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#1 CHORNYVOLK

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Posted 05 February 2004 - 06:09 PM

MY CO WORKER WAS THERE AS GENERAL LEWIS MACKENZIES DRIVER AND VERIFIED THE MEASUREMENTS SO DON'T EVEN TRY TO DENY IT

Bomb blast in Sarajevo's Markale market on 5 February 1994 killed 68 people and wounded more than 100. The Bosnian government killed its own people and blamed the Serbs in order to gain international sympathy.

Sarajevo massacre remembered

By Jim Fish
BBC World Affairs Correspondent

It was one of the single most bloody events of the war in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and one of the most mysterious.

The single shell blast in Sarajevo's Markale market on 5 February 1994 killed 68 people and wounded more than 100.

The Muslim-led government blamed the besieging Serb forces.

They, in turn, accused the government of shelling its own people, to win international sympathy.

A report by United Nations peacekeepers at the time was inconclusive, although there have been persistent rumours that a secret UN report later pointed the finger of blame at the government.

A mortar shell landed in the crowded market place just after noon, scything down the mainly civilian shoppers and traders between the tightly packed stalls.

Rescue workers and UN personnel who rushed to help described a hellish scene spattered with blood and body parts.

What aroused suspicion in some quarters was that the market was surrounded by high buildings and would normally have been considered safe from all but the most precisely targeted shell.

Other reports noted that television crews were on the scene, filming within seconds of the blast.

Shocking footage

Indeed foreign broadcasters at the time, including at the BBC in London, were surprised at the speed and shocking detail with which they received the raw television pictures from Sarajevo.

General Michael Rose, the British head of the Sarajevo-based United Nations Protection Force (Unprofor), said at the time that he could not be sure who was responsible.

But in his memoir, Fighting for Peace, General Rose relates how three days after the atrocity he told the Deputy Commander of the Bosnian government forces, General Divjak, that the mortar shell had indeed been fired from their own side, according to UN experts.

That proved to be a telling intervention from the British general. Within days the government and the Serbs had agreed to a ceasefire which resulted, under Nato pressure, in the removal of most of the Bosnian Serbs' heavy weapons from the Sarajevo area, and the first loosening of the nearly two-year siege.

Although the UN never publicly accused the Bosnian Government of shelling its own people, Unprofor did accuse government forces of firing to provoke the Serbs, and of using hospitals and public buildings as cover for such fire.

Under General Rose, Unprofor was firmly focused on preserving or extending ceasefires, and opposed to any escalation of the fighting which might drag Nato or the Western powers into conflict.

Suspicion

The Bosnian Government, on the other hand, was deeply frustrated by the arms embargo and Western diplomacy, which it felt tied its hands and those of its hard-pressed troops.

In such an atmosphere of mutual mistrust, the Markale massacre 10 years ago and a similar attack in August 1995 became the focuses of outrage, recrimination, and ultimately successful military action by Nato forces to lift the siege of Sarajevo and bring the two sides to the negotiating table.

What angered many Sarajevans was that even if their government had shelled its own civilians in order to drag the Western powers into war against the Serbs, it was the Serbs who were responsible for the protracted shelling of the city and for the deaths of at least 10,000 people, including almost 1,800 children.

Perhaps the final verdict on the Markale incident lies with the War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague. Last month the court sentenced Bosnian Serb General Stanislav Galic to 20 years in prison for his part in the attacks on civilians, including the Markale massacre.

General Galic was in command of the 18,000-strong Bosnian Serb Army from September 1992 to August 1994.

However, there will almost certainly be those who continue to blame the Bosnian Government for the atrocity.

The Helsinki Committee for Human Rights in Serbia noted that while the verdict on Markale against General Galic was widely reported in the international media, it was ignored in Serbia itself.

http://news.bbc.co.u...ope/3459965.stm
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#2 gonzo

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Posted 05 February 2004 - 06:36 PM

and check out this propaganda in the toronto sun

"""On June 19, 1999 in the Saturday edition of The Toronto Sun, managed by Jews, appeared the cartoon shown below of a dog with the tag 'SERBS' attached to its collar. We post the names of those Jews and a letter from an angry Serb below.""
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#3 nepravda

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Posted 05 February 2004 - 07:10 PM

Indeed,

The Toronto Sun is truly and 100% run buy ugly dirty low life jews.
Same as main Toronto TV station City TV.
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#4 CHORNYVOLK

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Posted 05 February 2004 - 08:13 PM

The sun had barbara ameil as editor in chief she is married to that ****bag conrad black .
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#5 CHORNYVOLK

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Posted 05 February 2004 - 08:33 PM

MY CO WORKER WAS THERE AS GENERAL LEWIS MACKENZIES DRIVER AND VERIFIED THE MEASUREMENTS SO DON'T EVEN TRY TO DENY IT


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#6 CHORNYVOLK

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Posted 05 February 2004 - 08:39 PM

SINCE YOU HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY I DIDN'T EVEEN BOTHER READING WHAT YOU WROTE
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 08:50 PM

it was proven that the market attack came from muslim positions...just like all the other bull...
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#8 CHORNYVOLK

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 03:49 PM

lolo what do you say now
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Posted 05 December 2005 - 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Strelnikov
"What angered many Sarajevans was that even if their government had shelled its own civilians in order to drag the Western powers into war against the Serbs, it was the Serbs who were responsible for the protracted shelling of the city and for the deaths of at least 10,000 people, including almost 1,800 children. "


Did you miss this part?
:rolleyes:



What you missed is that there was shooting in both direction toward the Serb suburbs by the Muslim Army, and casualties on both side civilian and military. And usually the shooting was started by the Muslims attacking Serb positions trying to break the encirclement. Those figures are mostly of dead Muslim Soldier that ran toward Serb positions hoping to go to heaven that evening and be with their 73 virgins, because they died for Allah.
I have heard Serb soldiers being sick of shooting the fools that did nothing to protect themselves and ran towards the showers of bullets as if in some trance, i.e. as if hypnotized.
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#10 lolomarsei

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 04:47 PM

another stinky negationnist, it's what i say, chorny
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#11 CHORNYVOLK

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 05:53 PM

I suppose an eyewitness account is not good enough for you .From now on anything you say Iwill consider bullshit
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#12 lolomarsei

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 08:00 AM

you start a pure provocation, real negationnist stuff, and you would me to answer, to argue with that?
DIG YOURSELF!
:-))
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#13 lolomarsei

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Strelnikov
So?

Those Bosnian Muslims were no angels. They were bloodthirsty, intolerant, savage, barbaric rapist and murderers.


Just like the Serbs that participated in the shelling of Sarajevo on every other freaking day besides this one.



don't say " bunch of balkanic barbars", it's not true, there our cousins, and not remote ones; think to ulster! isn't it a fuzzy balkanic war too, this stupid hate between protestants and catholics?

btw, what it is hard to understand( french officers were unable, for example) it''s that the barbars came from catlick or orthodox rightist countryside, while civilisation was in communist muslim cities
i made it simple, but it's not so far from that
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#14 Adrian

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 01:07 AM

Amazing news.
Will this set Slobo free :confused:
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Posted 08 December 2005 - 01:11 AM

Originally posted by CHORNYVOLK
MY CO WORKER WAS THERE AS GENERAL LEWIS MACKENZIES DRIVER AND VERIFIED THE MEASUREMENTS SO DON'T EVEN TRY TO DENY IT



Does he bag the leaves or rake them?

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#16 lolomarsei

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Posted 09 December 2005 - 09:24 AM

Originally posted by Adrian
Amazing news.
Will this set Slobo free :confused:






amazing? you thought that they had a differentDNA?
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#17 agitpapa

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Posted 09 December 2005 - 12:46 PM

this is old news

it's scandalous and tragic that the muslims had to kill their own people to get the west's attention

apparently when civilians were casually and routinely murdered by serb snipers it was not a big enough deal

the ravages of serb artillery was not a big enough deal

the media needed more bodies, so the muslims provided them

serb fucks should quit their whining and thank their lucky stars that they got off so lightly for the outrages they committed in Bosnia
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#18 lolomarsei

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Posted 09 December 2005 - 01:31 PM

oooh
don't forget that the inquiry was made by foreign legion officers
they weren't neutral
i negate it was armija
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Posted 09 December 2005 - 01:48 PM

BOSNIAN SERB GEN. STANISLAV GALIC

GUILTY OF TERRORIZING SARAJEVO

INCLUDING MARKALE MARKET MASSACRE


Dec. 05. 2003.

THE HAGUE - A Bosnian Serb general was convicted Friday of running a two-year terror campaign against civilians in Sarajevo, unleashing sniper fire and shells that killed and wounded thousands in the Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) sector of the city.

Stanislav Galic was sentenced to 20 years in prison by the UN war crimes tribunal. The tribunal found that Galic ordered his troops to fire on civilians while they were going about their daily lives: shopping, tending gardens or fetching water from the river.
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Galic, 60, was the first suspect to be tried by the UN war crimes tribunal exclusively in connection with the 44-month siege of the Bosnian capital in the 1992-95 war.
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It also was the first time the court dealt with the charge of terror, as defined in the 1949 Geneva Convention. The judges ruled that "the international tribunal does indeed have jurisdiction over the crime of attack on civilians" and the crime of terror, which has an "additional mental element."
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Serb forces dug into surrounding hills and rained sniper and shell fire down on buses, trams, gardens and funerals, killing men, women and children.
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The siege of Sarajevo claimed at least 10,500 lives, mostly of Bosniaks, including almost 1,800 children. Some 50,000 people were wounded during the siege, punctuated by atrocities such as mortar bomb attacks on a market and a soccer game.
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Judges found General Stanislav Galic guilty of terrorizing the city's residents through a two-year campaign of shelling and sniping. The court convicted Galic on five counts of crimes against humanity and war crimes. He was convicted of murder, inhumane acts and violence intended to spread terror among civilians.

In reading out the court's findings, Judge Alphons Orie said it was clear to the majority that the attacks against civilians could not have occurred without the will of corps commander General Stanislav Galic.
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"No civilian of Sarajevo was safe anywhere." - the presiding judge, Alphons Orie, said.
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"The evidence as understood by the majority reveals that the campaign against civilians was intended primarily to terrorize the civilian population," the judge said. "He actually controlled the pace and scale of those crimes."

"It is clear that General Galic, through his orders and by other means acts of facilitation and encouragement, conducted the campaign of attacks," said judge Orie. "He did so with the primary aim to spread terror among the civilian population of Sarajevo."

The judge said that prosecutors proved beyond a reasonable doubt 18 of the 26 sniping incidents they charged and all five of the shellings. That includes the 1994 Sarajevo marketplace shelling (markale market massacre) in which 68 people were killed and more than 100 injured. It has been a controversial incident, with many Bosnian Serbs saying Bosniaks shelled themselves to gain world sympathy and get the Bosnian-Serb army in trouble.

But judges, who said they examined new evidence about the marketplace bombing, concluded that the mortar shell that caused the explosion was fired by the Bosnian Serbs.

Even if there were incidents where Bosniaks sometimes fired on themselves - as Bosnian Serb-General defense lawyers argued - judges found that that does not excuse the crimes committed against the city's Bosniaks.

Gen. Stanislav Galic commanded the 18,000-member Bosnian Serb army from September 1992 to August 1994 -- a period when close to 3,800 civilians were killed.

Instead of protecting the population of Sarajevo, the court found, Galic's forces brought terror and destruction on the city. In the summary of their verdict on Friday, the judges said civilians of the mostly Bosniak city had been deliberately fired on "while attending funerals, while in ambulances, trams and buses and while cycling." They were attacked while tending gardens or shopping in markets, the judges said, most of the time in daylight.

The encircled city, with more than 400,000 residents, was often short of food and other essentials.

As Bosnian Serb troops, aided by Yugoslav forces, shelled and sniped at the city from their mountaintop positions, with U.N. peacekeepers standing by powerless, the violence was broadcast on television and shocked the world. Finally, in August 1995, Western forces launched air strikes against Serb troops.

Human rights groups have said more than 11,000 people, including more than 1,700 children, were killed in Sarajevo. The siege tore up and depleted a city that long had a reputation as a civilized place where Muslims, Jews and Orthodox and Catholic Christians lived together for centuries.

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HELSINKI COMMITTE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS IN SERBIA
(Excerpt from Dragoljub Todorovic's Burden of Crime: National Courts and Justice, dated 04/09/2002; Helsinki Chapter - No 51)

The Serb public opinion cherishes a stereotype that Bosniaks have stage-managed the Markale market massacre in Sarajevo. But at the trial of [Serb] General Stanislav Galic, the man in charge of the Sarajevo siege, the material evidence presented by the top international experts clearly showed that shelling of Markale and massacre of innocent Sarajevo denizens was committed by the Serb army in the surrounding hills. That fact was disclosed by all the international media, but the domestic ones failed to mention it.
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#20 lolomarsei

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Posted 09 December 2005 - 01:49 PM

i was here at this time, i resigned after
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