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#41 Sammy

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 09:53 PM

In another thread here, Sammy wants others to believe that the jews were not responsible for the murder of Christ. That because the actually crucifixion was carried out by Roman soldiers, that in some way exonerates the jews desspite their have called down His blood upon their heads and the heads of their children.

There you go telling lies again!

I said no such thing.

I said they were exclusively to blame.

We are ALL to blame because of SIN.

In this passage in John 8 we have Christ calling the Edomite jews, from the seed of Cain and Esau, murderers:

There's another LIE you love to tell!

The Jews are the children of Israel.
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#42 Sammy

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 10:09 PM

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Except for the scripture passages,(which you quoted out of context) every word you utter in this post is a LIE.
Here is the passage IN CONTEXT.

Mat 23:34 This is why I am sending you prophets, sages, and scribes. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will flog in your synagogues and hound from town to town.
Mat 23:35 So all the righteous blood shed on the earth will be charged to you, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.

Jesus is charging that they killed the prophets, sages, and scribes, that He had sent to them, therefore, they are guilty of all RIGHTEOUS blood.

When we have the truth and the ability to teach it to others but refuse to, we are guilty of their blood in the respect that, because of our failing to give them the TRUTH of GOD, they may go to HELL.

This is the ONLY reason I bother posting to you.
Not for your sake, but for the sake of those who might be reading.
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#43 Ivan88

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 07:39 AM

The Jews are the children of Israel.


The Jews, short for Judahites, are not The children of Israel, simply because Israel is composed of 12 or 13 nations, depending on how you count them.

And, besides, God no longer calls His people by the name of Israel. [Isaiah 65:15] He changed their names to Christians.

Furthermore, unless the people of Biblical Israel, see the awfulness of their own sinfulness, give up their egoistic Pharisee mentality and let their minds be conformed to the Word of nature's God, Jesus Christ, they are not chosen people.

And, certainly those who most openly hate Jesus Christ cannot be chosen by God to bless mankind.
Only those of Biblical Israel or rather Christian Israel who love what Jesus Loves and hate what Jesus Hates can be chosen people.

The Chosen are those that put themselves under God's Gospel and then take it to all the other nations.
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#44 zenas

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 08:29 AM

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This is a thread on Christian Identity, not who was responsible for the crucifixion of Christ. However, shambo can't refrain from calling me a liar and thus I have to reply:

In another thread here, Sammy wants others to believe that the jews were not responsible for the murder of Christ. That because the actually crucifixion was carried out by Roman soldiers, that in some way exonerates the jews desspite their have called down His blood upon their heads and the heads of their children.

There you go telling lies again!

I said no such thing.



Here is what shambo said:

The fact is, those Jews wanted Jesus crucified but they didn't do the deed, the Roman Soldiers did.


I'm not even going to comment. Just let the readers decide for themselves whether or not shambo passes the responsibility to the Roman Soldiers for the crucifixion of Christ instead of the "those jews."
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#45 zenas

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 08:34 AM

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The following is utter nonsense:

Furthermore, unless the people of Biblical Israel, see the awfulness of their own sinfulness, give up their egoistic Pharisee mentality and let their minds be conformed to the Word of nature's God, Jesus Christ, they are not chosen people.


They are still Yahweh's Chosen, they have simply departed from Yahweh's ways.

The Israelites having departed from obeying Yahweh's laws is the reason for the chastisement they are experiencing now as per Revelation 17:17 - "to give their kingdom unto the beast, (the jews) until the words of Yahweh be fulfilled."
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#46 RobertD

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 03:51 PM

There you go telling lies again!

I said no such thing.

I said they were exclusively to blame.

We are ALL to blame because of SIN.


There's another LIE you love to tell!

The Jews are the children of Israel.



Jews are one of the children of Israel, not all of them.
Judah is but your tribe, one of twelve.

You're the one lying Shammy.

Edited by RobertD, 07 March 2011 - 03:51 PM.

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#47 zenas

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 08:20 PM

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Welcome to the thread RD. However,

Jews are one of the children of Israel


is a misconception held by too many for too long.

Kindly show us where you got this idea and I will show you why it is false.

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#48 Sammy

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 08:27 PM

The Jews, short for Judahites, are not The children of Israel, simply because Israel is composed of 12 or 13 nations, depending on how you count them.

Judahite would denote anyone who lives in Judah.

The Jews are descendants of Jacob (Israel).

And, besides, God no longer calls His people by the name of Israel. [Isaiah 65:15] He changed their names to Christians.

Israel is still in Gods plan separate from the church.

The church did not replace Israel.

And, certainly those who most openly hate Jesus Christ cannot be chosen by God to bless mankind.

You and zenas seem to think "you" are the blessing when in fact it is Christ Jesus who is the blessing.

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#49 Sammy

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 08:33 PM

This is a thread on Christian Identity, not who was responsible for the crucifixion of Christ. However, Sammy can't refrain from calling me a liar and thus I have to reply:

Comparing what you claim the Bible teaches, and what it actually teaches, proves you to be a LIAR.

It's not a matter of what I "call" you, it's a matter of record!
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#50 zenas

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 09:48 PM

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Judahite would denote anyone who lives in Judah.


False. A Judahite is a descendant of Judah.

A Judaean is anyone who lived in Judea. This is where shambo and many others are confused.

It's like being a Texan, anyone who resides in Texas is a Texan, regardless of race or relgion.

The Jews are descendants of Jacob (Israel).


False. Jesus Christ Himself refutes this nonsense in John 8 "you are of your father the devil." We have gone over this ad naseum and shambo simply can not or will not accept the reality.

The jews are descendants of Cain, Esau / Edom. The jews even trace their ancestry through their mother and not the father and thus can not be Israelites, as Israelites trace their ancestry through patriarchy, not matriarchy.

Israel is still in Gods plan separate from the church.

Yes, Israel is still in Yahweh's plan, but the Israelites are Yahweh's church. That is where shamob and others are confused. There is no separate Israel and the Church. This is pretzel theology.

The books of Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Thessalonians, Hebrews were all addressed to dispersed Israelites. So was James' epistle, he says so in the very first verse: "to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting."

shamob and other unversalists want us to believe Yahshua changed His mind:

Matthew 10:5,6 "Go not into the way of the non-Israelites (KJV Gentiles, Gentile is not found in the original Greek). and into any city of the Samaritans, enter not.

But go rather, to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Edited by zenas, 07 March 2011 - 09:54 PM.

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#51 Ivan88

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 10:19 PM

Re: Post# 50 Not bad, Zenas.

As for those who claim to be "Israel" such as Joe Bruno:
“You must understand that the Christian concepts of salvation and forgiveness of one's sins is not part of Judaism. Do not attempt to impose Christian values on us.” From JoeBruno’s post on the English Forum at PRAVDA, 11-09-2010 05:11 PM , #1

http://engforum.prav...highlight=Mercy

Moses laid down the law that whoever would not hearken to the coming Prophet, the Messiah, Yahshua, shall be cut off from his people. So anyone, who would not be covered by the Atonement of the New Covenant, is cut off. Thus, you are a cut off entity - with your very existence being insurmountable evidence of Forgiveness; For “.. if you don’t believe I am He, you will perish in your sins.” (you are cut off) [John 8:24]

Your belief system has never been Judah, for, “

Edited by Ivan88, 08 March 2011 - 05:37 AM.

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#52 Sammy

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 12:00 AM

A Judahite is a descendant of Judah.


I stand corrected.
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#53 Sammy

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 12:32 AM


The Jews are descendants of Jacob (Israel).


False. Jesus Christ Himself refutes this nonsense in John 8 "you are of your father the devil." We have gone over this ad naseum and shambo simply can not or will not accept the reality.

Of course He didn't refute it.
You are unable to discern the difference between the physical and the spiritual.

The Jews are the physical descendants of Abraham through Jacob but, those scribes and Pharisees "spiritually" followed the devil. Satan (the devil) is a spirit being, therefore, when those certain Jews rejected Christ Jesus, they were following their spiritual father.


The jews are descendants of Cain, Esau / Edom.

More with the LIE?



Israel is still in Gods plan separate from the church.

Yes, Israel is still in Yahweh's plan, but the Israelites are Yahweh's church.

Such foolishness!

Israel is separate and apart from the church.

Israel as a whole, will come to accept Jesus as Messiah when the "fullness of the Gentiles be come in".

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.




Israel never morphed into the church.!
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#54 Ivan88

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 03:27 AM

Just offshore of Guadeloupe, in the West Indies, lies a kilometer-long formation of limestone.
This limestone in which the skeletons were embedded was extremely hard and part of a formation more than a kilometer in length, while, according to modern geological dating, is 28 million years old [Miocene strata].
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http://www.godscare....eoloy/index.htm
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#55 Ivan88

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 05:06 AM

The Book of Romans is written to people of the nations of Israel in Rome.

The Apostle Paul first spoke to Judahites in Rome who refused to hear him. They were deaf and blind lest they understand and be converted and be healed. Then he declared that the Salvation of God is sent unto the Nations of Israel and they hear it.[Acts 28:16-31]

Then in Romans 1, he declares "to all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called Saints," "called of Jesus Christ."
The Messiah has said, "My sheep hear My Voice and follow it.

So if Rome was mostly non-Israel, why would the Apostle Paul expect much success there, unless, Rome was an Israelite nation of sheep that know God's Voice and follow it?

Then Paul says that Salvation came to Judah first and then to the "Greek."
Many of the Judahites of Rome rejected the Gospel.

So, now the Gospel goes to the rest of the "lost sheep of Israel" in Rome.
Greek here, meaning the higher culture of Greece, the Acheans, brothers, 12 brothers of Israel, high as in the Hebrew word,עליון Elliyon, and in Greek, Ἕλλην, Ellaean, meaning supreme. Greece was the supreme culture of the time. The Romans copied them extensively. Italy was a Greek colony in the beginning

"...I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery (of Salvation), lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; because blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the Completeness (Jesus Christ) of the Nations (of sattered Israel) be come in (to them). [Rom 11:25]

He had just told them that they must be grafted into the True Rootstock, Jesus Christ, to be saved. He was talking to "the lost sheep of Israel, the ones who knew His Voice and who would follow the Savior.

He was not making some prophecy for the devilish zealots of Armageddon to use against humanity.

Edited by Ivan88, 08 March 2011 - 10:56 PM.

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#56 RobertD

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 03:18 PM

Just offshore of Guadeloupe, in the West Indies, lies a kilometer-long formation of limestone.
This limestone in which the skeletons were embedded was extremely hard and part of a formation more than a kilometer in length, while, according to modern geological dating, is 28 million years old [Miocene strata].
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http://www.godscare....eoloy/index.htm


Dates back to the flood, where everyone was covered with silt and fossilized during the eruption.
No such thing as "miocene", evolution is quackery.
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#57 Sammy

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 09:03 PM

The Book of Romans is written to people of the nations of Israel in Rome.


Romans was written to all who had received Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior!

The beloved are those who LOVE MESSIAH, and is not limited to Israel.
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Posted 08 March 2011 - 09:11 PM

What is Christian Identity?
intellectual masturbation
hate to tell'ya
but "if you're alive god MUST be dead"
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#59 Sammy

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 09:42 PM

What is Christian Identity?
intellectual masturbation
hate to tell'ya
but "if you're alive god MUST be dead"

Nothing intelligent about the CULT that calls itself "Christian Identity" .

They do not represent Christianity.
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#60 Ivan88

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 11:06 PM

Romans was written to all who had received Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior!

The beloved are those who LOVE MESSIAH, and is not limited to Israel.


In the days of the Apostle Paul, he was speaking "to all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called Saints," "called of Jesus Christ." These were the sheep that heard the voice of His Master.

Then when the Roman Israelites/Saints sacrificed their mental logic and comformed themselves to God's Word, then they would take the Gospel to other nations until the whole world received it.

It was accomplished. Today, all civilized nations have laws against murder, theft, etc.

Today, most Christians have bought Pharisee doctrines and fables and succumbed to the 3 evil spirits of Revelation 16. There is no way they can take any Gospel to the nations. They are so lost they imagine that the nation that hates God the most is the one God prefers above all mankind.

Edited by Ivan88, 08 March 2011 - 11:08 PM.

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