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#1 baltoga

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 12:29 PM

With Saddam Hussein gone Iraqis now speak of arrests, torture and killings. Crimes too risky to tell are now liberated!

Many mass graves have been found in Iraq containing thousands of bodies.

Meanwhile France and Russia hold up ending UN sanctions, because they want their blood $$$ promised by Saddam Hussein.

Thank you France and Russia! Now the people of Iraq know how important they are to you!

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Baghdad: Film uncovered after the fall of Saddam Hussein showed what seem to be new evidence of brutality under his rule - three men being executed in gruesome fashion by being blown up with explosives packed around their bodies.

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The footage showed men in the uniforms of Iraqi security officers strapping what appeared to be explosive to one of the blindfolded men and attaching wires to a large vehicle battery.

"You're going to kill me; you're going to kill me even if I confess," wailed the man, apparently accused of being an Iranian agent at the height of the Iran-Iraq war.

Licking his dry lips with his tongue, he waited for death. A few seconds later, he disappeared in a cloud of smoke and dust.

In the next shot, bloodied remains lay in the sand. The next man was brought up to the same spot and made to kneel. He, too, appeared to be blown up, followed by the third.

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Reading from a piece of paper, a military intelligence officer declared that, by presidential decree, "the Revolutionary Court dated February 12, 1985, case number 180, has ordered the death by hanging" of the three, one of them himself a student.

But they were not hanged.

The Iraqi officials applauded politely when the officer stated who signed the death warrant: "Saddam Hussein, the President."
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Source: http://www.smh.com.a...2885378988.html
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#2 vigorous

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 12:33 PM

Please get your facts right. Even Powell is now talking
in terms of suspending the effect of the oil for food
program, nt terminating it.

Where would you be, blatoga, without somebody to
browbeat?

Why don't you focus instead, like zhurnalist has,
on the real problems and not the imagined ones
and straw men?
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#3 baltoga

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 12:38 PM

Vig,

I'm furious at the crimes committed against Iraqis during Saddam Hussein's reign.

Now that Saddam is gone the least the UN can do is end sanction. However, what should be a quick and unanimous vote is pigeon holed for blood $$$ contracts.

Where is the humanity? Where is the deep concern for the Iraqi people. I see none of it from France and Russia.
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Posted 16 May 2003 - 12:46 PM

Mass Grave of Saddam's Victims Investigated
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#5 vigorous

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 12:48 PM

Those people won't be brought back to life
again. The important priority with those bodies
is to ensure security is provided so that the
handling is properly respectful and the Iraqis
can honor traditions.

Today, the Red Cross released $100m for direct
allocation in Iraq. They would not do this until
security guarantees from your coaltion forces on
the ground were forthcoming.

You shoot like a salt-loaded gun, often hitting the
wrong target.

Perhaps things will get better on the ground now
that you've replaced the head of operations there.

Kudos for recognizing YOU had a problem and getting
a new leader in there w/o wasting time.
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#6 Baton Rouge

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 12:54 PM

Baltoga

Did you ever protest when your country was helping Saddam Hussein's war against Iran.
No! your government at the time supplied him with all the WMDs that he wanted.
The fact is, Saddam Hussein is the MONSTER that you created!
Don't try now to shift the blame against Russia, France or anyone for that matter.
America could not careless about the sufferings of the people of Iraq when they refused to lift the sanctions that everyone else wanted to end to ease the humanitarian castastrophy that was taken place there at the time.
Now you have the gall to complain that some countries are not at all happy that you have taken a country's oilfields for your own greedy end, and that you require sanctions to be lifted to allow you to plunder the wealth of another country.
It is a crime which will go down in history as a period of shame in humankind.
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Posted 16 May 2003 - 01:12 PM

The US is supporting oppressive regimes in Morocco, Algeria, Tunesia, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait. Why is the US silenced about the atrocities commited by these regimes. Could it be, because the USA doesn't give a flying **** when it comes to atrocities or human rights? The fact that it is developing new nucleair weapons should be a suffice answer.
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#8 Tokyoman

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 01:14 PM

February 12, 1985. That would have been about three months after the Reagan administration resumed full diplomatic ties with the Iraqi regime.

" We must not break faith with those who are risking their lives on every continent from Afghanistan to Nicaragua to defy Soviet-supported aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth . . . Support for freedom fighters is self-defense."

President Reagan, in the State of the Union, February 1985

1985 was when American companies started shipping biological agents to Iraqi universities.

It was also the year George Schultz lobbied successfully not to have Iraq included on a terrorist sponsor bill.
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#9 mataj

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 01:21 PM

Beware of babies thrown out of incubators :-|
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#10 baltoga

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 01:24 PM

There is no denying that the USA, France, Russia and Kuwait attempted to court Iraq into a more friendly state. Even the UN gave Iraq ample opportunities to join the world community. However, at some point one must say enough! That time came and action was taken.

Now is the time to bring Iraq in the world community as a democratic and free nation. A free and prosperous Iraqi people will inspire and lead to attitud changes in other countries. Why hold this process up? End UN sanctions against Iraq and begin the process toward prosperity, freedom and dignity!
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Posted 16 May 2003 - 01:35 PM

In 1991, Iraq's most pressing social problem was
childhood obesity. By avoiding the obligation to rid
himself and account for all WsMD, he left $300B in oil
sales money on the table; money which could have
been used to improve conditions in his society.
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Posted 16 May 2003 - 01:38 PM

As an invading force, in an illegal war, against the will of the majority of nations at the UN, and under the Geneva Convention, it should come to the USA, and partners in crime, to pay to redress the situation in Iraq.
The USA should pay up front for all the humanitarians needs of the Iraqi people.
The Congress should act at once to eliviate the wrongs of the present administration.
The United Nations should be put in charge of all processes and insure the saveguard of oilfields in guarantee for the future of Iraq.
America should get out of Iraq!
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#13 baltoga

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 01:53 PM

Baton Rouge,

You're beating a dead issue. The action to forcibly disarm Iraq is "legal" based on previous UN resolutions. Lord Goldsmith studied the legality and affirmed the cause of the coalition.

Your argument of who should pay is exactly my argument. Right now the only people paying are the people of Iraq as willed by the majority of nations. The time is now to end UN sanctions against Iraq and let them live with dignity, freedom and prosperity!
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Posted 16 May 2003 - 02:08 PM

<<underhanded slime-ball deals>>

According to your standard, ANY deal which is not
a coalition-generated deal is underhanded slime-ball deal.

I don't buy it. While there could have been some leakage
to regime cronies and illegal oil sales from Iraq over the
sanction period, the fact is Oil 4 Food fed the Iraqis and was the
largest single World Health Org program ever undertaken.

If you took every single place the WHO helped feed and
added it up, it would still not be equivalent to OIl 4 Food.

Oil contracts made by Russia and Iraq will in some part
be honoured. You Sect'y of State said as much in Moscow.
As well, the Russian $8B in debt will be dealt with to Russia's
satisfaction.

Please try to be less immoderate in your comments.
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Posted 16 May 2003 - 02:11 PM

You might have been too busy pretending that international politics are professional wrestling (and France the Masked Murauder) to notice that Iraq is ******* deep in occupying forces that intend to unilaterally bring in their carpet bagging buddies to lock down at least part, if not most, of their nation's national resources.

Then, to add insult to injury, the invaders (who are among the wealthiest nations on the planet) don't want to bankroll this adventure themselves, they want to use Iraq's own money to get the exploitation show on the road.

How dare the villainous French and Russians oppose this!

I bet you have already forgotten that freeing the Iraqi people was not the stated reason for this sorry assed invasion/occupation when we attacked.

It was WMD that our leaders claimed were posing an immediate threat to the safety of US citizenry.

Maybe you can point out the legal passage that allows a sovereign nation to be invaded to affect regime change on account of you don't like the way they treat their citizenry?

I don't like the way my neighbor treats his children.

Maybe if I complain to the law, and they don't take their kids away fast enough, I should just invade their house, shoot the parents, and start trading out of his portfolio and maybe rent his house out to med students?

:rolleyes:
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Posted 16 May 2003 - 02:15 PM

KOWT,

Exactly! Great post!
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#17 baltoga

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 02:22 PM

KOWT, Plesk,

You miss the point. The Iraqi people are suffering all because of UN sanctions that are now longer relevent.

How many more day, weeks, and months must the Iraqi people suffer because the will nations does not want to recognize their suffering?

End UN sanctions and the resources of America and other nations will flow into Iraq. Why must France and Russia insist on having their blood $$$ contracts honored? Why not honor the Iraqi people and let them build a properous and free nation?
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#18 vigorous

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 02:24 PM

Fact: The International Bar Association was
of the opinion the coalition invasion was illegal.
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Posted 16 May 2003 - 02:26 PM

Fact: France and Russia are showing considerably more
flexibility in bargaining on Iraq than blatoga admits.

Why do you never make an effort to state facts that are
correct, blatoga?
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Posted 16 May 2003 - 02:28 PM

I don't accept your analysis, 2What.

You need to do more reading and less broadcasting.
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