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#21 grog

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 05:38 PM

You have proof of man existing prior to Adam. ..!?!?

The burden of proof is on you.
I made and proved my point.
You say it ain't so, fine, don't go back billions of years, I'll be happy with one more generation before Adam.

 

What do you say about stone-age cave art?
 
You are unable to answer questions.
 
What you say can not be tested by other people.

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#22 grog

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 05:54 PM

Have you ever seen a jew?
Fkg moron.

 

YES.
 
They don't share expenses.
 
They let you spend your money and expect you to share what you buy.

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#23 grog

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:28 PM

No.

 

"ice caps melt in the north and grow in the south. Vice versa"
"happens every year." 
 
If it happens every year, do the ice caps melt in the south and grow in the north, during the summer, or during the winter? 
 
You are unable to answer questions.
What you say can not be tested by other people.

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#24 grog

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:36 PM

No.

 

"The world was created 6000yrs ago more or less."
 
 
During the last 6000 years, when was the Ice Age?
 
You are unable to answer questions.
What you say can not be tested by other people.

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#25 Ivan88

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 07:40 PM

 

 

"ice caps melt in the north and grow in the south. Vice versa"
"happens every year." 
 
If it happens every year, do the ice caps melt in the south and grow in the north, during the summer, or during the winter? 

Ice grows where it's cold U& moisture is supplied  It tends to melt in Summer.

North & South Poles have opposite weather.

 

If Earth is only 6,000 years old, then the ice ages must have been rather limited in order to fit in this time frame.

And vast changes in life forms occurred in such a short time.

In effect, those who argue for 6,000 years are the biggest evolutionists as they expect vast changes to happen very fast.

Evolution on steroids?


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#26 Radio1

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 08:45 PM

Ice grows where it's cold U& moisture is supplied  It tends to melt in Summer.

North & South Poles have opposite weather.

 

If Earth is only 6,000 years old, then the ice ages must have been rather limited in order to fit in this time frame.

And vast changes in life forms occurred in such a short time.

In effect, those who argue for 6,000 years are the biggest evolutionists as they expect vast changes to happen very fast.

Evolution on steroids?

 

Creationists are merely inconvenienced by scientific facts, and that's a fact.


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#27 Ivan88

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 10:04 PM

Actually, both sides are blinded by their own overly close views.

Both "Creationism" & "Evolution" are valid if they are willing to include all the Facts.

While it is well proven that species change as a result of various pressures, and even become extinct,

there is a problem that accidental exolutionists ignore:

For example:

In the case of vision - eyes..."which only came into being AFTER it had been optically constructed & linked by nervous cells to a sensitive optical center in the brain.

How can we explain the simultaneous evolution of elements necessary for vision as long as vision did not exist?

Simple sensitivity to light pf a particular region of the epiderm in no way explains the ultimate formaton of the lens, iris, & retina.

Likewise, the membranous wing of the pterosaurians & bats could act as a sustainer only after it had been perfected.

The fact of falling indefinitely from a rock or a tree could not inaugurate this membrane."

Pg.97 Chapter 7 Significance & Mechanism of Evolution, Destiny of Man -1947, Le comte du Noüy

 

The intervention of a creator solved these 2 evolutionary problems and many more.


Edited by Ivan88, 22 December 2017 - 10:34 PM.

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#28 Traveler

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 10:12 PM

 

It's part of the KJV's rather unique use of language.

 

Genesis 1:28

Young's Literal Translation:

28 And God blesseth them, and God saith to them, `Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over every living thing that is creeping upon the earth.'

 

 

Luther Bible:

28 Und Gott segnete sie und sprach zu ihnen: Seid fruchtbar und mehrt euch und füllt die Erde und macht sie euch untertan und herrscht über die Fische im Meer und über die Vögel unter dem Himmel und über alles Getier, das auf Erden kriecht.

 

 

Священное Писание (Восточный Перевод) (CARS)

28 Всевышний благословил их и сказал: «Плодитесь и размножайтесь; наполняйте землю и владейте ею. Царствуйте над рыбами морскими, и птицами небесными, и над всеми пресмыкающимися».

 

All of these examples are simply speaking of "filling" the earth, not re-filling it. Here is an explanation of the use of the word "replenish" in the KJV: https://answersingen...the-earth-mean/

The word replenish comes from this old word;

 

H4390
מלא    מלא
mâlê'  mâlâ'
maw-lay', maw-law'
A primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively): - accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) fully (-ly, -ly set, tale), [over-] flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a [hand-] full, + have wholly.
 

but then it is followed by this word which qualifies it;

 

H853
את
'êth
ayth
Apparently contracted from H226 in the demonstrative sense of entity; properly self (but generally used to point out more definitely the object of a verb or preposition, even or namely): - (As such unrepresented in English.)

 

Websters translation

 

Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living animal that moveth upon the earth.

KJV

Gen 1:28  And GodH430 blessedH1288 them, and GodH430 saidH559 unto them, Be fruitful,H6509 and multiply,H7235 and replenishH4390 (H853) the earth,H776 and subdueH3533 it: and have dominionH7287 over the fishH1710 of the sea,H3220 and over the fowlH5775 of the air,H8064 and over everyH3605 living thingH2416 that movethH7430 uponH5921 the earth.H776
 


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#29 Traveler

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 10:29 PM

 

 

"The world was created 6000yrs ago more or less."
 
 
During the last 6000 years, when was the Ice Age?
 
You are unable to answer questions.
What you say can not be tested by other people.

 

This time is calculated from the whom begot whoms as recorded in the scriptures which really just indicates how long the descendants of Adam have been on the earth. A closer look at the wording used for the six days of creation can also be translated as six ages or periods of time. Remember the earth was only placed in orbit around the sun on the 4th day so it cannot be looking at our literal days. The translators only used the word days so as to tie it together with the laws regarding the sabbath.


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#30 Ivan88

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 10:42 PM

Thank You, Traveler for Your 2 useful posts.

There is another definition of the matters You posted, if one realizes that Genesis is not really about creation of the world, but of establishing, reproducing & replenishing People who follow the Gospel of Love & Life that was initially given to Adam, which he miserably failed at learning & doing; And which most Christians have been blind to.


Edited by Ivan88, 22 December 2017 - 10:44 PM.

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#31 RobertD

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 07:57 PM


 
What do you say about stone-age cave art?
 
You are unable to answer questions.
 
What you say can not be tested by other people.


What about it?
You have evidence of one (1) generation prior to Adam...?

You're jumping to billions of years of baboons evolution of which there is not one skeleton to prove.
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#32 RobertD

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 07:59 PM


 
"ice caps melt in the north and grow in the south. Vice versa"
"happens every year." 
 
If it happens every year, do the ice caps melt in the south and grow in the north, during the summer, or during the winter? 
 
You are unable to answer questions.
What you say can not be tested by other people.


I don't need to be a PhD in anything to know the truth. Your ignorance of basic scientific facts makes you a prime target for the shysters.
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#33 RobertD

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 08:01 PM

This time is calculated from the whom begot whoms as recorded in the scriptures which really just indicates how long the descendants of Adam have been on the earth. A closer look at the wording used for the six days of creation can also be translated as six ages or periods of time. Remember the earth was only placed in orbit around the sun on the 4th day so it cannot be looking at our literal days. The translators only used the word days so as to tie it together with the laws regarding the sabbath.


How long does it take for God to stretch his arm?
As it is written.
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#34 RobertD

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 08:02 PM

Thank You, Traveler for Your 2 useful posts.
There is another definition of the matters You posted, if one realizes that Genesis is not really about creation of the world, but of establishing, reproducing & replenishing People who follow the Gospel of Love & Life that was initially given to Adam, which he miserably failed at learning & doing; And which most Christians have been blind to.


But for you jews to arseplain it to us christian retards...?
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#35 RobertD

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 08:05 PM

This time is calculated from the whom begot whoms as recorded in the scriptures which really just indicates how long the descendants of Adam have been on the earth. A closer look at the wording used for the six days of creation can also be translated as six ages or periods of time. Remember the earth was only placed in orbit around the sun on the 4th day so it cannot be looking at our literal days. The translators only used the word days so as to tie it together with the laws regarding the sabbath.


Of which there is not one shred of evidence.

What "evidence" do you have of a generation prior to Adam?
Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
Nothing but hypothesis of a baboon being your father.
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#36 Radio1

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 10:56 PM

Of which there is not one shred of evidence.

What "evidence" do you have of a generation prior to Adam?
Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
Nothing but hypothesis of a baboon being your father.

 

Even without evolution, humans would still be classified as great apes, because those are the physical and genetic traits we carry, through and through.


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#37 RobertD

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 03:43 AM

 
Even without evolution, humans would still be classified as great apes, because those are the physical and genetic traits we carry, through and through.


Pure fkg BS.
Quacking clichés without a shred if evidence.
Where is your evidence that Adam had a father?
You got shit for evidence.
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#38 Traveler

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 07:50 AM

Of which there is not one shred of evidence.

What "evidence" do you have of a generation prior to Adam?
Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
Nothing but hypothesis of a baboon being your father.

I do not support evolution.

 

Ecc 1:10  Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.


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#39 grog

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 03:32 PM

Ice grows where it's cold U& moisture is supplied  It tends to melt in Summer.

North & South Poles have opposite weather.

 

If Earth is only 6,000 years old, then the ice ages must have been rather limited in order to fit in this time frame.

And vast changes in life forms occurred in such a short time.

In effect, those who argue for 6,000 years are the biggest evolutionists as they expect vast changes to happen very fast.

Evolution on steroids?

 

 When was the Ice Age?

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#40 Radio1

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 03:45 PM

Pure fkg BS.
Quacking clichés without a shred if evidence.
Where is your evidence that Adam had a father?
You got shit for evidence.

 

Where is your evidence that Adam existed? Where is your evidence for any of the silly claims you put forward?


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