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#1 bishadi

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 03:49 PM


The "T" word treason is being lobbed at 47 Republican senators who signed an open letter to Iranian leaders warning that any deal Tehran strikes with the Obama administration may be reversed by a future president

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.c.../#ixzz3U5hxxXsv

"You dont undermine the president of the United States. Its disrespectful not only to President Obama but disrespectful to the office of the presidency. You can disagree with a foreign policy, and, in fact, I actually dont think that the Iranians are trustworthy. And I worry about a deal, but to do something like this, it just is breathtaking," Dean said.

The White House has condemned the letter, as have Democrats and a smattering of Republicans. Organized by newly elected Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas, the letter warns that while the Constitution allows the president to negotiate international agreements, Congress "plays the significant role of ratifying them."

Should Congress not approve of an agreement over Irans nuclear program, it would be considered nothing more than an executive order between the president and Iran subject to revocation or modification by a future administration."




This is almost as bad as Cruz trying to force S1322 Embassy act................. treason against the USA for a foreign power.
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Now, can each see what the Netanyahu speech did to our congress? He mislead from truth about what is really happening, just like with Iraq. He created a divide within our own government, on an issue, a situation, that has nothing to do with America being in fear of Iran. Israel is afraid of iran and our very own congressman went against the President of the USA, because of blatant ignorance and being mislead.

The reason Israelis DO NOT like iran, is that the ayatollah set the 'red line' that Israel will not take 'al aqsa' and build 'temple mount'. That existing issue is decades old. Likewise, I would bet iran is already nuke armed, if they ever wanted to be. The rockets that are claimed to be ballistic delivery systems, are satellite launchers and iran has been sending satellites, monkeys and all kinds of research vehicles into space. The most recent launches were all disclosed and acclaimed for science a long time back and scheduled. But the media, the Netanyahu, the ignorant congressmen and women, are sustaining an obtuse bias, that is sick.

The requirement of Israelis to have that stupid hill with a gold dome on it, is the cause of ww3.

Any bets?




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Jewish settlers storm Al-Aqsa compound

www.worldbulletin.net- 2 hours ago

Dozens of Jewish settlers and Israeli police on Wednesday forced their way into the flashpoint Al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East
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that' today!


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'Temple Mount' sign hung outside of al Aqsa mosque

Alternative Information Center (AIC)-Feb 11, 2015

The Jerusalem municipality hung a sign reading Temple Mount in reference to the nearby al Aqsa mosque compound.

Israeli Municipality Hangs Temple Mount Sign near Al-Aqsa


International Middle East Media Center-Feb 11, 2015

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No joke.

It's weird that so few, actually know why and what the divide is actually about in the ME
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#2 Zharkov

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 05:25 PM

Nope, not treason.   We are not at war with Iran.   Iran is actually a US ally against ISIS or ISL or Al Qaida, whatever.

 

What it might be is a violation of the Logan Act.   But the Logan Act is a violation of the 1st Amendment.

 

So it's really a whole lot of nothing in particular.


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#3 Shura

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 05:30 PM

The "T" word treason is being lobbed at 47 Republican senators who signed an open letter to Iranian leaders warning that any deal Tehran strikes with the Obama administration may be reversed by a future president

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.c.../#ixzz3U5hxxXsv

"You dont undermine the president of the United States. Its disrespectful not only to President Obama but disrespectful to the office of the presidency. You can disagree with a foreign policy, and, in fact, I actually dont think that the Iranians are trustworthy. And I worry about a deal, but to do something like this, it just is breathtaking," Dean said.

The White House has condemned the letter, as have Democrats and a smattering of Republicans. Organized by newly elected Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas, the letter warns that while the Constitution allows the president to negotiate international agreements, Congress "plays the significant role of ratifying them."

Should Congress not approve of an agreement over Irans nuclear program, it would be considered nothing more than an executive order between the president and Iran subject to revocation or modification by a future administration."




This is almost as bad as Cruz trying to force S1322 Embassy act................. treason against the USA for a foreign power.
.

.
.

Now, can each see what the Netanyahu speech did to our congress? He mislead from truth about what is really happening, just like with Iraq. He created a divide within our own government, on an issue, a situation, that has nothing to do with America being in fear of Iran. Israel is afraid of iran and our very own congressman went against the President of the USA, because of blatant ignorance and being mislead.

The reason Israelis DO NOT like iran, is that the ayatollah set the 'red line' that Israel will not take 'al aqsa' and build 'temple mount'. That existing issue is decades old. Likewise, I would bet iran is already nuke armed, if they ever wanted to be. The rockets that are claimed to be ballistic delivery systems, are satellite launchers and iran has been sending satellites, monkeys and all kinds of research vehicles into space. The most recent launches were all disclosed and acclaimed for science a long time back and scheduled. But the media, the Netanyahu, the ignorant congressmen and women, are sustaining an obtuse bias, that is sick.

The requirement of Israelis to have that stupid hill with a gold dome on it, is the cause of ww3.

Any bets?




.



Jewish settlers storm Al-Aqsa compound

www.worldbulletin.net- 2 hours ago

Dozens of Jewish settlers and Israeli police on Wednesday forced their way into the flashpoint Al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East
.
.
.
that' today!


.


.








'Temple Mount' sign hung outside of al Aqsa mosque

Alternative Information Center (AIC)-Feb 11, 2015

The Jerusalem municipality hung a sign reading Temple Mount in reference to the nearby al Aqsa mosque compound.

Israeli Municipality Hangs Temple Mount Sign near Al-Aqsa


International Middle East Media Center-Feb 11, 2015

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No joke.

It's weird that so few, actually know why and what the divide is actually about in the ME
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The only one Israelis like are toadies, people who agree to be walked over, spat upon and used as trash


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#4 Shura

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 05:32 PM

I do not know about the legality of this charge of treason. But I do know that undermining authority of the President in international affairs is a serious matter, indeed.


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#5 bishadi

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:24 PM

I do not know about the legality of this charge of treason. But I do know that undermining authority of the President in international affairs is a serious matter, indeed.




The freedom of speech laws for congress/senate does not include in public or reproduced documentation, but in chamber during debates.

As soon as he put it into writing, specifically to circumvent authority, is treason as it is siding with an alternative purpose besides the USA.


Treason as the word fits what the cotton gang did.

It is grounds to watch the campaign funding for each.
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#6 Zharkov

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Posted 12 March 2015 - 12:14 AM

Treason has a specific legal definition and it applies in time of war, but war was not declared against Iran, so Iran is not a US enemy and no aid or comfort was involved.    What the senators did was to remind Iran of US constitutional law.   US law takes priority over treaties signed by the president.   If there is no legislative vote for ratification, the treaty is void.  

 

Obama can ask Holder to prosecute them under the Logan Act, but that would eventually fail.   So the letter is nothing more than the exercise of free speech in a manner that the president doesn't like.    Obama has done a lot that Congress doesn't like, so they are about even on that game.   

 

Legislative immunity exists only for debates in Congress, so they would have no immunity from prosecution, but the 1st Amendment is their defense.  The 1st Amendment is such a strong defense that it acts almost like immunity.    And maybe this is a good way to finally abolish the Logan Act.   If they got convicted, Congress would probably abolish that law.


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#7 bishadi

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 07:03 PM

Treason has a specific legal definition and it applies in time of war, but war was not declared against Iran, so Iran is not a US enemy and no aid or comfort was involved.    What the senators did was to remind Iran of US constitutional law.   US law takes priority over treaties signed by the president.   If there is no legislative vote for ratification, the treaty is void.  
 
Obama can ask Holder to prosecute them under the Logan Act, but that would eventually fail.   So the letter is nothing more than the exercise of free speech in a manner that the president doesn't like.    Obama has done a lot that Congress doesn't like, so they are about even on that game.   
 
Legislative immunity exists only for debates in Congress, so they would have no immunity from prosecution, but the 1st Amendment is their defense.  The 1st Amendment is such a strong defense that it acts almost like immunity.    And maybe this is a good way to finally abolish the Logan Act.   If they got convicted, Congress would probably abolish that law.


I agree, Iran is not an enemy.

The use of law to circumvent right and wrong is the rube. For a congressman to threaten, that he will be in office, longer than Obama. Then represent that the authority of the Pres is so fluid, just undermined our whole country's character. To go so overboard over the belief that iran is a threat with nothing but Israel to support the concept, represents just how ignorant some people are.

If iran wanted to buy a nukes, they could have been nuke armed decades ago. From Pakistan, to Russian, india and china..... the small thinking folk are making complete fools of themselves on the idea that only the people allowed to have weapons, can have them

Nuke technology and space technology are already within iran. If iran, Iranians and the people of iran, no matter the religion are actually so bad as to require sanctions and congressman discounting the president, then it is already too late.
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 07:04 PM

Arming and paying terrorists is also a war crime:

https://www.youtube....e0Nwzyozw#t=187


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#9 bishadi

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 07:34 PM

Blame the ignorance of congress/senate.
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