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#1 Tokyoman

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Posted 02 February 2003 - 05:53 PM

This is just a hypothetical. I think a lot of Americans are good, decent people.

However, one party controls the White House, Senate and Congress.

It has a stated policy of preventing any other nation rivalling it, ie. complete economic and military control (Project for a New American Century).

It is about to launch a pre emptive, unilateral attack on a sovereign nation, possibly against the wishes of most of the world.

Americans who speak out against their government are denounced and ridiculed. Some are even accused of being threats to American security.

The American President has stood before the American people and deliberately distorted the truth to prop up his agenda.

September 11 could be seen as the US`s Reichstag. It led to greater freedom for the President to implement controls on the American public.

If the US turned evil, what could the world do?
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Posted 02 February 2003 - 06:34 PM


What if? It already is!

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Posted 02 February 2003 - 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Tokyoman
This is just a hypothetical. I think a lot of Americans are good, decent people.



A lot of the German people were also good and very decent people, and even not as partiotic as the Americans ...
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#4 Missouri Mule

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Posted 02 February 2003 - 06:54 PM

Not possible. We have our constitution. That provides for seperation of powers. We have had majority rule by the democrats especially in the late '60s and a lot of unwise legislation got rammed through. However, as powerful as Johnson was and a consummate politician even he couldn't overcome American's distaste of his policies so he bowed out of the race in 1968.

Various presidents throughout history have tried to get an unfair advantage. Andrew Jackson was roundly condemned in the early 1800's, and FDR tried to pack the Supreme Court. Nixon got too big for his britches and was thrown out. Not to worry. Won't happen.:)
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Posted 02 February 2003 - 07:05 PM

very funny

your constitution

has already been violated by the Patriot Act and will be trash if USA does a preemptive attack
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#6 Tokyoman

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Posted 02 February 2003 - 07:13 PM

I am not talking precedents here. I am talking a what if scenario. And the question related to what could the rest of the world do if suddenly faced by an aggressive unresponsive superpower, not Americans.
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Posted 02 February 2003 - 07:21 PM

Tokyoman: Why don't you cross that bridge when you get there? Do you see any evidence of the U.S. threatening another sovereign nation? I don't even consider Iraq a sovereign nation because it is ruled by an international outlaw. This would be akin to saying that Hitler shouldn't have been taken out before he unleased WWII. If we had known then what we know now we should simply have gone in there and killed the sonofabitch.

Damn it. I'm sick and tired of having to explain to the numbskulls here that we aren't going to sit on our tails and let another 9/11 happen. Those 9/11 terrorists did one thing positive and that was to wake us up out of our decades long nap. We can no longer count on two oceans to protect us from the bad guys of the world. War was started on our land. We will end it on someone else's turf. And that is just the way it is. Get used to it.
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Posted 02 February 2003 - 07:31 PM

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People do not believe the Swine,

The US constitution is irrelevant joke. It has been raped tens of time by the politicians who are paid for by 1% of US society.

All the politicians are sold out to the rich and famous, the 99% of US society just follows this 1% like brainwashed sheep or swine>

The voting in the US is virtually meaningless, the rich pre-select the Politicians the poor morons are to vote for.


Just recently established the US "HomeLand Security Office" is virtually copycat of GESTAPO!

For education go to:
The Caligulian American Justice System - U.N. Intervention is Necessary
http://www.globalres...es/STA203A.html
to educate yourself about US "justice" system

and

Table of Contents to Rape of Constitution
www.zianet.com/drbill/govnmt/contents.htm
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#9 Tokyoman

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Posted 02 February 2003 - 07:34 PM

As usual you didn`t address the question at hand, even though it was hypothetical.

Do you see any evidence of the U.S. threatening another sovereign nation? Nope.

US tries to calm fears over nuclear 'targets'
Washington
March 12 2002

The Bush administration tried to head off an international furore yesterday over a secret Pentagon policy review that identifies such countries as Iran, Iraq and North Korea as potential targets for future US nuclear attacks.

Secretary of State Colin Powell and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers, were among top officials who took to television news programs to quell fears among European groups and Middle Eastern leaders that a US nuclear attack was in the works for the war on terrorism.

"We should not get all carried away with some sense that the United States is planning to use nuclear weapons in some contingency that is coming up in the near future. It is not the case," Mr Powell said.


Few governments offered a public response to the Pentagon review. Nuclear powers Russia and China made no official comment, but the unofficial response was often caustic. "The Bush administration seems determined to go back toward a Cold War strategy," said Yan Xuetong, director of the Institute of International Relations at Qinghua University, China.
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Posted 02 February 2003 - 08:03 PM



Excellent LINKS Cossack , you shut this swine up for good.

hehehe


tokajman,

what are you talking about? USA is the biggest threat to our PLANET!

Time magazine (Europe) is taking a poll asking which country poses
the greatest threat to world peace. Choices include Korea, Iraq and
the US. At present the US is in the lead:
Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?

Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?

North Korea
7.3 %
Iraq
8.4 %
The United States
84.3 %


Total Votes Cast: 327738 Cast your vote here
http://www.time.com/.../peace2003.html
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Posted 02 February 2003 - 09:55 PM

Quite amazing how the criminal and agressor can always make the victum and the opressed out to be the villan.

Except this time most of the world aint buying it or paying for it.. Get over it like it or not.
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#12 Missouri Mule

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Posted 02 February 2003 - 10:19 PM

Azov: I respect your opinion as you are a gentleman and a scholar. You are correct in your assessment of the McCarthy period. I remember it quite well and despised the man. But so did our government. Eisenhower wanted him gone and fortunately McCarhy did himself in.

I disagree with you regarding Iraq. Just as I would have disagreed with you in WWII had we had the opportunity to have killed Hitler before he revved up his military juggernaut. Certainly Germany was a soveriegn nation but they behaved as the criminal regime they had. Bottom line: We cannot afford to wait around and allow another 9/11 to occur.

Good intentions are to be commended, but as they say, good intentions pave the road to hell (or words to that effect.)
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 01:50 AM

Impose sanctions on the rogue state.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 02:46 AM


I second "von Bulov", he is correct!

see you all tomorrow

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 03:16 AM

<<<<Damn it. I'm sick and tired of having to explain to the numbskulls here that we aren't going to sit on our tails and let another 9/11 happen. Those 9/11 terrorists did one thing positive and that was to wake us up out of our decades long nap. We can no longer count on two oceans to protect us from the bad guys of the world. War was started on our land. We will end it on someone else's turf. And that is just the way it is. Get used to it>>>>

Right on Booogie

We've got to straighten out the Anti-American Socialist Gimmiecrats Bas-tards
on this thread.
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#16 Houlin

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 03:35 AM

:o Did you know that crazy people don't know they are crazy?
Also, Americans don't know they are crazy. Like crazy people, they think everything they say and think is normal. That's the way crazy people and Americans think. It's crazy.

All opinions aside, did America invade Vietnam, Cambodia, Grenada, Panama, etc? Do they deny constitutionally guaranteed rights to its citizens. Do they execute people in secret. They do all of these things.

The question is "Did Hitler and Nazism do this?" No.

Therefore, America is not like Nazism. I wish people would stop making america out to be a nazi state. It is not. Nazism was a great system of government. America is like crazy, dudes.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 11:03 AM

Originally posted by Tokyoman

If the US turned evil, what could the world do?



If? the US is already evil and have been for quite some time!
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 11:49 AM

(based on the original by the Greek slave Aesop)

The weak man to the strong is always wrong.
This is a fact that history knows full well
But here we
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 01:06 PM

Diogenes:

Did you know that Rome was a socialist state and that its people demanded free food, free glory in the gladiator's arena and many other freebees like free roads, free slaves etc. Yet, they considered themselves fiercly Capitalistic and imperialistic. In fact, they considered themselves free people. Yet, they expected many things from there emporer's. In the end, they turned into a slovenly, decadent, and pussy society so that barbarians overran them and they had to run to Istanbul for safe keeping.

The US is exactly the same. You have free roads, free jobs, free rights, free everything. To support those freedoms, you have to rob Peter to Pay Jews. Look at your TV. Do you think you are any different than the Roman slobs? You are not. You are just crazy.
Tomorrow, you will be chaf.
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#20 Tokyoman

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 02:18 PM

Interesting that only one person actually answered the question. Thanks puzzledude.

I think it was George Kennan who wrote about the concept of power balance. Although the Soviet Union was perceived as bad by the West, it also provided some sort of counter to US dominance and vice versa, thereby eliminating the prospect of a major world war.

If the Soviet Union were still a major opposing power today, I wonder what would be the situation regarding Iraq. At the moment the US is protecting its strategic interests in the Gulf and maintaining its control of the ME. Following another terrorist attack it could justify further invasions (Venezuela?), tighter controls on its citizens, crack down on dissent, anything to protect its national interests. And what then?

Americans can scoff at the idea. Now.
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