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#1 shaukat

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 08:25 PM

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#2 Ivan88

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 12:14 AM

In 125 B.C. John Hyrcanus conquered Edom, and incorporated the Edomites into His Kingdom of Judah.
This was a deadly wound on this beast from which it was healed.
The conquered eventually overcame their conquerors and henceforth were no longer called Edom or Esau, but became known in today's language as Jews.

The religious authorities made everyone worship this beast. You could neither buy nor sell unless you capitulated to them.

Today we have a repeat of that 1st Century situation that the Book Of Revelation addresses:

That whole beastly system was destroyed around 70 A.D...........

but Christendom has become like a beast dressed as a sheep and has healed the deadly wound of 70 A. D. and made the whole world to worship that former beast.

Some folks apply this to the Roman church, which was taken over from the inside sort of like the take over of Judah by the conquered Edomites.
But, again, all these post 70 A.D. "fulfillments" are just reruns of the prophetic curses of the Law brought on by the failures of Christendom.
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Posted 26 January 2010 - 05:09 PM

Since the OP poster didn't notice the book of Daniel are the foundation of revelations then how would it known the crap is not much more than plagerism. Kind of like Quran talking much of it's belief from Moses (Jewish) Torah and bible.

Then the Ivan comes up suggesting the beast is some thing already destroyed but he can false witness like a pope (so the corrupt monster still lives in Ivan)

but if any like to be branded with the mark and never be able to deny it then try truth

carbon is the element in which every human being is full of. How many know the difference of carbon 12 versus carbon 14?

The most prevalant is carbon 12 within most all life.

Chemically speaking that element within and throughout your whole body and everyone you ever knew or heard of is based on....... 6 electrons, 6 protons, 6 neutrons.


How do you like being branded with truth?
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#4 Col Klink

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 05:52 PM

The “variation thereof” of the number ‘18’ that, according to Hagee has “special significance in Jewish tradition” just so happens to include three 6’s. This, coupled with Israel’s Star of David (nothing more than a collection of sixes) and Jewry’s mad insistenace upon worshipping the 6 million equation associated with the holocaust makes for some very interesting math indeed.

Indeed, let those with wisdom calculate the number of the beast, the number of Israel and of Jewish power, for the sooner the math on this equation is completed the better off all mankind will be.


Another Roman apologist. Denying their war crimes and attempting to reinterpret the biblical prophecies which condemn them.

Nero was a Roman emperor who persecuted Jews and Christians. There is no supposed "jewish power".

The "beast" is identified in the book of Daniel as the Roman Empire (Holy or otherwise). More detail is given in Revelation including the "666 number of his name", another identifier of papal Rome.

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 06:10 PM

Nyeth xxxx - every Roman war was funded by the kikes - From Crusaders to Holocaust of Natives in Americana and Australia.
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Posted 26 January 2010 - 06:32 PM

Really the American natives?

Haiti CIA FactbookBackground:
Posted Image The native Taino Amerindians - who inhabited the island of Hispaniola when it was discovered by COLUMBUS in 1492 - were virtually annihilated by Spanish settlers within 25 years. In the early 17th century, the French established a presence on Hispaniola. In 1697, Spain ceded to the French the western third of the island, which later became Haiti. The French colony, based on forestry and sugar-related industries, became one of the wealthiest in the Caribbean but only through the heavy importation of African slaves and considerable environmental degradation.


Columbus was a Franciscan Catholic monk
http://www.francisca...ve.org/columbus
http://www.reformati...th-exposed.html


Columbus probably sailed with a crew of Knights Templar. Some report the ship flying their flag, the familiar red cross.
http://en.wikipedia....f_the_New_World
http://www.harunyahy...templars_01.php
http://www.harunyahy...m/knights01.php
http://www.phoenixma...of_contents.htm


In 1493 the Pope gave all of the Americas to the Spanish inquisition.
http://www.kwabs.com/bull_of_1493.html
http://www.reformati...n-prophecy.html
http://www.manataka.org/page155.html


Soon after, Spain began slaughtering and subjugating the natives as slaves, and bringing in African slaves to all the Americas.
http://en.wikipedia...._World_colonies
http://www.reformati...g/mexicans.html
http://www.reformati...-holocaust.html
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Posted 26 January 2010 - 07:47 PM

Amish,
you funny.

Daniel, ezek and even rev is talking about now "our times"

the proof is throughout if you have the eyes to open the seals

you ranting on an interpretation you like

wrong witnessing!
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#8 Col Klink

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 05:03 AM

Amish,
you funny.

Daniel, ezek and even rev is talking about now "our times"

the proof is throughout if you have the eyes to open the seals

you ranting on an interpretation you like

wrong witnessing!


You've not proven anything is wrong. You're commenting on what you do not even know.

There is only one message in the text. It is not open to private interpretation. There are many today who simply have never heard the message of what the Bible says cover to cover. Others hear but are dogmatic in their beliefs. Most never even study what is said for themselves choosing to listen to some man. We are to confirm and reprove all claims with the biblical text.

Many of the Jews were not in the text. They were following their priest off in pagan text. If they were in the text as some were they would have counted the days of Daniel 9.24, 25 for the coming Messiah.

KJV:
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


Most all of Christianity recognizes the prophecy as 7 days x 70 weeks = 490 prophetic days, that is 490 years.

king Artaxerxes makes the decree 457 B.C.( Ezra 7:1-27 ) 7th year of Artaxerxes.

Given the generally accepted age of 30 for Jesus (Luke 3:23) at His baptism in the 15th year of Tiberius (Luke 3:1) which can be established as 27 A.D., only one of the decrees fits, that being 457 B.C. Starting at 457 B.C. would place the year of the crucifixion, (which happened 3 1/2 years after His baptism), at 31 A.D., and the end of the 70 weeks, or 490 years, at 34 A.D.

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70 Weeks of Daniel


video presenter covers in quick study -

Tribulation Delusion
Presented by Steve Wohlberg
58 min.
http://video.google....999038465245488

"The Nazarene sect used in the Book of Acts clearly referred to both Jewish and Gentile followers of Jesus' Apostles......they accepted the virgin birth of Jesus.

The Nazarenes were originally Jewish converts of the Apostles who fled Jerusalem because of Jesus' warning of its coming siege. They fled to Pella, Peraea (which is northeast of Jerusalem), and eventually spread outwards to Beroea and Bashanitis, where they permanently settled."
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#9 Col Klink

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 05:31 AM

The Roman Empire is easy to find in the book of Daniel and is certainly not a private interpretation. The only way to miss it is some just have never studied it all.

Daniel wrote down the three visions while in Babylon. He told the king he (the King of Babylon) was the first kingdom (Beast). The Persian empire defeated Babylon. Next came Greece with Alexander the Great, which gave way to Rome.

[b]These four kingdoms have been:


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Posted 27 January 2010 - 06:54 AM

Carbon is the element in which every human being is full of.
Chemically speaking that element within and throughout your whole body and everyone you ever knew or heard of is based on....... 6 electrons, 6 protons, 6 neutrons.

How do you like being branded with truth?

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666, the number of the unredeemed human mind. Good Job, bishadi.
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 07:37 AM

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. But they didn't, so Jesus destroyed them in 70 AD

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: Thus He came.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. [John 14:3] He left when He was murdered, and He came back 3 days & 3 nights later. So there's 2 comings right there.

Then He came again to visit the other disciples, then He came again to destroy Jerusalem, as He predicted for HIS GENERATION, and the TIME IS AT HAND in that generation.

So, the geniuses that are waiting for Him to fulfill His promises are dead wrong., except for His promise to kill us if we won't walk His way.
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 07:47 AM

Another Roman apologist. Denying their war crimes and attempting to reinterpret the biblical prophecies which condemn them.

Nero was a Roman emperor who persecuted Jews and Christians. There is no supposed "jewish power".

The "beast" is identified in the book of Daniel as the Roman Empire (Holy or otherwise). More detail is given in Revelation including the "666 number of his name", another identifier of papal Rome.

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Very interesting Amish - I had not seen this regarding the Crown.
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 10:49 AM

Well if you're really interested in 666 - Jewish mass-murderer Henry Kissinger's name adds up to 666 :Devilsmile:
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 06:59 PM

Very interesting Amish - I had not seen this regarding the Crown.


Here it is at the Vatican with the title: "Vicar of Christ"
www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/sp_ss_scv/insigne/triregno_en.html

There is a much longer history behind it dating to Babylon if interested in this very important piece of history.
www.666numberofthebeast.com


Showing we can read Prophecy then turn to history to see it fulfilled. It is also briefly mentioned in this film -
www.archive.org/details/From_Babylon_to_the_Roman_Catholic_Church_666_and_The_Mark

And the work of Walter Veith.
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 07:29 PM

Ya did it again, first quote of Dan 9:24...... My question has there ever been an "end to sin"?

Then it was not interpreted correctly. Could care less what people consider Babylon as that beast still exists (babilu).

Ezek 33-37 shares clearly "at the time"

I often suggest 666 is the time: perhaps June 1966 was a birth. Perhaps so many babies died in fear of a birth people have forgotten that a birth was to come.

And the hoofs who can't read forget Jesus said it over and over, he ain't him.
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 07:54 PM

Ya did it again, first quote of Dan 9:24...... My question has there ever been an "end to sin"?

Then it was not interpreted correctly. Could care less what people consider Babylon as that beast still exists (babilu).

Ezek 33-37 shares clearly "at the time"

I often suggest 666 is the time: perhaps June 1966 was a birth. Perhaps so many babies died in fear of a birth people have forgotten that a birth was to come.

And the hoofs who can't read forget Jesus said it over and over, he ain't him.


Physical Israel, the Jews as a nation, did not make an end of sins, thus the 70 weeks ended with the coming of the Messiah. The were in sin not God's word counting the day until the coming Messiah.

v.25 then gives the start of the 70 weeks. There has been no mis-interpretation, only those who deny what is written. This does not change God's word.
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 07:57 PM

If ony it ended here ..

Really the American natives?

Haiti CIA FactbookBackground:
Posted Image The native Taino Amerindians - who inhabited the island of Hispaniola when it was discovered by COLUMBUS in 1492 - were virtually annihilated by Spanish settlers within 25 years. In the early 17th century, the French established a presence on Hispaniola. In 1697, Spain ceded to the French the western third of the island, which later became Haiti. The French colony, based on forestry and sugar-related industries, became one of the wealthiest in the Caribbean but only through the heavy importation of African slaves and considerable environmental degradation.


Columbus was a Franciscan Catholic monk
http://www.francisca...ve.org/columbus
http://www.reformati...th-exposed.html


Columbus probably sailed with a crew of Knights Templar. Some report the ship flying their flag, the familiar red cross.
http://en.wikipedia....f_the_New_World
http://www.harunyahy...templars_01.php
http://www.harunyahy...m/knights01.php
http://www.phoenixma...of_contents.htm


In 1493 the Pope gave all of the Americas to the Spanish inquisition.
http://www.kwabs.com/bull_of_1493.html
http://www.reformati...n-prophecy.html
http://www.manataka.org/page155.html


Soon after, Spain began slaughtering and subjugating the natives as slaves, and bringing in African slaves to all the Americas.
http://en.wikipedia...._World_colonies
http://www.reformati...g/mexicans.html
http://www.reformati...-holocaust.html


Where we are today ..


The Spanish Armada of ships attack England in 1588 to depose the Protestant Queen Elizabeth I. The fleet sinks in bad weather.
http://en.wikipedia..../Spanish_Armada
http://www.reformati...ish-armada.html
Movie: Elizabeth, parts 1 & 2
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0127536
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414055

Colonist set sail in 1584 from England to found the American colonies, including Virginia, named after Elizabeth.

"The name Virginia originates from an expedition sent by Queen Elizabeth I in 1584, noting her status as the "Virgin Queen." Initially, the term "Virginia" was applied to the entire eastern coast of North America from the 34th parallel (near Cape Fear) north to the 48th parallel, including the shorelines of Acadia and a large portion of inland Canada. Although Spain, France and the Netherlands all had competing claims to the region, none of these prevented the English from becoming the first European power to colonize the Mid-Atlantic coastline. To the south, Spain attempted to establish settlements at least as far north as South Carolina."
http://en.wikipedia....ion_of_Virginia

Roman Catholics were banned from political office in the colonies until after the American Revolution in 1775.
http://en.wikipedia....vince_of_Quebec
http://en.wikipedia....aryland#History
http://www.tradition...1_Colonies.html
http://www.reformati...ndence-day.html

Maryland was the only Roman Catholic colony.

"In December 1790, Maryland ceded land selected by President George Washington to the federal government for the creation of Washington, D.C. The land provided to Washington, D.C. is actually "sitting" inside the state of Maryland."
http://en.wikipedia....aryland#History
http://en.wikipedia....n,_D.C.#History
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 07:59 PM

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The Catholic Church builds Washington D.C.!!

"Daniel Carroll (July 22, 1730
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 08:38 PM

That whole beastly system was destroyed around 70 A.D...........

but Christendom has become like a beast dressed as a sheep and has healed the deadly wound of 70 A. D. and made the whole world to worship that former beast.

Some folks apply this to the Roman church, which was taken over from the inside sort of like the take over of Judah by the conquered Edomites.
But, again, all these post 70 A.D. "fulfillments" are just reruns of the prophetic curses of the Law brought on by the failures of Christendom.

Ivan,

The only thing destroyed in 70 AD was Jerusalem.


You base your entire beliefs on one verse in Matthew. This should be evident you misunderstand the verse.

The preterist view was invented by the jesuits around 1590. We have the books written by them.


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Historicism

"Emerging within the early church, historicism became a dominant eschatological interpretation in the Protestant-Catholic conflicts of the Reformation. A Historicist approach was taken by Martin Luther, though claims that John Calvin held to the Historicist interpretation are not universally recognized. Among conservative Protestants, historicism was supplanted in the 19th century by futurism, with the rise of dispensationalist theology. Historicism continues to be taught in churches arising from the Adventist movement. Historicism stands in contrast to Preterism and Futurism ."

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 09:08 PM

Physical Israel, the Jews as a nation, did not make an end of sins, thus the 70 weeks ended with the coming of the Messiah. The were in sin not God's word counting the day until the coming Messiah.

v.25 then gives the start of the 70 weeks. There has been no mis-interpretation, only those who deny what is written. This does not change God's word.


Is real is mankind, not some chosen people. Mankind is not free by thr name of god (theologically speaking)

Jesus was not messiah, mankind is not "born again" (aware of their actions pure to god; by the word)

that is what the do called "unveiling" is about

you lost faith in the covenant

ie..... What is messiah to mankind (pick a diadem)? What frees mankind?

What is life?

To know god, then life is understood. To lie a fib is false witness.

Jesus himself said take up the light (cross) as that is where the truth exists. (Roger Bacon 13th century)

did I mention i be a bacon bit too?
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