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#1 Zharkov

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 03:24 PM

A very bad idea
01.04.2014 | Source: Pravda.Ru
 

 

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On March 31, the State Duma received three versions of the bill stipulating penalties for the Russian citizens, who concealed obtaining a passport of a foreign country from the state.

The proposal to make amendments​to the relevant article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation came from the chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Legislation, Andrei Klishas. President Putin agreed with the initiative on the whole, but urged senators not to rush with the introduction of criminal responsibility for concealing dual citizenship.

As a result, the State Duma received three different law concerning dual citizenship.

 

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The first victims of such a law will probably be jews who are Israeli and Russian citizens, and they will claim the law is anti-jew.    And Western media will hammer that theme relentlessly.  

 

The big question is why should state employees want to know.  

What difference does it make, except for xenophobes?   

 

In the real world, the only people who should disclose dual citizenship are the ones working for the government or defense industries where military technology or industrial or political secrets are involved in their work.   If a guy works at a grocery store or gas station, what difference does it make if he holds 2 or more passports?

 

Once a person has "registered" his two passports, then what?   Will a hit team then execute him?

Maybe they kill his dog?   Does he go to a gulag?   Will he have to wear a gold star on his coat?

 

No, this idea isn't fit for human consumption.   It stinks.


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#2 DonQuixote

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 07:08 PM

The idea is that a dual passport holder may have divided loyalties which may compel him to act against the interests of Russia. The law as far as I gather does not target people with dual nationality only those who conceal the fact.


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#3 Zharkov

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:16 PM

Supermarket spies and gas station saboteurs can be dealt with by their employers without endangering the entire Russian government.

 

Citizens have the right to privacy.    Unless a government has a compelling state interest in what the citizen does with his time, it really is none of the government's business if the citizen has another passport.    If the citizen is presumed to be a criminal, then the government would have an interest in whether he has extra passports.   But if a citizen is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, then extra passports, like having extra shoes or extra luggage, should be of no particular concern to government employees.


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#4 Shilka

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:54 PM

Supermarket spies and gas station saboteurs can be dealt with by their employers without endangering the entire Russian government.

 

Citizens have the right to privacy.    Unless a government has a compelling state interest in what the citizen does with his time, it really is none of the government's business if the citizen has another passport.    If the citizen is presumed to be a criminal, then the government would have an interest in whether he has extra passports.   But if a citizen is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, then extra passports, like having extra shoes or extra luggage, should be of no particular concern to government employees.

 

The State / Government has a very valid interest in what Citizenship their supposed "Citizens" carry because it is far more likely that a dual-citizenship holder could be an agent working on behalf of a foreign power or powers against the local interest.

 

It makes no sense whatsoever to allow foreign agents free reign in your country. Therefore dual-citizenship ought to be known and disclosed and that is how conflicts of interest in Government and sensitive National Posts can be avoided.

 

It's insane to let your Government be infiltrated and run by foreign agents and by people with offshore financial assets who are being funded by hostile entities. Think of all the US "Aid" Organisations and NGO's paying money to people like Kasparov and certain elements in Russian Political and Social circles.

 

Whilst I don't condone a witch-hunt against dual-passport holders (most of them are ordinary people) it needs to be known when dual-citizens enter Govt and Sensitive positions because the chances that their loyalties lie elsewhere are much more likely.


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#5 Margarita

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Posted 24 August 2014 - 09:56 AM

 

The State / Government has a very valid interest in what Citizenship their supposed "Citizens" carry because it is far more likely that a dual-citizenship holder could be an agent working on behalf of a foreign power or powers against the local interest.

 

It makes no sense whatsoever to allow foreign agents free reign in your country. Therefore dual-citizenship ought to be known and disclosed and that is how conflicts of interest in Government and sensitive National Posts can be avoided.

 

It's insane to let your Government be infiltrated and run by foreign agents and by people with offshore financial assets who are being funded by hostile entities. Think of all the US "Aid" Organisations and NGO's paying money to people like Kasparov and certain elements in Russian Political and Social circles.

 

Whilst I don't condone a witch-hunt against dual-passport holders (most of them are ordinary people) it needs to be known when dual-citizens enter Govt and Sensitive positions because the chances that their loyalties lie elsewhere are much more likely.

THIS is why it's a very bad idea to have dual citizens holding office:
 

Press TV has learned that a long list of senior US government officials and legislators hold dual US-Israeli citizenship, proving Tel Aviv’s powerful influence over Washington’s decision-making process.

Apart from the significant presence of Israeli citizens at sensitive non-elected federal positions such as head of Homeland Security, a large number of Israelis sit in the Senate and House of Representatives.

The Israeli lawmakers at the Congress have the power to propose and vote on crucial bills like waging wars on any country, forcing the US to veto any UN Security Council resolution unfavorable to Israel, and approving funds and lucrative government contracts in favor of Israel.

The prominent US-Israeli officials in the list include Attorney General Michael Mukasey, Head of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, Chairman of Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board Richard Perle, former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowits, Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith, National Security Advisor Elliot Abrams, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Marc Grossman, Director of Policy Planning at the State Department Richard Haass, US Trade Representative (cabinet-level position) Robert Zoellick, Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board Eliot Cohen, former UN Ambassador John Bolton, White House Political Director Ken Melman, White House Speechwriter David Frum, Deputy Secretary of Commerce Samuel Bodman, and Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board Henry Kissinger.

Israel receives billions of dollars of American taxpayers’ money each year. Under an existing 10-year aid agreement between Washington and Tel Aviv signed in 2007, USD 30 billion of American money is flowing to Israel.

The US’ annual military aid to Israel has been elevated from USD 2.4 billion to USD 3.1 billion through 2017 under the existing agreement.

Meanwhile, US and Israeli officials have discussed a surge in US military aid to Israel in a new aid package that would extend through 2027.   

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#6 Zharkov

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 10:10 PM

Dual citizens should be banned from ANY government office, not even as an official dog inspector.

 

The state has an interest in administering its laws for the benefit of its own citizens, no doubt about it.

 

But when it comes to the private sector, the state has very little interest remaining to protect, other than in high tech military industries which are funded by defense contracts.  

 

I think that registering dual citizens who work in a Chinese laundry, restaurants, farmers, shoe makers, window washers, or similar jobs, is a waste of time and an invasion of their privacy.    If they try to get government jobs, or high tech jobs requiring security clearance, then registration makes sense.


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