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#41 gadfly

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Posted 06 August 2004 - 09:09 PM

"Rich kid..."
D'ya think??!!!
wow! $20 large! :D

In Wa you are not allowed to just have liability, you must have uninsured motorist, and something else, too. If you own any property, you need full coverage so you don't lose everything in a court case. I laugh when men whine about women drivers, because insurance rates will tell us who is bad. :cool:

Up here the nosey bastards will ask if you drink coffee, because if you drink coffee at all you are assumed to drink it while driving, that is a "distraction" and they will charge you more for it. I don't drink it in the car, so I just tell them no. They will also nail you for having a roommate, because if you have a roommate, you WILL loan them your car. :rolleyes:
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#42 Katje

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 02:37 AM

Anyway, that's what I plan to tell the first cop that pulls me over... ;)

Questions, questions...

You have a real job that you have to go to?

You caught me...I'm a grungy street kid living under a Toronto bridge with three other outcasts...we beg for change at intersections with which to surf the web at a local internet cafe...it's a hard life, but we nourish our emaciated souls on the feast of the impending revolution!!! :P

1) What should the USA foreign policy be like?

The US has two rapidly rising competitors on the world scene today: the EU and China. Both are heavily capitalizing on America's massive shortcomings on the world scene in their own way:

The EU, ironically, is vigorously playing the role of First World "White Knight" to the Third World former colonial states it so ruthlessly exploited in centuries past. Having wrested control of the UN, plus (thanks to the neglect of the reactionary Bush regime) the WTO and NATO, their chief weapon is simple obstruction to American imperialist demands, which carries enormous weight with the newly empowered Third World leadership, the G22, led by China, India and Brazil. That, and an alternative, socialistic (and therefore, sympathetic) First World power to fall back on for support and solidarity, far superior to the encumbered Soviet Second World power, now long dead.

And as if that weren't enough, they have a powerful alternative currency to trade with (if you so dare...).

Along the same lines, but far more coy (or shy, given the shocking newness of its global economic power) is China, which is still cautious enough to let certain international events play out without their direct input, despite their major-league economic powerhouse status...as I mentioned on another thread, that will change, once the Japanese and Koreans become disenchanted enough with American client status and accede to their request for an Asian economic union...

In the (powerful) middle? The UK, Russia and India.

This is what America should aspire to. Given the ridiculous amount of international debt the American empire has now accumulated in its rapidly descending status as world emperor (did I mention Bretton Woods? Oh, please, Google Bretton Woods!), it has little choice at this point but to side with one or another rising contender (likely the EU, given ancestral biases) and briefly exploit the superfluous differences between cozy Euro-socialism and ruthless Sino-communism to full effect...

This is why I support Kerry in the great imperial election open to you Americans alone: to support Bush is to prolong an obsolete, pointless situation...

2) Describe the Utopian Katje Government
Anarchism. The elimination of both State and Capital. No person shall presume to dictate to another, ever...(familial necessity exempted...gotta ground the kids once in a while, 'til they find their feet...).

Bit of an uphill climb there, but we'll reach it...
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Posted 07 August 2004 - 02:49 AM

In my New World Order, serial posting will be punished with a firm handed, musical spanking...NO EXCEPTIONS.
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#44 Shilka

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 03:06 AM

Originally posted by Katje
Anyway, that's what I plan to tell the first cop that pulls me over... ;)

Questions, questions...

You have a real job that you have to go to?

You caught me...I'm a grungy street kid living under a Toronto bridge with three other outcasts...we beg for change at intersections with which to surf the web at a local internet cafe...it's a hard life, but we nourish our emaciated souls on the feast of the impending revolution!!! :P

1) What should the USA foreign policy be like?

The US has two rapidly rising competitors on the world scene today: the EU and China. Both are heavily capitalizing on America's massive shortcomings on the world scene in their own way:

The EU, ironically, is vigorously playing the role of First World "White Knight" to the Third World former colonial states it so ruthlessly exploited in centuries past. Having wrested control of the UN, plus (thanks to the neglect of the reactionary Bush regime) the WTO and NATO, their chief weapon is simple obstruction to American imperialist demands, which carries enormous weight with the newly empowered Third World leadership, the G22, led by China, India and Brazil. That, and an alternative, socialistic (and therefore, sympathetic) First World power to fall back on for support and solidarity, far superior to the encumbered Soviet Second World power, now long dead.

And as if that weren't enough, they have a powerful alternative currency to trade with (if you so dare...).

Along the same lines, but far more coy (or shy, given the shocking newness of its global economic power) is China, which is still cautious enough to let certain international events play out without their direct input, despite their major-league economic powerhouse status...as I mentioned on another thread, that will change, once the Japanese and Koreans become disenchanted enough with American client status and accede to their request for an Asian economic union...

In the (powerful) middle? The UK, Russia and India.

This is what America should aspire to. Given the ridiculous amount of international debt the American empire has now accumulated in its rapidly descending status as world emperor (did I mention Bretton Woods? Oh, please, Google Bretton Woods!), it has little choice at this point but to side with one or another rising contender (likely the EU, given ancestral biases) and briefly exploit the superfluous differences between cozy Euro-socialism and ruthless Sino-communism to full effect...

This is why I support Kerry in the great imperial election open to you Americans alone: to support Bush is to prolong an obsolete, pointless situation...

2) Describe the Utopian Katje Government
Anarchism. The elimination of both State and Capital. No person shall presume to dictate to another, ever...(familial necessity exempted...gotta ground the kids once in a while, 'til they find their feet...).

Bit of an uphill climb there, but we'll reach it...




Katje -
Interesting points.

My 1c worth of opinion is that:

Agree that EU and China are becoming major competitors to US.

NATO control still firmly with US. WTO probably as well. UN......well they don't count for anything really........

Many of the 3d world countries are only too happy to kiss USA's butt when given the chance, even though they often pretend to object to USA's imperialistic actions. Money talks.

Agree that using the Euro as an alternate currency can land one into hot water. Just look at what happened to Iraq after they decided to use Euro instead of Dollar for quoting oil prices.

Believe that China is very very coy. They're a patient and clever lot, and are thinking long term, therefore avoiding present confrontations with US. In a few years they'll have a much stronger economy. When that happens they'll be very difficult to control or threaten.

Japanese / Korean / Chinese block? This will never happen. Too much bad history and cultural dislikes between Japan on one side and China / North Korea / South Korea on the other. Japan is utterly dependant on US for trade, so their fates are linked - they will not be divorcing.

The UK is effectively a self-governing USA satellite state, has been since WW2.

Stronger Russia / India alliance quite possible and likely.

Bush v. Kerry? Two sides of the same coin. Privileged white ivy league and power hungry.

Anarchism?
I personally quite like your plan, but it cannot succeed in the real world. Could work in small isolated communities with like minded individuals.

Anarchism requires people to behave reasonably and with consideration for others. Many people are not reasonable or considerate.

Therefore the only way to govern is by force, as represented by government hiding behind the judiciary, police, armed forces etc.
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Posted 07 August 2004 - 03:07 AM

Clearly uncivilized. They will be conquered, subjected and re-programmed accordingly...

We juggle kitties, where I come from...
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#46 Katje

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 03:34 AM

Originally posted by Shilka
Many of the 3d world countries are only too happy to kiss USA's butt when given the chance, even though they often pretend to object to USA's imperialistic actions. Money talks.

What money? Does debt talk, too? :D

Japanese / Korean / Chinese block? This will never happen. Too much bad history and cultural dislikes between Japan on one side and China / North Korea / South Korea on the other. Japan is utterly dependant on US for trade, so their fates are linked - they will not be divorcing.

The EU proved that nations of radically divergent nationalities could bind themselves into a lasting commanility...why couldn't them clever Asians, as well?

Bush v. Kerry? Two sides of the same coin. Privileged white ivy league and power hungry.

With much respect, much has changed in the last few years...

Kerry is, pure and simple, Euro power manifested on American soil. Before you get too antsy about that, remember that your only other choice is Chinese indecisiveness...

Bush isn't a choice, only a stalling tactic...

Anarchism?
I personally quite like your plan, but it cannot succeed in the real world. Could work in small isolated communities with like minded individuals.

Dear ol' Picka asked me about my opinions about a "utopian" government, and I answered honestly...

The "real world" will be swept away within a generation...
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#47 Shilka

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 03:54 AM

Originally posted by Katje
What money? Does debt talk, too? :D

The EU proved that nations of radically divergent nationalities could bind themselves into a lasting commanility...why couldn't them clever Asians, as well?

With much respect, much has changed in the last few years...

Kerry is, pure and simple, Euro power manifested on American soil. Before you get too antsy about that, remember that your only other choice is Chinese indecisiveness...

Bush isn't a choice, only a stalling tactic...

Dear ol' Picka asked me about my opinions about a "utopian" government, and I answered honestly...

The "real world" will be swept away within a generation...



Hehe, there's no unity in Europe, even less love lost. Paris / Berlin lead, the others follow, kicking and screaming all the way.

Them Asians are clever, but there is no particular incentive for the Chinese or Koreans to start liking the Japanese and vice versa.

Kerry = Euro power manifested on US soil? US is a country of immigrants. Most of the ruling classes are from Euro descent.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see much difference between Kerry or Bush. Bush is a grim choice, as is Kerry. It's the Devil you know vs. the Devil you don't.

You reckon today's world, ie the real world will be swept away within a generation? As far as I can tell we're heading (at least in the 1st world) towards an overcrowded police superstate where everything is regulated, controlled and policed.

Think it's time to start looking at a nice 3'D world country to move to before it gets to that point.
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#48 Katje

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 03:54 AM

Okay, I admit it...I "pet the kitty" on occasion..

So what?!
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#49 Katje

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 04:30 AM

Originally posted by Shilka
Hehe, there's no unity in Europe, even less love lost. Paris / Berlin lead, the others follow, kicking and screaming all the way.

Shadow governance...it was with the same methods that America struck out and claimed its domain...

Them Asians are clever, but there is no particular incentive for the Chinese or Koreans to start liking the Japanese and vice versa...

The Chinese and Japanese have been working together for some time now...Japanese influence on South Korea and Chinese on the DPRK are bound to merge productively, the main American antagonist negated in a fit of furious Asian consensus...remember how vicious the Filipinos got over Vietnam? :D

Kerry = Euro power manifested on US soil? US is a country of immigrants. Most of the ruling classes are from Euro descent.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see much difference between Kerry or Bush. Bush is a grim choice, as is Kerry. It's the Devil you know vs. the Devil you don't.

Even the Devil offers you the oppurtunity of escape, once in a while...

If you don't recognize that, at this point of time, this foci of history, you have the Devil's balls on a silver plate, than I truly feel sorry for you...I guess you've fallen for the message above and beyond your capacity for reason or oppurtunity...Others will act in your name, therefore...
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#50 Shilka

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 04:36 AM

Oh well, it matters not. Seeing as I'm no eligible US voter :D :D

Besides, I'm an anarchist at heart. Authority sux.
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#51 gadfly

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 05:03 AM

Authority sux until you need it. ;)

I do agree that government should be very very small, and should only perform very specific functions.

I'm starting to find Katje very interesting....
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#52 Shilka

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 05:05 AM

I'm starting to find Katje very interesting....



Yeah, you've obviously been reading her correspondence with Nasty :eek:
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#53 picka

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 06:05 AM

Originally posted by gadfly
"Rich kid..."
D'ya think??!!!
wow! $20 large! :D

In Wa you are not allowed to just have liability, you must have uninsured motorist, and something else, too. If you own any property, you need full coverage so you don't lose everything in a court case. I laugh when men whine about women drivers, because insurance rates will tell us who is bad. :cool:

Up here the nosey bastards will ask if you drink coffee, because if you drink coffee at all you are assumed to drink it while driving, that is a "distraction" and they will charge you more for it. I don't drink it in the car, so I just tell them no. They will also nail you for having a roommate, because if you have a roommate, you WILL loan them your car. :rolleyes:



Women get away with stuff more. I know that for a fact!
Guys end up in a drainage ditch more often.

Women just didn't INTEND to drive recklessly when they are in the ditch...

I have under/unisured motorist too....I just meant nothing to cover MY vehicles.
Your insurance goes up for bad credit too! Cause I guess financial difficulties equates to vehicle operational difficulties as well.
I am sure you could find any number of statistical correlations to charge higher insurance rates. They just use the ones they can get away with.
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Posted 07 August 2004 - 06:13 AM

Originally posted by Katje
Okay, I admit it...I "pet the kitty" on occasion..

So what?!



I think we need to delve into this area more fully.
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Posted 07 August 2004 - 06:19 AM

Originally posted by Katje
What money? Does debt talk, too? :D

The EU proved that nations of radically divergent nationalities could bind themselves into a lasting commanility...why couldn't them clever Asians, as well?

With much respect, much has changed in the last few years...

Kerry is, pure and simple, Euro power manifested on American soil. Before you get too antsy about that, remember that your only other choice is Chinese indecisiveness...

Bush isn't a choice, only a stalling tactic...

Dear ol' Picka asked me about my opinions about a "utopian" government, and I answered honestly...

The "real world" will be swept away within a generation...



You didn't answer the JOB question honestly.:mad:

Anarchy:rolleyes: That'll never work. Not the happy get along anarchy. Maybe the everybody for themsleves lawless wasteland kind....

So, Katje, how about your ideal, potentially REALWORLD government.

What about all the debt owed the USofA, do we get it? Or do we just get to call our debt even? Or are ya talking about US consumer debt?
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Posted 07 August 2004 - 08:31 AM

Velvet Acid Christ
"sadder still"

is a cool tune:)
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#57 Katje

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 11:42 AM

Let's see, doc...

I remember an increasingly fractious argument with Shilka (I'm pretty sure the guy on the left in his avatar is totally out to get me, but the guy on the right is coming around...the guy in the middle never says anything...)...trying to pet kitten NastasyA backwards (she said something in Russian that I'm simply positive is an insult...I tried reporting it to Bardak moderator SCA, but he growled something about "moo-slums", called me a "faggot" and disappeared)...some post about Filipinos and the Devil's balls (:confused: )...then there was this pretty white tunnel with my grandma at the end of it, beckoning to me...:D

By all means, kids, avoid a spirited and delicious little drink called Steel Reserve...I woke up horizontally with what was left of its 40 ounce version cuddled up next to me on the floor...Devil's brew, for sure...can't wait for a return visit come Monday (my B-day, BTW...send cash, not presents!)...:cool:

Oh great. Now Picka's ticked and asking about my vocation again...Think I'll tell him "stripper" this time...I've got the body for it, but not the moves...I dance like Elaine on "Seinfeld"...

Fridays were made for Bardak... :D
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#58 gadfly

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 02:36 PM

Snort, No Shilka, I was referring to the other posts, not the "kitty petting" posts. ;)
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Posted 07 August 2004 - 05:27 PM

Originally posted by gadfly
Snort, No Shilka, I was referring to the other posts, not the "kitty petting" posts. ;)





mmmmmmm........kitty petting:p
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#60 picka

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 05:35 PM

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But you knew this already. (Well, maybe not the reach-and-peek part.) It's why you did crunches today. (And if you didn't, you should check out The Abs Diet) But there's more to lust than abs.

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