his then admnistrative officer, Kenneth Lott, have both said that Bush never showed up. "Had he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not," said Turnipseed. "I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered."

How does one "lose interest," and fail to fulfill their assigned military responsibilities, without a court martial? Why was this exception made for Bush? And what was he doing in those absent months after the campaign in Alabama was over?

Many have tried to explain these missing years in the military. After Bush returned from Alabama, he failed to report to Ellington Air Force Base and complete any of the missing time due on his service card. Instead, he got a job at an inner city outreach program Project P.U.L.L. As reported in Salon:

Bush apparently reached his nadir around Christmas 1972. Home for the holidays, worrying his parents by working too little and partying too much, he got carried away at a party with his 15-year-old brother Marvin, and drove the boy home drunk, smashing into a neighbor's garbage cans and infuriating his parents. His father asked to see him in the den, and a drunk George W. burst in: "I hear you're looking for me. You wanna go mano a mano right here?"


After the drunk-driving incident, his worried father got him a job at Project PULL (the placement Hatfield would insist was community service to expunge his alleged cocaine bust). And Bush may be counted among the many young people the inner-city project saved from self-destruction.

Regardless of whether the community service at Project P.U.L.L. was for drunk driving, or cocaine possession, or just a job-he failed to show up for any of his scheduled Air Force National Guard duties. In most circumstances, that would at best, qualify one for active duty- or at worst, a court martial.


In January of 1998 and what seems like a full lifetime ago, I was stricken by a deadly case of meningoencephalitis. I was returning from a short duty trip to Panama as a team chief to inspect the hand over of Ft. Clayton to the Panamanians. I had been 'loaned' from the senior staff and state planning officer of the Texas National Guard to the Department of the Army for a series of these special projects after angering George W. Bush by refusing to falsify readiness information and reports; confronting a fraudulent funding scheme which kept 'ghost' soldiers on the books for additional funding, and refusing to alter official personnel records [of George W. Bush].

The most logical explanation I could find was that there was a disciplinary action required for record, but that Bush was due to attend Harvard, so he was assigned to the Obligated Reserve Section (ORS), which in effect, means Bush was on a wait list to be called up to active duty, based upon his specialty training and the necessities of war. This, in turn, would also fulfill his obligations to the Guard by transferring him to the Reserve wait list, so he was officially able to be "honorably discharged" of his obligations to the National Guard. Well, most would not have this special treatment, but afterall, Bush was due to attend Harvard Business School. Surely, that was merit enough to give Bush this easy out.
The ARPC explained exactly what being assigned to ORS means. ORS means that you are placed higher up on the list of those to be called into active duty, but that does not mean that you will be called to duty. The other criteria for calling up an enlistee is also based upon the "AFSIC"- or as they clarified, your specialty training. This was a near-guarantee that Bush would not be called to active duty, as the planes he was trained to fly had been phased out.


After reviewing George W. Bush's military records, one has to wonder who truly flew the staged plane flight with Bush Jr ...which naturally leads us all to wonder WHO IS TRULY RUNNING THIS COUNTRY??
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#2 Rickk

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Posted 12 May 2003 - 10:46 PM

Mothman,


Skimming over your post this stuff sounds like the same old stories that have been floating aorund for years. some of this stuff was disproved some was not.

All I can say as a US Army veteran of the first gulf war is that it does not matter to me one iota if George Bush jr. had served in Vietnam or not. Just as if Bill Clinton had actually served in vietnam would not make me approve of him or his policies.
I do respect all vietnam veterans but I am not going to vote for John Kerry next time around based on him being a Navy Seal.
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#3 Indrid Cole

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Posted 12 May 2003 - 10:52 PM

Rickk:

I think that it is probably a good thing that
you don't mind your President being a fraud
or that he tells so many blatant lies.... It obviously
gives you much less to worry about. How sweet
the bliss of ignorance.


And none
of the points in the article have been "disproven"
by anyone. More lies? lol! Why stop when you
have a good thing going, I guess.....
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#4 vigorous

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Posted 12 May 2003 - 11:32 PM

Whaddya mean, no military experience?
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#5 Indrid Cole

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Posted 12 May 2003 - 11:35 PM

Azov:

Actually, as usual, I get the last laugh here.

You see, I've been reading the stories of what
the Washington 'Chickenhawks' are doing to
their proud veterans benefit packages....
These drones are here to be apologists for the
very guys who are giving it to them from behind
by taking away their money and health insurance.

The Few, The Proud, The Marines:
Food Stamps and Welfare for
Everyone!!!!
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#6 Rickk

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Posted 13 May 2003 - 04:29 AM

I know it's in your nature to just be nasty Mothman, but it depneds on what you read and what you hear about George Bush's background. I am sure every scandalous verse on the internet about Geore Bush is true in your eyes. Being a communist I am sure you are used to having the wool pulled over your eyes. This much is a fact. He did fly jets in the National Guard. I dont know about you but I doubt there are too many stupid people who can fly fighter aircraft.

You can have the last laugh all you want, I served my country and I am proud of it. For my service I got a free college education (well, not entirley free). I was never lied to about how much money I would get or what I would get in the way of benefits. I served with many good great people from many different countries. (Canadinas, Brits, French and many arabic military personell). I was proud to do it. If I ever get around to having kids I hope they will want to serve for a short time also.


So honestly dude, you are going to tell me how bad it was/is to serve in the American armed forces when there are Russian soldiers, officers, pilots and even nuclear scientists that get paid meager salaries not monthly but whenever their govt can afford to pay them? that's silly.

When I was in Saudia Arabia we lived in a building right next to the French Foreign Legion. They were nice enough fellas but let me tell you...their uniforms were ratty and their equipment was second rate.
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#7 Indrid Cole

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Posted 13 May 2003 - 04:43 AM

Rickk:

Actually it's not in my nature to "be nasty." I
am quite pleasant to anyone here who asks
a genuine question; or has a legitimate concern
regarding the veracity of the information I post.

I have not found your concern about the nature
of the articles I input here to be of any value
simply because you are only here to tell everyone
how mad you are that people would say such
things about your beloved country. You have
been programmed to do this by your government
and you don't even know it.

And since I was NOT born in Russia, how can
you say the same about myself? When I return
to Russia next year, it will be of my own accord;
not because some fascist mind-control television
program told me that it was "cool" to be Russian, or a Socialist.

You are the same as most of the other Americanskij
who come here to tell us how great you are:
you say it; therefore everyone is supposed to
believe it. What a simple-minded approach.
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#8 Rickk

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Posted 13 May 2003 - 09:43 PM

Indrid (haha)

Wow, I kind of expected some kind of rational, well thought out response but of course what I got was more mindless drivel from you Indrid.

"Oh I can't respond to your questions or posts because you are not worthy of my response" Pfftt...what a cheeseball.

I have been all over the world Indrid (snicker snicker, nice name...oh dear are you the Mothman?) and the only thing I have not come across was a successful communist state. In fact there has never been one.

So you can act aloof if you wish but you only look like an idiot spouting rhetoric from a proven many times over to be a failure- ideology. I know you probably think you are in some kind of cool socialist clich? or something but you are most probably a very lonely person with only this board to take revenge for you bitter and sad life.

So go ahead and go back to Russia from wherever you are now, you will still find a second rate economy, a dilapidated infrastructure and a bunch of people who would sell their souls to live here.
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#9 Indrid Cole

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Posted 13 May 2003 - 10:04 PM

Rickk:

Your silly name calling session and pointless
barking about your totally contrived and nonfactual diatribe
about my life as you wish
it were only proves my point:

You came here for no reason other than to try
and silence someone whose opinion you don't
like, and, failing miserably in that agenda, must
now resort to a goofball (attempted) personal
attack and the familiar doglike posturing so
typical of the Americanskij. Failing to silence
an ideological opponent with brainpower, you
must resort to childish personal insults and
vaguely incorrect intimations about that person's
sad, lonely state of being.

Here's my final word to you before the Ignore
button gets pressed: Your opinion is worthless.
You have no original thoughts. You are a parrot
for a corrupt system and you're too stupid to
realize it and too jaded to care.

Buh bye.
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Posted 13 May 2003 - 10:08 PM

Rikk,
I too am a vet. I also agree that Bush's military record is not critical to his ability as CinC. Independent of that, I think he is trigger-happy. In addition, he is listening to people at the Defence dep't. on matters that should better be handled by the State dep't.. He is in a position of immense power. When he was campaigning, he said that the US should be humble in their position as a super-power. He needs to follow his own advice.
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#11 Rickk

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Posted 13 May 2003 - 10:13 PM

yeah yeah, you told me before you were hitting the "ignore" button and yet here you are again responding to me.


You try to silence someone by acting elite but you are so sad that anytime of day or night, if I come on this board and respond to you, you respond back within mere moments. It doesnt matter if I come back in three days or one...you are ALWAYS here. Proving you are doing nothing but sitting on your computer hitting the refresh button. All day long. All night long.

Sad and lonely little man.

Here is my message to you.

Communsim is never going to make a come-back. Tell everyone at the hip little coffee shop that I said so. You can not prove anything you post and you will not repond with anything but elitist-melodramatic, this is MY board, I was here first!-drivel.

Buh-Bye sad man.
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#12 Rickk

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Posted 13 May 2003 - 10:25 PM

Varangian,

You hold a point of view that is held by many of my friends . I respect that opinion although I disagree with it. I do not believe Bush is trigger-happy and whether you think it was the right thing to do or not, I believe that HE believed he was doing the right thing and protecting America by getting rid of Saddam Hussein. I agree with him.


azov

I take the side that would eradicate communism in any form. What you said does not prove that there were two, what we would call successful, communist states. There are still a few communist states that have either been allowed to flourish or have not collapsed from within.

Example.

Why is South Korea such an advanced society and one of the worlds major economies when right across the border people are still washing their clothes in sewage filled streams while the population starves? Is it because the North Koreans are inherently a more stupid people? NO..it's because they are living under one of the most backwards societies with one of the most backward regimes still on the planet, relying on a form of government that suppresses individual creativity, rights and expression.
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Posted 13 May 2003 - 10:36 PM

BTW Varangian,

You are from Austin I see. I just moved from there (to Seattle) in September. I liked Austin a lot. Little too hot for my nothern blood though.

I used to work at Retro-Studios up off of Braker in northern Austin. ever heard of it?
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Posted 13 May 2003 - 10:42 PM

Indrid Cole:

Quote:"as usual, I get the last laugh here."

You mean you get laughed at here......



"The Few, The Proud, The Marines:
Food Stamps and Welfare for
Everyone!!!!"

People in active service can not, I repeat can not receive food stamps......

Your little comment about the Marines, shows your level of intelligence..........
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#15 Rickk

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Posted 13 May 2003 - 10:47 PM

Oh now the marines and the navy show up to help me out!

Where were you two when I was getting pummeled by Indrid and his limp wristed, lonely band of elitist sissies?

haha...j/k
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Posted 13 May 2003 - 10:57 PM

Oh come on Azoz,


Regimes like South Africa, Guatemala, El Salvador, Brazil, Egypt, and Pakistan are hardly what the US would call "allies". We may cooperate and may not be enemies but Egypt is hardly a democracy. There are NO Arab democracies.
The other countries on your list are also hardly real democracies. South Africa seizes farms away from white farmers and gives to black farmers to the determinate of all. (I admit to not knowing what form of Govt Brazil and Guatemala have.)

Anyway, I am sure you can go around the globe and point out here or there a country that is NOT successful but the fact is that the worlds richest economies are all democracies. There is not one, nor has there ever been a successful communist country on the level that most democratized countries gain.

Hong Kong has nothing going for it except being free-market. No natural resources, nothing! But it is a vibrant economy while the country surrounding it is floating along the back-water of history.


I work with a man from Romania and he knows first hand about life under communism. He is a great artist,one of the best at the company I work for. In Romania he was TOLD that because his father worked on farm equipment that HE was going to work on farm equipment.

I am sorry Azoz, you seem like a nice person but you communism stifles the human soul.
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Posted 13 May 2003 - 11:02 PM

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Distinguished military history


the entire british army, the french army and foreign legion, most european armies and even the taliban and such are laughing hysterically at this claim

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I'm sorry Gandalf, what "claim" are you talking about? I have never heard once Bush tout his military expertise as a reason to (or not to) vote for him.

The one time I was swayed to vote for a veteran was for John McCain when he was running against Bush. I still like McCain but I am glad that he lost.
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Posted 14 May 2003 - 01:07 AM

Look dude, I am not going to read every single line that that idiot Indrid copies from one website and posts on the next. All I am saying is that you guys make it sound like George Bush is trying to pass himself off as some sort of war hero while shoving a chest full of medals in everyone's face. that just isn't so. Bush's military background has nothing to do with anything.

Please don't deteriorate into the simple minded, elitist blathering idiot that is Indrid.

"if you disagree with me I will put you on my ignore list! boo-hoo hoo!"
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