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#21 Second Samurai

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 04:53 PM

Slosh errrrm...

"...Therefore, all of the resolutions related to the Arab-Israeli conflict are merely recommendations and do not obligate either side."

um...so what?
A plan for peace is a plan for peace whether its a recomendation or whether its written on a freakin paper napkin. My god it could also be considered a suggestion, or a roadmap, or a way to get from a to b! How horrible!

...whats your point? Your point is you want war at any cost? I really recommend you step on a landmine then, and have your parents and siblings get run over by a tank please. Go ahead, kill yourself. Make it real juicy and explosive and videotape it. We all wanna watch.

That way you could free up this blog from your raving incoherence.
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#22 vigorous

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 04:54 PM

I have read too many writings on the subject for a poster
named "Slosh" in Pravda to tell me Israel-Palestine is NOT
a mere border dispute embellished with many decades
of writing: Writing only the People of the Book and the Chosen
could manufacture in such quantity.

I cannot believe the sheer volume of writing that is done about
the ME conflict. I bet there is more writing that is done about the
ME conflict than about the state of California in the same period.
I feature Israelis, each with a device and connections for getting
on the record somewhere.


For God's sake shut up and make peace. Perhaps then - when
you stop brooding and cackling like a flock of hens - you will get
along better with people.
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#23 Spartano

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:00 PM

Better to eat dirt than to receive help from a Christ killer.

I do not feel any symphaty for Muslims nor Jews. Muslims and Jews lived in peace until the state of Israel was created. For the civilized World will be better if we give the Palestians their land back.

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#24 Slosh

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:01 PM

"...whats your point? "

My point is: You better not do what your enemies tell you to do - what's so hard to understand about that ?!

Israelis tried hard to get peace ... esp. since 1993 - but Oslo gained the palestines a lot, incl. international recognition, funding of their armed forces and government even by the Israelis, autonomy in many areas, ...

... Israel didn't get a more peaceful life out of all that, instead the terror attacks rose in quantity and severity due to Oslo talks and its follow-ups ... :(

... maybe the pal. arabs think that's the way to get even more concessions - by increasing their terror attacks, and they regard the Israeli wish for peace as a sign of weakness. :(
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#25 Slosh

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:03 PM

"""For the civilized World will be better if we give the Palestians their land back."""

Civilized world and palestinians is a contradictio in terminis ... :rolleyes:
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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:10 PM

<<The only way of getting along with their 'neighbours' was to nuke them all ... they're arabs, understand, they want to drive the Jews into the sea ...>>

Slosh, I happened to agree here.
Even if jews have a certain religious fraction, the majority of jews, I believe, would have subdued them in order to avoid deadly confrontations with Arabs. It's a different story when it's coming to Arabs and Islam. Nothing and no one can stop their suicide bombers untill jews will be driven into the sea.
I know that the majority of jews who emigrated from former SU were secular, with no particular religious agenda and very much integrated with Russian way of life. Now they are the ones who overwhelmingly support Sharon't policies. After they've encountered Arabs and smelled the coffee, that is. And that's a huge block of voters in today's Israel.
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#27 Spartano

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:12 PM

Slosh wrote "Civilized world and palestinians is a contradictio in terminis"

For civilized World I was refering to Europe, NorthAmerica, Australia and Chile; in other words: Imperium Europa.

http://www.imperium-europa.org
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#28 Slosh

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:16 PM

"""""""" I know that the majority of jews who emigrated from former SU were secular, with no particular religious agenda and very much integrated with Russian way of life. Now they are the ones who overwhelmingly support Sharon't policies. After they've encountered Arabs and smelled the coffee, that is. And that's a huge block of voters in today's Israel."""""""""

Very interesting, I didn't know about that ... :)

And I absolutely agree with your assessment of the arab vs. the Israeli society - the minority of Jewish extremists are under close observation and control,
whereas the arab extremists are far more numerous even as a percentage of the whole arab population, and receive support from the streets to their governments ...

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#29 Slosh

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:21 PM

"""""For civilized World I was refering to Europe, NorthAmerica, Australia and Chile; in other words: Imperium Europa."""""""


That's some sort of Nazi-doctrine ... aryan blood etc. ... :P

In my books, any race can become or be civilized, if they respect our standards concerning human rights, equality, freedom, ...

Japan and S-Korea are civilized, Turkey is also - though still developping -, South Africa, etc ... doesn't matter whether historically connected to Europe or not. :rolleyes:
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#30 Second Samurai

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:24 PM

slosh,

"My point is: You better not do what your enemies tell you to do"

Benin, France, Guyana, Japan, Pakistan, Panama, Romania, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, United Republic of Tanzania.


These are the enemies of Israel? These are the nations who endorsed the draft resolution. How many enemies do you count? Id say the majority arent enemies.
Am i wrong there? I mean maybe Japan has deviously tried to assimilate the holy land without my knowledge.
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#31 usa_resident

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:35 PM

Sadat, by agreeing to give up Jew killing, (a ME sport) got his land back and 30 yrs free from Israeli "aggression".

But, he had common sense, somethng in short supply in the ME and on this board.
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#32 stranger

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:37 PM

Well, Dr.X - let me put a question in a different way - are there any lands in Israel where jews can settle and have their own state?
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#33 Slosh

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:42 PM

"""""Benin, France, Guyana, Japan, Pakistan, Panama, Romania, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, United Republic of Tanzania.


These are the enemies of Israel? These are the nations who endorsed the draft resolution. How many enemies do you count? Id say the majority arent enemies.
Am i wrong there?"""""

Benin - 15% islamic population ... dunno, but likely they try to appease them by going along their lines, as long as their own state is not directly concerned. :rolleyes:

France - large muslim minority and de facto anti-Israeli politics during the last few decades ...

Japan - peaceniks, even more so than Germans or S-Koreans ... they want peace at any cost, without knowing the real situation in Israel, and probably even more, they're unable to understand the destructive and intolerant mindset of the arabs ...

Pakistan - an islamic state, though not as violently anti-semitic as most of the other islamic states

Panama - Panama ?! They're probably on the anti-US bandwagon just as Mexico and other Latin-/Central American states, and therefore oppose the American ally Israel. Just my guess ...

Romania, USSR - we're talking 'bout the Cold War era here ... of course they're politics were anti-Israelian, since the Israeli-arab conflict served as a kind of proxy-war between the USSR and the USA ...

Tansania - 1/3 of the population islamic, politically probably also close to the USSR



Maybe some of the states involved in the different resolutions had a good intention, with peace in their minds - but any peace agreement must recognize the special situation for the Jews in the ME, and not put their lifes at risk, as many of the UN-resolutions would have ...
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#34 Gunslinger

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:43 PM

"Sure blame the Arabs for not liking crazy settlers that threw them out of their homes on land their entire family has lived on for years. Settlements are to be blamed for Arab hatred against the occupation, that's where Russian jews have been planted on, occupied land.

Can you really blame Palestinians from fighting against stealing of their land?

A war 20 years ago can't be an excuse to continue stealing land today."

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Is this your own revisionism, or is it some you've swallowed hook, line, and sinker? The 1948 war did not happen this way. Jews moved to Palestine after WWII and bought land. Rightfully bought and paid for land to live on, from Arabs, in addition to Jews already living there still. The Arabs suddenly decided they didn't like the demographics (25% jewish was wat too much, I'm sure you sympathize), so they started murdering jews in their beds. How dare the jews actually defend themselves? What gall!! And to actually win! Inexcusable!!!
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#35 Gunslinger

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 05:54 PM

You're right, it has been a long time. So long that the label "refugee camps" means nothing anymore, except to have fools like yourself buy into their lies. I find it quite amusing, that for Euroleftists in particular it is the worst possible crime for anyone to attack civilians and particularly children (which of course I agree with), yet it is not only excusable for the Palis to do it, it is laudable for they are "freedom fighter". What rubbish! What a demented view of the world and its geo-politics.
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#36 stranger

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 06:01 PM

<<Let me ask you a counter question. Do you think there is a Palestine or is everything to be anexed by Israel?

And if everything is Israel, does that mean only Jews can live on the land and non-Jews have to make way for subsidized settlers?>>

DrX, I believe that Palestinians should have their own state. But not the kind they'd like to have - as far as I am concerned jews still have undisputed rights for their holly places - and that means city of Jerusalem first of all.
I do forsee the creation of Palestianian state, in fact, with all the attributes of having army and weapons. This state is going to be created under the pressure of certain influencial circles in the West, accusing jews of violence, injustice towards arabs and so forth. And let be it. Only if for the world finally to learn the kniving and hateful essence of Islam.
I can only welcome what's coming. As I always believed, the world's biggest and oldest conflict can be solved only on biblical terms.
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#37 Slosh

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 06:06 PM

"""""""""You're right, it has been a long time. So long that the label "refugee camps" means nothing anymore, except to have fools like yourself buy into their lies. I find it quite amusing, that for Euroleftists in particular it is the worst possible crime for anyone to attack civilians and particularly children (which of course I agree with), yet it is not only excusable for the Palis to do it, it is laudable for they are "freedom fighter". What rubbish! What a demented view of the world and its geo-politics.""""""""""

Aaahh, that moral clarity !!

**Applause**

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#38 Slosh

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 06:17 PM

"""""""""""" Then tell me why you support by words and taxes the state of Israel that kills Palestinian civilans, children and destroys buildings at a rate far higher then Palestinian extremist do?""""""""""""


That's a claim you'd have to prove ...

... apart from that: The pal. terrorists kill civilians intentionally,

the IDF might kill some civilians by mistake or, more common, as collateral damage ( and more often than not the terrorists are guilty for these deaths, since they hide themselves and their equipment illegally in civilian areas ... against the rules of the Geneva Conventions. ).

Got it ?! :rolleyes:
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#39 Gunslinger

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 06:45 PM

hmmmm....they start a fight, and get to blame the other party for their injuries? Interesting moral precept.
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#40 Gunslinger

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 06:49 PM

I don't think anyone here said that. It was you that was saying the exact opposite.
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