Brazil Judge Orders U.S. Citizens Fingerprinted
Posted 31 December 2003 - 03:53 PM
The order, set to go into effect on Jan. 1, came after a government office filed a complaint in federal court over the U.S. measure aimed at millions of foreign travelers.
"Unless the court order is contested in the justice system, it will be complied with," said a spokesman for Brazil's Federal Police, the agency overseeing immigration.
Starting Jan. 5, citizens of countries such as Brazil who need a visa to enter the United States will be fingerprinted and photographed when they pass through immigration at major U.S. airports and seaports.
The procedure is meant to identify people who have violated immigration controls, have a criminal record or belong to groups the U.S. government lists as "terrorist" organizations.
The checks will not be carried out against citizens of 27 nations who do not need a visa to enter the United States.
"I consider the act absolutely brutal, threatening human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis," said Federal Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva in the court order released on Tuesday.
Brazil currently requires U.S. citizens to have a visa when entering the country.
Posted 31 December 2003 - 04:05 PM
"I consider the act absolutely brutal, threatening human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis," said Federal Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva
Right. Like Nazis. This reminds me of the time Homer Simpson is called "worse than Hitler" for smoking in a public building. The lack of a sense of proportion among the anti-W herd of independent minds is frightening. Reminds me of "Jenin-grad". Why not describe the latest car-bombing in Baghdad as "Bagasaki" or "Bagashima"?
Posted 31 December 2003 - 04:12 PM
Even the US had the so called american taliban......
Why do we deserve such treatment?
Posted 31 December 2003 - 04:20 PM
i am ok with being fingerprinted and having my photo taken when traveling to other countries. if it is what it takes to keep people safe i am for it
Posted 31 December 2003 - 04:32 PM
Posted 31 December 2003 - 04:40 PM
But you simply call him anti in the usual American fashion today.
Maybe he is simply pizzed off and fed up with Bush and saying things stronger then he normally would.
Most of the world is pizzed off with Bush and think of him as an aspiring Hitler like creature. He will be too if allowed to continue unstopped.
My own biggest fear in all this is for America/Americans. I fear one day they will wake up to find themselves herded like cattle, and it will be too late then to stop it.
Laugh all you want, but people outside America are not blinded by Bush hiding behind his loyalty trump card like Americans are...Owl
Posted 31 December 2003 - 04:47 PM
Or of the chief of immigration in Venezuela, who is an Arab immigrant with a militant past, currenltly driving the immigration policy in well known directions; Venezuela has many interchanges with Brasil, for what I understand.
By the other side, do USA object to fingerprinting their citiziens arriving in Brasil?
Posted 31 December 2003 - 05:02 PM
I would have said "non americans feelings" but brazilians are also americans.
Making things unconfortable to others undiscrimately is not the best way to make friends and allies. Unfortunately for the US I don't think that fingerprinting anyone will ever made them safer. Is just a matter of turning others lives miserable (taking off shoes, delaying their depart, checking their personal stuff....).
The problem with a war on terror is that terrorists can wait years for attack again. They have all the time and will make their enemies waste a lot of money to believe in safety.
Such a war is not fought with guns. It requires a whole new way to deal with. The US should be investing in make others lives less miseareble, more hopefull and act in a gallant way to earn admiration and cooperation worldwide.
Just follow the opposite direction you are going in.
GiBi: Brazilian "arabs" are as much hard workers than any of the US "arab" community already stablished in the US. How about the "arabs" living in europe? They should not be suspicious of anything.
Posted 31 December 2003 - 05:11 PM
People with no records will come now, and printing will simply anger everyone, cause delays, and catch no one.
Are Americans so stupid to think groups wont act according to how easiet to do the job.
Anyone without a record, and there will be lots of them in terrorist camps today since Bush has pizzed off the world, will be the one pulling off any terrorist actions in America.
Fingerprinting will do what??? Nothing except give the powers to be a huge boondoggle of prints that will grow beyond their ability to keep track of anyone properly in time.
It serves no purpose in safety, but it does start the process of keeping track of citizens. That process will grow and Americans will eventually be watched by big brother twenty four seven, while most of the world simply avoids your country.
In time it affects only American privacy, and Washington knows it...Owl
Posted 31 December 2003 - 05:24 PM
Posted 31 December 2003 - 05:30 PM
Maybe it can be expanded in the homeland so you can be fingerprinted as you holiday driving State to State.
That eventually is where it will lead to.
But since you dont mind, I gues it's okay...
Talk about naive, you Americans are either living in lala land, or plain stupid, or all getting checks from Bush..Owl
Posted 31 December 2003 - 05:45 PM
i guess that is where we differ in opinion. you wouldnt like it i wouldnt care, they can have a picture of my arse on file if they want who cares.
i had finger prints on file since i went into the marine corps and also on file with the fbi from the time i worked the sheriff's deptment.
like i said i could care less
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