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Posted 03 February 2003 - 02:35 AM

Remember Libya? Colonel Qadaffi was once considered at least as dangerous as Sadaam. Like Sadaam, we knocked him out of the picture. We had to kill one of his kids to do it, but he's been pretty quiet for the last 15 years.



I was part of the battle group involved with that. The little girl part is the only thing I regret about the outcome. Now look at Libya/Qadaffi..... heading the Commission on human rights, unbelievable. He also has paid off Islamic kidnappers in the Philipines too hasn't he? Trying to be the hero? Or maybe just funnelling a little money?
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#22 JezMan

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 02:39 AM

Very nicely written.
It is nice , (very nice indeed) to see Americans who do think, feel and act like a normal humans.

Great! Go for it and spread your word! Americans deserve it!

:)
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#23 pulse

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 02:54 AM

Indeed AJ, are there others like you out in the USA?

Are you afraid to go out into public like that, wont the government wwant to quell your open mind?
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 03:07 AM

Of course there are lol!

What do you think it is like here? There is no collective conscious in the US, despite what you might think :)
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 03:13 AM

Originally posted by Plsek
Of course there are lol!

What do you think it is like here? There is no collective conscious in the US, despite what you might think :)



sorry PLesk, didnt see your location! I guess the same is over here in Australia, only the Leader wants a war, the public gets lumped with the reputation eh?
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#26 Floatingsky

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 05:48 AM

Hey AJ, what about the people in Iraq? Do you think they like Saddam's regime?

Be circumspect about buying into the idea that America is responsible for children starving in Iraq. Saddam is building palaces and weapons with their lunch money. American aid ends up on the black market, further lining the pockets of the oligarchy.

Tune in Wednesday night and listen to the man who called off the dogs last time, make his case. I think it will be airtight.

And when the time comes, be glad you don't have to go, glad that you have someone over there for you by proxy, that you may sit in your opulent digs and watch the whole thing on a 52" TV.

Remember the big hole in the ground where the Twin Towers once stood? That was nothing compared to what these bastards have in mind. They may even be visiting your city soon...think about it.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 06:07 AM

First , you don't give a damn about Iraqi children. For you they're just 'dirty little sandniggers'. So stop playing a good babysitter.

Second , don't worry what Saddam spends Iraqi money for. That's not American business. Surely USA government doesn't spend lots of money on fighting poverty and homelessness in America. There're many people eating off garbage bins and sleeping under bridges.

Third , stop whining about the Twin Towers. Most those killed were foreigners anyway. Many people are bored just hearing that on and on again.
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#28 pulse

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 06:17 AM

Originally posted by Saddam
Second , don't worry what Saddam spends Iraqi money for. That's not American business. Surely USA government doesn't spend lots of money on fighting poverty and homelessness in America. There're many people eating off garbage bins and sleeping under bridges.



I think this a problem the world over. If the governments of the world spent more on fixing the problems in there own homelands and less on poking there noses into everyone elses business and spending billions on wars, then poverty may be reduced and a better qualiuty of life for all. A forward looking policy is not just needed by the US but for all western and eastern countries. It is a little unfair to the US (even though I dislike a lot of the policies) but if it doesnt make money, a corporation government or individual would generally not make the investment..there just isnt enough goodwill in people anymore...
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 07:38 AM

Originally posted by azov
AmericanJoe, you give "patriotism" a good name - a refreshing change on this board! If only real "American patriots" like you were in charge of things in that Washington flea circus! (How come you're not?):confused: Perhaps that's the real question . . .



Nothing would get done if I ran Washington. I'd make everyone go home. For good.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 07:41 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by d0lfins0ng
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After I regain my composure <laughing hysterically>, I shall attempt a rebuttal. You
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#31 AmericanJoe

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 07:47 AM

Originally posted by d0lfins0ng


Shall we wait until Wednesday before jumping ahead?



I'm not holding my breath, but sure, why not? Let's have a looksee. I don't expect a smoking gun, though. I'm not even sure I expect a gun.

At the same time, even if there is a smoking gun, should we not also give the Saudis a chance to implement their "exile" plan?

Am I crazy for thinking war is the last option in dimplomacy? When did the rules change? I know I've been gone from this board for a long time, but, wow, that is a turnaround.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 07:50 AM

Originally posted by d0lfins0ng
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Why didn't the Clinton administration follow up on the Iraqi connection concerning the 93 WTC bombing? Is the answer partly bureaucratic bungling? After all, the NJ FBI office released a suspect who was wanted by the New York office in connection with the 1993 TWC bomb plot. There was little communication or trust between the FBI and the NSA. Thus, the FBI turned much of the evidence over to the defendants' legal counsel long before America's NS specialists saw it.



I don't have an answer for that. I gave up on Clinton when he lied about cigars and such.
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#33 AmericanJoe

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 07:53 AM

Originally posted by pulse
Indeed AJ, are there others like you out in the USA?

Are you afraid to go out into public like that, wont the government wwant to quell your open mind?



Yes, there were several hundered thousand people in Washington on Jan 18, marching against the war. There was a very large rally in my city, as well. And it wasn't the usual peacenks. All kinds of people, a huge cross section, is coming out against the war.
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#34 Floatingsky

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 07:54 AM

First , you don't give a damn about Iraqi children. For you they're just 'dirty little sandniggers'. So stop playing a good babysitter.



Wrong. Saddam doesn't give a damn about Iraqi children. I do, as do most Americans.

Second , don't worry what Saddam spends Iraqi money for. That's not American business.



It is American business whenever Americans are murdered in Iraqi financed operations. It was our business when Kuwaiti citizens were raped and murdered by Iraqis, and it will be our business whenever any of our allies are attacked by Iraqis under any guise. The children of the world are everybody's business, if they are starving. You have made Jihad our business.

Third , stop whining about the Twin Towers. Most those killed were foreigners anyway. Many people are bored just hearing that on and on again.



This is very insightful. What difference does it make where the innocent civilians were from, that were killed on September 11? The paper trail leads right to your doorstep. You should have stuck to killing your own children.

Cheer up, since you live in Baghdad, soon you will be able to tell American soldiers to their face, to quit whining about the Twin Towers.

Which gave you greater joy, the death of the Israeli astronaut, or the death of six American astronauts? That's a tough one, isn't it?
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#35 AmericanJoe

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 07:56 AM

Originally posted by CaptainAmerica
I was part of the battle group involved with that. The little girl part is the only thing I regret about the outcome. Now look at Libya/Qadaffi..... heading the Commission on human rights, unbelievable. He also has paid off Islamic kidnappers in the Philipines too hasn't he? Trying to be the hero? Or maybe just funnelling a little money?



Sadly, I think the little girl part is what mellowed the old colonel a bit. I would never speculate that he has suddenly become this okay guy, but I think that his own daughter getting killed brought the consequences of his actions closer to him. Who knows? It's not like I've ever sat down and talked with the guy.
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#36 Saddam

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 08:08 AM

Which gave you greater joy, the death of the Israeli astronaut, or the death of six American astronauts? That's a tough one, isn't it?
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Easy answer - NONE. I treat those deaths the same way as other people killed in accidents. If that was Bush or the rest of his criminal gang I'd jump up and down with joy though.
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#37 AmericanJoe

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 08:16 AM

Originally posted by d0lfins0ng

However, just as you witnessed with the Taliban, hatred for the US is ingrained in children, fostered by adults, and carried on out by religious extremists - with backing from countries sponsoring terrorism.



That's exactly my point. The hatred was fostered largely through the efforts of the Saudi Watanabe (please excuse the spelling, it's late and I'm pretty sure that's not the correct spelling of that sect). They poured vast sums of money and personnel into Afghan schools, and promulgated their anti-woman brand of religious terrorism, and have cultivated a legion of bug-eyed adolescent boys carrying Korans in one hand and Kalishnikovs in the other, all of them dreaming of the day they get to die and have 14 naked virgins dancing at their feet. Hell, as an adolescent, I might have bought into that, especially if my culture practiced sexual repression. But what this Saudi sect did was reach deep into the hearts and minds of the population.

How do you think we are going to get through to these people? By burning them with our glorious weaponry? All that will do is cultivate another level of hatred on top of the one that already exists.

I say we fight fire with fire, but in this case, with books and food and medicine. Stuff they need. Do you really think that an impoverished population wouldn't respond to a massive program?

What I'm suggesting is something radical, not the token foreign aid we scrape together each year. What I am suggesting is that every single dollar that was spent on the Gulf buildup this year could have been spent on DIRECT foreign aid, and would have been so much more effective than war that we wouldn't be having this conversation ever again, at least vis a vis the Middle East.

I'm not going to go look up the amount of money we have spent on the military build up, but I can bet it has been in the hundreds of billions already. So. Do a Google search and see how much we spent on foreign aid worldwide last year. Then compare it to the amount we have spent on the Gulf build up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for having slick weaponry and a strong military. But I view it more as an insurance policy than as a means to accomplish what should be done through diplomacy. If we went to the root cause and helped some of these nations to, at a minimum, educate their populace so they at least have a chance to participate in the assimilation process, they would be much, much less inclined to hold venomous opinions about America.
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#38 AmericanJoe

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 08:37 AM

Originally posted by Floatingsky
Hey AJ, what about the people in Iraq? Do you think they like Saddam's regime?

Be circumspect about buying into the idea that America is responsible for children starving in Iraq. Saddam is building palaces and weapons with their lunch money. American aid ends up on the black market, further lining the pockets of the oligarchy.

Tune in Wednesday night and listen to the man who called off the dogs last time, make his case. I think it will be airtight.

And when the time comes, be glad you don't have to go, glad that you have someone over there for you by proxy, that you may sit in your opulent digs and watch the whole thing on a 52" TV.

Remember the big hole in the ground where the Twin Towers once stood? That was nothing compared to what these bastards have in mind. They may even be visiting your city soon...think about it.



I don't fool myself into thinking that America is responsible for the suffering of the Iraqi people, and I don't buy that argument in the slightest. Trust me on that.

Naturally, I'll be very interested in what Colin Powell has to say on Wednesday. Is Powell going to give us information about bin Laden? I can hardly wait.

If your reference about "opulant" digs is some attempt at questioning my bravery under conflct, don't you think you should know who you are talking to before making an assumption either way? What do you know about me? You seem to assume that because I am asking for peace that I have never fought, but I would say that your apparent eagerness for war would indicate that it is you who has never been involved in real warfare.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 04:19 PM

My friend osama and ike are sitting here smoking a hooka and having a cold brewski, we are cheering you all to go die and kill Saddam.

If there is anything we could do to help, dont hesitate to ask. Any time.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 04:21 PM

American aid?

Is that not AMERICAN AIDS?

be specific and truthful. Darn forked tongue is sure turning crooked.
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