Posted 06 April 2003 - 10:20 PM
remember what I told you about moderating when you first got the job? Remember what I told you I contended with in the old forum?
It's about the most thankless job around in a forum such as this.
Well, I have learned to just ignore most of it, and then only comment the few things I find relevant. Beside that...let people complain if they want....
Furthermore, I have notised that it's actually only about 20 people or so that is pissed, and actually by very different reasons, and that's just very few, on a board with more than 1500 members.
Do you remember the movie about the kids growing up on an Island and becoming completely out of control?
Interestingly, there is a parallel here. Those who believe there are no boundries cry when boundries are presented (that had ALWAYS been there).
Each one of these people "signed" an agreement when registering for this forum and they know it.
I saw it too + Odd was so helpfull to post it too (thanks odd, I apreciate your help ). I see it this way: Dmitry have nominated some moderators, in the faith that they will do the task in a reasonable way, and use those guidelines as good as they can.
It's completely impossible to set up the perfect rules after all. There will always be lots of interpretation of those rules.
Yet they go on as if it is a God given right to dispute and slam those who would do what Pravda's editors don't have time to do.
That's what pravda is all about
> Pravda's Editors yet again stay silent while their moderators go down in "flames".
I'll contact Dmitry tomorrow to get his opinion.
> We do not have to explain ourselves to the members here.
I'm just gonna throw a few comments more here and there, but not really going into the big discussions either.
> You have gone up and beyond what any of us would be willing to do in trying to articulate your reasons for your actions. You have my respect in this regard.
> Moderation here means living on a very small island. At least this time, I have company. Too bad the waters rising and we are left by the powers that be to drown in the sea of discontent.
Now we're all going down in same boat, ehh
Anyway....20 out of 1500 is pissed. It's really not so bad after all
A <Moving on to next thread>
Posted 06 April 2003 - 11:48 PM
Now we're all going down in same boat, ehh
Anyway....20 out of 1500 is pissed. It's really not so bad after all
A <Moving on to next thread>.
Now Adrian how many of the 1500 actually post anything?, maybe they are too shy to voice an opinion.
Posted 07 April 2003 - 12:25 AM
> Now Adrian how many of the 1500 actually post anything?, maybe they are too shy to voice an opinion.
I hoped that noone would pay too much attention to this one
Of course theres some multimonikers too, and probably many that just registered for being in here a short while, and yes...the banned are also included in the list
I have no clue about how many are active in here, but just in this very moment, there are 102 online users (from mainpage, "who is online")
My point to VA and to myself too, was just that it's actually not as bad as it sometimes feels like, by the bashing that goes on.
Posted 08 April 2003 - 05:02 PM
"ODD states: "Forum Rules
"By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."
Obviously the moderators themselves fail to follow the rules when reviewing posts. For example, sex-oriented messages should be deleted promptly without discussion. As this is not the case the moderators are either incompetent and/or lacking in moral backbone to handle the filth."
"VA response: ODD, you want us to be exact regarding the rules?"
Everyone wants clearly defined Forum rules. No fuss.
"You would have been banned within the first week using that barometer."
Don't really think so. Please provide an example where that allegation can be made.
" We are now incompetent? We are lacking in moral backbone?"
Of course you are, hypocritically referring posters to Forum rules and then disregarding the same rules is either a clear case of incompetence or lack of moral backbone. Only logical.
" Dude, we have shown more backbone than you could even conceive. Who are you to judge our abilities to moderate?"
Judging by the poor performance shown sofar by moderators most posters would probably do a better job at moderating.
"Jezuz Kerist dude, we just can't win with you. You sway with the wind more often than a windsock. We are barely hanging in there trying the best we can and you would kick us over the edge, just so you can look smug and superior while doing so."
See my answer in The French's thread.
"ODD, since you are so superior in your postings, prove it by moderating yourself. When you have achieved perfection, I am sure Dmitry will come knocking on your door."
Easy now, I'm a relatively innocent poster here. I dare admins and moderators to find any post of mine that merits any moderation.
"In the interim, regarding future bannings and deletions, I will refer to your post (as you obviously want us to be perfect) as the start of the end of the "free" forum. May the other members show their appreciation of your interpretation as only they can."
Pretzel Logic a la bush. Either you adhere to the stated (bushist) Forum rules or keep on arbitrarily banning and deleting.
Trying to push the blame of poor moderator performance on an individual poster is lame to say the least.
Posted 08 April 2003 - 06:35 PM
You are not an innocent poster/member. You have gone against the grain regarding anyone in authority in both forums and have had an agenda regarding always playing devils advocate with most members here.
There is a flexibility regarding the administering of the rules. If we were to go verbatum regarding the rules, we would be deleting / editing / banning almost 60% of the posts / members here. If we were to do so, no-one would post here except exiles from Disney.com.
Here are some examples of your posting (some of which would exclude you from any further posting here if we were to apply the rules literally as you state we should): -----------------> http://engforum.prav...d=8000#post8000
This thread was referring to when a moderator tried to apply action to something lude to which you indicated was a double standard ---------> http://engforum.prav...3?threadid=1688
Another where you went back and forth with cubyfan ---------> http://engforum.prav...32057#post32057
And your stating something about Atossa ---------> http://engforum.prav...3?threadid=2184
And another, something posted by yourself about "Eurofags" -----> http://engforum.prav...3?threadid=3629
You are not as innocent as you would lead others to believe. And you have demonstrated a mean streak regarding anything you state about me. May I recommend the following........ "Physician, heal thyself".
Also, if you believe that most posters here would do a better job at moderating, please list them, the reasons for your choices, the reasons why they will do better, and then forward them to Dmitry for his review. (That should keep you very busy, eh?)
Posted 09 April 2003 - 04:55 AM
"You are not an innocent poster/member. You have gone against the grain regarding anyone in authority in both forums and have had an agenda regarding always playing devils advocate with most members here."
Couldn't have been better said by any authoritarian on a power trip. My 'agenda' is very simple: stimulate independent and critical
List of Odd's offending posts:
"Well, you should use the proper wording when addressing us:
ARSEHOLES, not a s s holes."
The post which the above refers to is deleted. Look at it as a linguistic correction. No big deal.
VA:"This thread was referring to when a moderator tried to apply action to something lude to which you indicated was a double standard" ---------> http://engforum.prav...3?threadid=1688
"Well, the poster who got the thread deleted is known to be one of the most vengeful and stubborn flamers on Pravda forum."
With 99.9% certainty, the poster lobbying for the deletion can be identified having the attributes I stated. Factual, no fiction.
VA:"Another where you went back and forth with cubyfan" ---------> http://engforum.prav...32057#post32057
"wow, kinda a mean post u norway f*ck, what do you have to brag about??"
"your from norway, hahahahahaha, wow im so cool im from noway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahahahahahaha, ya im so glad im not."
"Hey cubyfan calm down before you wet your leather hoses
"ya too bad im not German huh, u dumb f*cker."
"But you surely can be taken for an illiterate nazi punk, lol"
" wow, i love these ignorant dumb f*cks like odd, who try to prove to the world that they have an IQ above a 50. But yet have no success, as we all have noticed.
" Because of people like diggit and cubyfan whose EEG curves are more tranquile than a Wisconsin cemetery on a February morning."
"You two are just some dumbas* ignorant f*cks, who stick your noses up in the air and try to act better than everybody. Well you guys might as well go to france and join the rest of the snobby queers there..."
"Doesn't it feel just wonderful to take an honest crap?"
Just responding to the unsolicited insults thrown at me, in a sort of friendly manner I might add.
VA:"And your stating something about Atossa" ---------> http://engforum.prav...3?threadid=2184
Odd:"Atossa the Porn Queen...
have you already forgotten that zxb?"
Innocent, humorous comment. Someone from old Forum gave her that nickname, for obvious reasons.
VA:"And another, something posted by yourself about "Eurofags" -----> http://engforum.prav...3?threadid=3629
Odd:"Reason Enough for Norwegian EU-Membership?
Many Eurofags are voicing their concern about graphic EURO coins.
What the Fark's the matter?"
The link to a picture of a EURO-coin isn't working. I really don't think a coin can be objectionable.
OK, moderators what of the above could possibly merit a banning of little innocent Odd? Apply the stupid Forum rules as stated before.
Posted 09 April 2003 - 07:13 PM
Well, why should I worry?
Quote from VA post of 04-08-2003 07:35 PM:
"Here are some examples of your posting (some of which would exclude you from any further posting here if we were to apply the rules literally as you state we should)"
Nowhere have i stated that the stupid Forum rules of American origin should be applied.
All I've pointed out is the hypocrisy of referring to present Forum rules by a moderator stating that anyone not agreeing to the rules should pack up and leave. Rules that are a joke.
EDIT: added Forum Rules:
By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
OK, I'll stay well clear of any moderators from now on. No way any arguments will be interpreted correctly.
CA, the probation has made you a good conformist.
Posted 09 April 2003 - 07:41 PM
Ah, I haven't pseudo-banned anyone in days.
My bank account was dwindling from lack of
30 ruble Pravda BANNING bonuses.
Seriously though, ODD is on of my favourite
contributors to the Pravda forum. His trained
intellect easily outshines that of some of the
more vocal, but obviously less educated people who post
here, and I'm thankful that ODD is a participant.
*even though I think he called me an "arse-dwelling
something or other one day...
Now, true to ODD form, I should expect an insult
at this point? We'll see. It's no fun being
predictable, n'est ce pas?
Posted 09 April 2003 - 08:08 PM
'> how about nomme de jour posting "chornyvolk still garbage" on all my threads and under his name .Do you consider that acceptable ?
This is one of the most classic shit situations for moderators
Honestly, no, I dont find it acceptable, but there are many others doing the same, and they all should get same treatment. The board would end in one big explosion when beginning to use force in these situations. Give me some more time pls.
I take a talk with him later about that once again...'
Yes many others did it but they didn't get banned. I did. The last I left off to you, all was well. Guess not. Meanwhile, CHORNYVOLK can post his garbage private posts to me, threatening my physical well-being. This is problematic enforcement, AT BEST.
No offense, but there has got to be some attention paid to consistently enforcing forum rules. It destroys the credibility of the moderators. Dmitry finally unbanned me, but cautioned me against using 'dirty language'.
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