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#1 Mario Milano

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 03:58 PM

Published on: Sep 10, 2018 @ 14:29 – 

 

Turkey is back to its games of constant contradictory gestures and apparent vacillations. In the latest of this unfolding horror-show-meets-drama, Turkey is triangulating the U.S’s white phosphorus attacks on several Syrian sites last night, and the shots fired from U.S forces now openly fighting to protect ISIS in the south of Syria in the direction of Syrian allied forces. Turkey is clearly playing upon the increasing threats and open bellicosity, to push Russia and Iran for a better deal for Turkey, of some kind, however it is that they imagine this to be.

 

Editor’s note: As tensions radically escalate exactly along the lines which FRN has accurately forecasted, FRN has been under sustained DDOS attacks from Turkey, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia,  and the U.S’s Atlantic Council and other organs of the Deep State. Therefore, there have been some unfortunate and unavoidable gaps in some coverage, which FRN will attempt to fill in throughout today, conditions permitting. Let’s help show them that they will not silence FRN by helping us with our War Chest. 

 

Today’s statement by Ibrahim Kalin, which should be read in full in the link further down, is quite revealing. FRN’s analysis is that Turkey is not necessarily ‘serious’ about this claim as such, they do come from Kalin and no Erdogan, which is significant.

 

The presence of Turkish military personnel in the Syrian jihadist-held province of Idlib ensures that no military operation will begin there,according to Ibrahim Kalin, a spokesman for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his special advisor. He was educated at Georgetown University and while being Erdogan’s special advisor, represents the still-existing and strongest visible pronouncement of Atlanticist influence upon Turkey. 

 

That aside, Turkey continues to use his presence, as a bargaining chip, to engage in standard methods of bargaining in that part of the world – agreeing, reneging if the agreement came ‘too easy’ or if an opportunity to renegotiate appears to become fruitful.

 

This cultural understanding of the ‘art of the deal’ has, in the view of many experts, been not a net-gain for Turkey or post-Ottoman countries, where this practice remains standard. Valuable for individual merchants and power-brokers, these generally do not work at the level of statecraft unless operating from a position of unquestioned strength – a position the Ottoman Empire once enjoyed for centuries.  At worst, such a move can be deemed a provocation. However, the strategic culture of Russia is such that, in its centuries of experience in dealing defeat after defeat to the Ottoman Empire, does not generally provide for being easily provoked in a military or diplomatic sense. We have seen this principle bear out multiple times in the last few years alone.

 

Here’s the basic thrust of it all:

 

“The presence of the Turkish soldiers in that region is perhaps the only guarantee that a military operation will not start there, since the Russian Aerospace Force and the Syrian government’s [Bashar al-Assad] government forces will not carry out any offensive while the Turkish military are present,” Kalin said in an article in Daily Sabah.

 

According to him, “any attack on Idlib under the pretext of eliminating terrorist groups would undermine the Astana negotiation process” for peace in Syria.

 

“Idlib is a delayed action, any attack on this Syrian province will only bring death and destruction, which would trigger a new wave of migration to Turkey and Europe,” said the Turkish president’s spokesman.

 

We must recall that the Syrian government declared in July that it reserves the right to use military force to recover the province of Idlib if the armed terrorist groups that have controlled it since 2015 reject the peace terms of Damascus.

 

Under the agreements with Damascus, fighters who refused to surrender to government forces in Aleppo, Homs and Eastern Ghouta were gradually moved to Idlib, which since 2017 has been part of a Turkey-sponsored de-escalation zone.

 

At the end of August, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that the al-Nusra Front terrorists were preparing a provocation in Idlib province with chemical weapons against civilians in order to accuse Damascus and give a pretext for the US-led coalition to attack Syria.

 

The US said that it would hold Syria responsible for any and all future chemical attacks in Syria, despite the UN special envoy to Syria, for the Syrian crisis, saying that both sides are capable of producing a chemical attack, at least one based on bleach and other dual-use chemicals. This is despite the US under Obama having officially confirmed that Syria disposed of its chemical weapons a number of years ago, during the mid-point of the conflict.

 

Since 2011, Syria has been the scene of a serious armed conflict in which government troops are confronting armed opposition groups and terrorist organizations.

 

Conflict resolution is being sought on two platforms: in Geneva under the auspices of the UN and in the Kazakhstan capital Astana, co-sponsored by Russia, Turkey and Iran.

 

What we are seeing now is Turkey attempting to renegotiate the terms of Astana, or at least making a gesture that they aim to, or, we must also allow for, a necessary ruse to disarm US interests which still possess some capacity to undermine Erdogan’s authority in an increasingly authoritarian Turkey.

 

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Edited by Mario Milano, 11 September 2018 - 03:59 PM.

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#2 Mario Milano

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 04:21 PM

Turkey helping the Jews again not to lose Syria.....I swear that Erdorat is a stinking Jew rat

 

Has Russia forgotten when that Rat ordered the shoot down of a Russian plane and dead pilots?

 

Think maybe it is time Russia crashed the Turk economy again


Edited by Mario Milano, 11 September 2018 - 04:23 PM.

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 04:58 PM

Well this is it crunch time,Russia and Syria should go and attack Idlib if those Turks get in the way that's their problem,if they back off over Idlib the War will go on for years.


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Posted 11 September 2018 - 05:03 PM

A cockroach with the intention of buying S-400 is still a cockroach...


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#5 Mario Milano

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 05:07 PM

He is still a NATO NAZI piece of shit....Me thinks he agreed to Astana just to sabotage it...Like I said, Turkey is NATO NAZI..

 

Man Russia better make sure those S400's are only effective against NATO planes and auto disable when targeting a Russian plane..The Turk rat has a history now of shooting down Russian planes and getting his terrorists to murder Russian pilots


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Posted 11 September 2018 - 06:41 PM

He is still a NATO NAZI piece of shit....Me thinks he agreed to Astana just to sabotage it...Like I said, Turkey is NATO NAZI..

 

Man Russia better make sure those S400's are only effective against NATO planes and auto disable when targeting a Russian plane..The Turk rat has a history now of shooting down Russian planes and getting his terrorists to murder Russian pilots

To my mind its crackers selling S-400s to Turkey.they should be installing them in Syria and Lebanon.


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#7 Mario Milano

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 06:50 PM

To my mind its crackers selling S-400s to Turkey.they should be installing them in Syria and Lebanon.

Yeh that is what seems to be so fcked up with Russia...They sell S400's to Turkey who have shot down Russian planes and murdered their pilots but won't sell them to Syria who love Russians....


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Posted 11 September 2018 - 08:04 PM

Erdogan Gets No Love From Putin on Idlib, Russia Determined to Smash Sultan's Terrorists

 

 

The upcoming Idlib battle will also be a battle of wills between Moscow and Ankara

 

 

Amberin Zaman Sun, Sep 9, 2018 | 7,579 158
 
 

A critical summit between the presidents of Russia, Iran and Turkey to find common ground on Syria’s rebel-held province of Idlib descended into televised drama today, as Russia’s Vladimir Putin and Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan aired their differences before the cameras. On paper, the leaders reiterated pledges to seek a negotiated solution to Syria’s seven-year conflict, to preserve the country’s territorial unity, to eliminate al-Qaeda-linked terrorists and to assure the safe return of millions of displaced Syrians. But a regime attack on Idlib will likely move ahead despite Turkey’s appeals for more time to use carrot-and-stick diplomacy with the jihadis.

 

Even as the leaders assembled in Tehran, Syrian fighter jets pounded militant targets in the province, reported the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group.

 

 

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Turkey has 12 observation posts in Idlib in keeping with the provisions of the Astana process. The initiative was launched by Turkey, Iran and Russia last year to ease conditions for a cease-fire and eventual peace between the government and the rebels in designated “de-escalation zones.” In practice it has eased the regime’s bloody comeback in rebel-held territories such as Daraa and Ghouta, and now imminently in the last militant stronghold, Idlib, where the al-Qaeda-linked Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), formerly known as Jabhat al-Nusra, dominates. Several thousand Turkish troops manning the observation points will likely find themselves in the crosshairs of the assault and tens of thousands of Syrians would likely flee toward Turkey.

 

Erdogan said with some 3.5 millions Syrian refugees on its hands, Turkey could not take in any more. “An attack on Idlib will result in disaster, massacre, tragedy,” he warned. The Turkish leader even recited a verse from celebrated Iranian poet Saadi: “If you have no sympathy for human pain, the name of human you cannot retain.”

 

But Turkey failed to convince fellow leaders to insert wording for a cease-fire in the summit’s final communiqué. Erdogan’s efforts to reverse this played out live with the leaders and their delegations assembled around a giant white table as the press cameras continued, inexplicably, to roll. A stony-faced Erdogan said the final statement ought to have made a reference to a “cease-fire” because it would bolster the Astana process, ease a solution and mark a victory for the summit.

 

Putin icily retorted, “The armed militants are not present at our table, are not taking part in our talks. The Turkish president is right, generally speaking. It would be nice [if they declared a cease-fire]. But we cannot speak on their behalf and [even less so on behalf of] Jabhat al-Nusra, IS terrorists, that they will stop their attacks, that they will stop using their drones.” Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani could be seen smiling beatifically as Erdogan responded, “We would be making a call on Jabhat al-Nusra, on HTS to lay down their arms.”

 

 

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Analysts agree that the summit did not go well for Erdogan: Kerim Has, a Moscow-based analyst on Russian and Eurasian affairs, told Al-Monitor that the gathering revealed that a joint offensive carried out by Russia-backed regime forces and Iran-backed pro-regime militias “is very near.” The level of mutual trust between Turkey and Russia is “very low,” relations remain “fragile” and Idlib will “present new challenges” to them. Finally, it showed that Turkey needs to be ready for a fresh wave of refugees and that the threat of terrorism is no longer confined to Syria and will be felt “on its own soil, up close and present.” More broadly, Has observed, “Disagreement over Idlib makes it unlikely that Russia and Turkey can agree on an extended presence of Turkish forces in Afrin, Jarablus and Azaz.”

 

Afrin is the mainly Kurdish enclave Turkish troops invaded with Russia’s blessings and rebel boots in March. A report from the Guardian’s Martin Chulov quoted a Kurdish leader as saying that a small number of the US-backed Kurdish Arab militia known as the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) — ostensibly Kurds — had made their way to join Syrian forces in the impending fight for Idlib. The quid pro quo would be regime support to drive Turkey and its rebel proxies out of Afrin. But without Russian buy-in, that would be a highly risky move. Turkey would likely retaliate against the regime and the Kurds, leading to a further and unpredictable conflagration.

 

Like Turkey, the United States is formally opposed to a regime assault on Idlib and Kurdish participation in it. But as Sam Heller, a senior analyst on non-state armed actors at the International Crisis Group, noted, “Despite US official rhetoric, the United States still only seems to have drawn a line at the use of chemical weapons, which — it's clear — would prompt US military action.” However, Heller added in emailed comments to Al-Monitor, “with the exception of a few stray statements, it seems not to be promising any military intervention to halt an offensive.” This suggests Turkey is increasingly isolated as it weighs its next move in Syria.

 

A Western official speaking on condition of anonymity said, “I don’t think the summit was ever supposed to be anything other than a stalling tactic that would distract Turkey and make it look bad.” The official added, “Putin has mastered that tactic for Syria."

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 12:43 AM

Just tell the Turks, You're welcome to visit Idlib, but we are coming in. We won't target Turks in Idlib unless they are helping bandits, murderers etc.


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 07:33 PM

Just tell the Turks, You're welcome to visit Idlib, but we are coming in. We won't target Turks in Idlib unless they are helping bandits, murderers etc.

That's it,bottom line.


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#11 Mario Milano

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 11:07 PM

Syrian War Report – September 12, 2018: Militants Filming Stated Chemical Attack In Idlib

By South Front -September 12, 2018

…from SouthFront

 

On September 11, the US-led coalition and the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) announced that the SDF is kicking off a military operation to eliminate the ISIS-held pocket of Hajin in the Euphrates Valley. According to a coalition spokesman, the SDF ground advance will be backed up by coalition air and artillery strikes.

 

Hajin and nearby villages are the only remaining major ISIS stronghold in Syria, which the terrorist group actively uses to carry out attacks on the eastern and western banks of the Euphrates. Previously, the SDF repeatedly announced that it’s going to clear the pocket. However, by September 11, no real efforts had been taken in this field.

 

If the Hajin pocket is seized by the SDF, the US-backed fore will finally be able to declare the eastern bank of the Euphrates free from ISIS, at least technically.

 

More than 100 US Marines were sent as reinforcements to the US—led coalition garrison in the area of al-Tanf, according to a September 8 announcement by the Pentagon. Many MSM sources described this move as a self-defense effort amid the growing tensions between Russia and the US in the war-torn country.

 

On September 11, the Russian Center for Syrian Reconciliation in Syria stated that militants have already started filming a chemical weapons attack in the city of Jisr al-Shugur in the province of Idlib.

 

“According to the information received from inhabitants of Idlib province, militants are now filming a staged provocation in the city of Jisr al-Shugur, where “chemical weapons” are depicted as being used by the Syrian army against civilians. The film crews of several Middle Eastern TV channels arrived in Jisr al-Shugur in the morning, as well as the regional affiliate of one of the main American television news networks,” the Center said.

 

The plot reportedly envisages staged scenes showing members of the White Helmets pretending to help civilians “after the Syrian army allegedly used the so-called barrel bombs with poisonous substances”.

 

On the same day, during a UN Security Council meeting, the Russian representative Vasily Nebenzya once again emphasized that terrorists in Idlib “must not be shielded because they all are one way or another linked to Al-Qaeda”.

 

It’s interesting to note that the situation in Idlib has once again highlighted differences between the Syrian-Iranian-Russian bloc and Turkey. While Damascus, Teheran and Moscow are actively working to set conditions to eliminate terrorists, Ankara seems to be one of their defenders alongside with Washington.

 

On September 10, Turkish President Recep Erdogan said in the Wall Street Journal that “All members of the international community must understand their responsibilities as the assault on Idlib looms.”

 

“A regime assault would also create serious humanitarian and security risks for Turkey, the rest of Europe and beyond,” he added once again recalling the accusations against the Syrian government in arbitrary arrests, systematic torture, summary executions, barrel bombs and chemical weapons usage.

 

Turkey is against the operation against terrorists in Idlib because it will undermine its plans to further expand its influence within Syria and to rescue a core of the opposition forces capable of showing a real military resistance to the Syrian Army – Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (formerly Jabhat al-Nusra, the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda in Syria).

 

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