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#201 grog

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:55 PM

This map includes the mysterious Porton Down Triangle.
 
Porton Down is covered by the Official Secrets Act.
 
 
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 04:37 PM

Second Salisbury Alleged Poisoning:
 
Still More Questions than Answers
 
 
 
 
 
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It is symptomatic of the level of desperation being felt by the British government that the illness of two known drug addicts (Rowley & Sturgess) in the town of Amersham, Wiltshire, only a few kilometres from Porton Down and the site of the Skripal incident in March of this year, is immediately attributed to Russia by the British Home Secretary Sajid Javid and the Minister of State for Security Ben Wallace.
 
Speaking in the House of Commons on 5 July Javid referred to the "decision taken by the Russian government to deploy [chemical weapons] in Salisbury on March 4 was reckless and callous……. It is now the time for the Russian state to come forward and explain exactly what has gone on." Wallace for his part suggested that Russia "fill in the gaps" of what happened to allow the United Kingdom authorities to pursue their investigation and keep people safe.
 
What we most need to be kept safe from are the bizarre and groundless allegations made about the Skripal incident on 4th of March 2018 and the even more bizarre attempts to link that event with what may have happened to Rowley and Sturgess on 30 June 2018.
 
Making unfounded allegations, blatantly false statements, giving rapidly changing 'explanations' as to how the Skripals became affected, and disregarding all the basic rules is to evidence, logic, scientific principles and the fundamental precepts of what used to be called 'British justice' were certainly characteristics of the Skripal case.
 
Equally disregarding these same basic principles has been true of the failing government of Britain's Theresa May, as well as some of its apologists such as the Lowy Institute's Interpreter article of 6 July that was so riddled with false assumptions, fake 'facts' and unsupported conclusions it may well have been drafted for its author by MI6.
 
The English poet William Taylor Coleridge described poetry as "the willing suspension of disbelief" and it is clear that the UK government and certain sections of the media in both the UK and Australia see the willing suspension of disbelief is the modus operandi in promoting yet another anti-Russian storyline.
 
There was a four-day gap between what happened to Rowley and Sturgess and the first reports of this appearing in the UK media. Given the unusual activity where the pair were found, in a local park, and at the respective homes by people in chemical hazard suits, and the absence of reporting strongly suggests that the UK government had issued yet another 'D' Notice to prevent reporting of the events.
 
The police initially lied to neighbours and other witnesses about what was going on. This fact alone makes the 'Novichok' story highly implausible. If the highly dangerous 'Novichok' class of nerve agents were in fact at random locations in the greater Salisbury area, then public warnings would and should have been given at the earliest opportunity.
 
The attempts to link what has allegedly happened to Rowley and Sturgess in June 2018 with what allegedly happened to the Skripals and Detective Sergeant Bailey in March 2018 is a sure sign of the desperation attached to the British government.
 
I say "allegedly" because if what the scientific literature tells us about substance A234 (allegedly used in the Skripal case) is correct, and there has been no scientific rebuttal of that well established evidence, then none of the victims would be alive today.
 
That is quite separate from the reported findings of the Spietz Laboratory in Switzerland that carried out analyses of samples collected more than three weeks after the Skripal incident that were entirely inconsistent with A234 being the actual cause of their illness (or that of Bailey).
 
The police on this occasion have been more cautious than some of the journalists or politicians. Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu of the Metropolitan Police stressed the importance of the investigation "being led by the evidence available and the facts alone," a wholly welcome degree of caution on a topic more marked by political hysteria and manifestly false information than a cool appraisal of the classic means, motive and opportunity approach to crime solving, with a heavy emphasis on actual evidence as opposed to politically inspired rhetoric.
 
Even with that welcome degree of caution by the police, there are still some very curious elements to this latest case. If the Novichok class of nerve agents are as dangerous as the scientific literature incontestably describes them, why was there a four day delay between Rowley and Sturgess being found and hospitalized and the announcement of the cause of the illness? That delay would surely have exposed others to random phials of nerve agents carelessly left in public spaces.
 
The second curious element is that the nerve agents in question, the inappropriately labeled 'Novichok', have, again according to the scientific literature, a very limited life if exposed to the vagaries of the elements. Yet the Evening Standard in the UK quotes an unnamed and unaffiliated 'security source' as saying that "the poison could be kept deadly for decades" if kept dry. That complete contradiction of the known facts is simply ignored by the rest of the media.
 
The third puzzle is why, if the current explanation for the poisoning of the Skripals was an infected doorknob of Sergei's home (as highly dubious as that claim is) why would the same nerve agent in an as yet undisclosed container be found in a public park well away from the Skripal House and any likely escape route for would-be assassins, four months later in a public park in a still dangerous state, and not noticed by any member of the public or the park's maintenance workers?
 
Some long overdue skepticism about the whole Skripal saga and its alleged links to the latest incident in the mainstream media is to be found in an article by Simon Jenkins in The Guardian on 6 July 2018. Jenkins correctly points out many of the absurdities of the Skripal story and its many still unanswered questions. He points out that where knowledge is non-existent (as in both of these cases) ignorance is bliss. He says that does not apply to government ministers, for whom ignorance is not a sufficient condition for silence.
 
Apart from the aforesaid Mr Javid, most politicians have been relatively restrained in their public reactions to the latest incident. One might hope they learned something after the frankly hysterical and ill-informed over-reaction to the Skripal incident.
 
That may be unduly optimistic. The willingness to blame Russia in the absence of even remotely compelling evidence is a political instinct deep within the western political psyche. On the other hand, the Skripal experience and the British refusal to acknowledge the implausibility of the Skripal's alleged poisoning and its even more implausible aftermath may have led to an awakening realization that it is one's supposed allies and friends that pose the greatest dangers.
 
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:37 AM

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 09:21 AM

It's The Wrong Park!

 

How The Ducks Raise Some Serious Questions In The Salisbury Poisonings

 

 

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 09:38 AM

It's The Wrong Park!
 
How The Ducks Raise Some Serious Questions In The Salisbury Poisonings
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
July 12, 2018
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
According to the Metropolitan Police investigation into the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal, here is a timeline of events on 4th March:
 
13:40: Sergei and Yulia arrived at the Sainsbury's upper level car park in The Maltings. The pair go to The Mill pub.
 
Approximately 14.20: They eat at Zizzi restaurant on Castle Street
 
15:35: They leave the restaurant
 
16:15: Emergency services are called by a member of the public to the bench where Sergei and Yulia are slumped on a bench
 
So: car park, pub, restaurant, bench. Simples? Not so, as we shall see.
 
On 28th March, an article appeared in the Sun, which talked about a 12-year-old boy from Salisbury, Aiden Cooper, who was apparently in a park with his parents, when he saw the Skripals and went over to them to feed the ducks:
 
"A schoolboy told yesterday how he was caught up in the poison spy drama after assassination target Sergei Skripal gave him bread to feed ducks. Aiden Cooper, 12, was playing in a park with pals when they saw Skripal and daughter Yulia beside a stream. They were handed bread and are among the last people to have had contact with the retired ­Russian military intellig­ence colonel, now fighting for his life."
 
Of course, I would always want to have a large bucket of salt on standby when reading anything in The Sun, but in this case I see no reason why they, or the people quoted in the article, would make this up. In any case, the story was repeated in a number of other outlets (The Mirror, The Mail and Metro for instance), and it mentions that the parents only found out about the identity of the breadman when they were contacted by police.
 
Now, the interesting thing about The Mirror, The Mail and Metro pieces is that they are all either very wrong or very vague about a quite crucial detail. The Mirror and The Mail both tell us that the incident took place "near the Avon Playground". And Metro tells us that the incident took place at "Riverside Park".
 
For those of you not familiar with Salisbury, let me shed some light. The Avon Playground mentioned by The Mirror and The Mail is next to the Avon River, and it is also about 50 yards or so from the bench where the Skripals were found (as an aside, this is not the same Avon as in Stratford-upon-Avon. Avon is a Celtic word meaning river). As for Riverside Park mentioned by Metro, this may be a figment of their imagination, as no such named park exists in Salisbury. But the important point is that from the details given in these articles, nobody would think anything other than that the duck-feeding incident took place in the same park as the bench on which the Skripals were found.
 
Yet all three of these media outlets are wrong, and in a way that may well be very significant. Turning back to the report in The Sun, we find that it is by far the most detailed of all the reports on the duck incident. In fact, it appeared three days after the others appeared, with The Sun sending a reporter to interview the boy and his parents. Here is a snippet:
 
"Aiden and his pals are thought to be the youngest of 130 exposed to the nerve agent Novichok, said to have been unleashed in Salisbury by President Vladimir Putin…
 
Aiden's family were alerted after cops traced him from CCTV pics.
 
Aiden's civil engineer dad Luke, 33, said: 'Obviously we had seen the incident on the news but didn't think we were involved at all. Aiden was playing in the park with his friends when they spotted the Russian gentleman and his daughter. Kids being kids they went over and he gave them some bread and they fed the ducks. We didn't think anything of it until two weeks later when then the police knocked on our door.'
 
It was terrifying. We took Aiden to hospital for a load of tests and then the police told us they had to burn everything Aiden was wearing that day.'"
 
So presumably, Aiden and his friends were seen on camera, as was Sergei Skripal and possibly Yulia, and this was on 4th March. We aren't told when in the day this was, but given that the police traced the family, and Aiden then had to go to hospital, it clearly must have been after the police claim Mr Skripal came into contact with nerve agent on his door handle.
 
But here's the significant fact (I am indebted to a lady who contacted me to point it out, and I must say I kicked myself for not having realised it before). Unlike the media outlets mentioned above, The Sun doesn't mention the name of the park, but the piece is accompanied by four photographs of Aiden with his parents in the park where they saw the Skripals, and indeed one of them has the caption "Aiden with his parents by the pond where he spoke to Skripal". Here is one of the pictures:
 
But do you know something? This isn't the Avon Playground. It isn't even the non-existent Riverside Park. Do you want to know where it is? It happens to be Queen Elizabeth Gardens.
 
Why is this important? As you are probably aware, Queen Elizabeth Gardens is now a focal point of Skripal 2.0, as it is alleged to be the place where Dawn Sturgess, who has now sadly passed away, picked up a syringe or a container with the toxic substance in. And whilst I'm not entirely sure whether the location of the duck incident being in Queen Elizabeth Gardens, rather than the Avon Playground, has any bearing in terms of the cases themselves, it does raise three huge questions:
 
Firstly, according to the Metropolitan Police timeline at the top of this piece, there is no mention of Mr Skripal and Yulia going to Queen Elizabeth Gardens. Why is this, since according to the parents of Aiden Cooper, the police knew that they had been there, having seen footage of them feeding the ducks with their son and his friends?
 
Secondly, if the police knew that Mr Skripal and Yulia had been in Queen Elizabeth Gardens, and that this was after they were poisoned (as they claim), why was Queen Elizabeth Gardens not closed off immediately and subject to a clean-up operation, as were other places in the City where the Skripals were known to have visited?
 
Thirdly, assuming the latest official narrative, did the failure to close off and clean up Queen Elizabeth Gardens back in March, when it was known the Skripals had been there, make it more or less likely that someone would come into contact with the alleged nerve agent container at some point?
 
These are serious questions. I think you'll agree that they deserve serious answers.
 
POSTSCRIPT
 
One or two comments suggest that a map would be helpful. Again, I am indebted to the lady who pointed the Queen Elizabeth Gardens connection out to me, who has helpfully created a map with the main areas of interest (see below).
 
Can I just caution about one thing though. The point of my post was not to try and work out whether Queen Elizabeth Gardens is important as regards the original case. I think we could go down endless rabbit holes trying to work out where the Skripals went, when they went there, and what this might mean. Unfortunately, we simply do not know this, as there is too much information that we are not party to.
 
What I am trying to do at the moment is exploit holes in the official story (of which there are more than a few). The police have not included QEG in their timeline, and yet they apparently know that the Skripals were there that day. Why have they not included it? Why did they not close the Gardens down? And had they done so, could this have prevented others from coming into contact with the substance?
 
I am not saying that I necessarily think there was a substance there. There may or may not have been. However, the point is that the authorities are saying this and yet those same authorities apparently know that the Skripals were there on 4th March, but have hushed this up. Therefore, we need to turn up the volume on it and they need to explain themselves.
 
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:11 AM

Where is Sherlock Holmes when you need him?

 

 

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 11:01 AM

 
 

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:24 PM

Grog's challenge:
 
The nerve agent Novichok was NOT used on Sergei Skripal. 
 

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:51 PM

Grog's challenge:
 
 
It probable that Porton Down is linked to these events.
 
Porton Down is an equal distance to both Salisbury and Amesbury.
 

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 01:12 PM

Grog's challenge to the anti-Russian campaign:
 
Novichok has been produced in many countries.
 

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 02:13 PM

 

Grog's challenge:
 
The nerve agent Novichok was NOT used on Sergei Skripal. 
 

 

 

 

The reported findings of the Spietz Laboratory in Switzerland
 
 
 
The reported findings of the Spietz Laboratory in Switzerland that carried out analyses of samples collected more than three weeks after the Skripal incident that were entirely inconsistent with A234 being the actual cause of the illness.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 02:43 PM

Grog's challenge to the anti-Russian campaign:
 
 
 
Silence From A Secret Location 
 
Nothing has been heard of from the Skripals in public, save a stage-managed statement that Yulia gave from a secret location after being spirited away from hospital by intelligence officers.
 

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 04:07 PM

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 04:57 PM

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 01:56 PM

MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH
 
 
 
 
UK Police Find 'Container' Used To Carry Deadly Novichok Nerve Agent
 
 
 
 
 
 
July 13, 2018
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In what appears to be a major breakthrough, UK police say they have recovered a container they believe was used to carry the novichok poison which has left one woman dead and four others critically ill.
 
The FT reports that in a statement on Friday afternoon the Metropolitan Police's counter terror command said it had found a small bottle at the house of Charlie Rowley, a 45 year old man who fell ill after accidentally coming into contact with the deadly substance two weeks ago.
 
Following tests at the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down, scientists confirmed that the bottle contained novichok.
 
Further tests are now to be carried out, police said, to determine whether the agent is the same as the substance used to target the former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in March.
 
Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu, Head of UK Counter Terrorism Policing, said:
 
"This is clearly a significant and positive development. However, we cannot guarantee that there isn't any more of the substance left and cordons will remain in place for some considerable time.
 
This is to allow thorough searches to continue as a precautionary measure for public safety and to assist the investigation team."
 
Public Heath England has urged people in the Salisbury area to not pick up unknown objects, as a precaution.
 
Russia is being blamed for that incident, although the investigation is ongoing and no conclusive evidence has been produced in over four months. Both Skripals survived the alleged poisoning and left hospital for undisclosed locations.
 
Of course, once again, the timing of the 'find' is perfectly coincidental ahead of Monday's Trump-Putin summit.
 
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Posted 15 July 2018 - 03:33 PM

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 03:34 PM

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