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[Dr. Arthur Ide]

Originally posted by futsnfup
I was wondering exactly where you got your so-called "Intel" from? Being a veteran and ex-military intel type myself, I just have to know. Is your intel based on conversations you've had with some of your Arab hating buddies in the barracks? It's pretty obvious from your comments that you haven't worked any ops focused on the Middle East, if you've ever worked in the Intelligence community at all.
Do you honestly believe that our country was blindsided by the attacks of September 11th? Do you honestly believe that the NSA had email correspondence detailing these attacks but failed to produce a translation until three days after the attack? C'mon, is this how Intel was handled in any unit or agency you ever worked with? Have you ever, in your supposed intel career, witnessed an intercepted transmission, of any type, that was then left to sit for three days untranslated? We don't intercept communications to shelve them. That's not how it works, if you've worked in intel, you know this!
Remember Pearl Harbor. We let an attack happen once. What makes you think our government wouldn't let it happen again? Without 9/11 the door to war in the Middle East would have remained closed to this administration. Do a little digging of your own. Especially keep your eye on what Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Perle were up to in the 90's. They have been looking for a catalyst to ignite that region for the last 12 years. The evidence is out there...... use your intel skills to go get it!

The intelligence community in the USA government does whatever the current regime wants it to ferret out. It ignores that which will help the administration.

Both CIA and FBI knew of the impending 9/11 threat. Both elected to ignore it on the advice of John Ashcroft who was working with Wolfowitz and Rumfeld to turn simple-minded W Bush into a blazing warhawk--and succeeded.

No American needed to die in the WTC--that was strictly determined by Wolfowitz and Bush in consultation with his father HW who believed a war would redeem his tarnished reputation.

[YUGO]

"It would make sense to tax the family of each child born into its circle. Taxes are a deterent. But if that is too extreme, let us legalize abortion on demand, ). "'

Good Sir...of the annual pop growth, approx 80% comes from the third world, China and India account for about half, and most of the growth achieved by the US is via immigration of 600 000 per yr+some illegals.
And certain market sectors want more pop{building}+ I suspect like Australia, the US needs more young workers to support the aging population....IOW, the rational{LOL} developed societies are population shifting to suit the demands of the economic system with little regard for the ecology.

Bush and his henchmen may think that they can guarantee supply of oil by installing puppet gov's, but as the US and other developed countries run ecological deficits, these puppet gov's will be overthrown by the poor who have have their lands taken in the name of Industrialization{displacement is the euphemism for forceful removal from your land in the name of "progress"}.

Syria, followed by Iran and presumably SA....and presumably before Nov 04.



""Still want the screwdriver drink? I hope so."'

Yeah plus a bucket of KFC for good measure, lol.

[Dr. Arthur Ide]

Originally posted by YUGO
"It would make sense to tax the family of each child born into its circle. Taxes are a deterent. But if that is too extreme, let us legalize abortion on demand, ). "'

Good Sir...of the annual pop growth, approx 80% comes from the third world, China and India account for about half, and most of the growth achieved by the US is via immigration of 600 000 per yr+some illegals.
And certain market sectors want more pop{building}+ I suspect like Australia, the US needs more young workers to support the aging population....IOW, the rational{LOL} developed societies are population shifting to suit the demands of the economic system with little regard for the ecology.

Bush and his henchmen may think that they can guarantee supply of oil by installing puppet gov's, but as the US and other developed countries run ecological deficits, these puppet gov's will be overthrown by the poor who have have their lands taken in the name of Industrialization{displacement is the euphemism for forceful removal from your land in the name of "progress"}.

Syria, followed by Iran and presumably SA....and presumably before Nov 04.



""Still want the screwdriver drink? I hope so."'

Yeah plus a bucket of KFC for good measure, lol.

A full bucket! You will have my undivided attention.

As to your comments about third world countries being the womb of overpopulation--you are, sadly, correct--and it will get worse the longer W Bush and his GOP goons stay in power, for they refuse to sponsor or pay for population control or family planning. They are worried more about souls unborn than the starvation and pent up rage that occurs when they living are here and increasing numbers.

Overpopulation is always the catalyst for war. Thus Urban II called for his infamous crusade in 1099 at Claremont, urging the second and third sons to take up the cross and fight in Palestine for Jerusalem's conquest--rather than fight each other and thus deplete the stagnating upper nobility. If one trace's W's lineage, he goes directly into this pot of anger and hatred.

That is why I fully support abortion on demand, argue forcefully that families be taxed geometrically as their progeny increase, and urge the legalization of homosexuality and benefits for the childless couples--regardless of sexual orientation or action.

Let us get together over that bucket!

[YUGO]

I've sent you a couple of PM's, please respond at your convenience.

Thanks.

EDIT:..I've sent another one, and btw, there is a feature in your profile that will enable a "pop up box" to alert you of incoming PM's.

[Dr. Arthur Ide]

Originally posted by Archaist
The Zionists inside the US government must be brought to justice and the troops must be withdrawn from overseas.

Only then America could become free from any future attacks by some Bin Ladden or other whom we ourselves created
through our 'benevolent' foreign policy.

Archaist, you rightfully wrote: "The Zionists inside the US government must be brought to justice and the troops must be withdrawn from overseas.

Only then America could become free from any future attacks by some Bin Ladden or other whom we ourselves created
through our 'benevolent' foreign policy. " But it must go further.

There will be no peace until George W. Bush and his nefarious cabinet and advisers are tried before a world court for crimes against humanity. The military must be chastised and its evil doers who murdered innocent women, children, and elderly riding in cars, eating in restaurants, etc. by bombing, torpedoing, etc. are punished with prison or execution. There is no justification for this evil war waged by the string puller of the axis of evil: the USA that controls the UK and the UN for the sake of winning Jewish votes in 2004.

[Dr. Arthur Ide]

Originally posted by Archaist
The Jewish lobby in Washington
had already Israelized this government to such an extent,
that only the intervention from the international community
could produce
complete erdication of this terrible evil
from the face of this Earth.

Sadly, the American people themselves still do not have an ability to rise against the criminals
committing unspeakable war crimes against other nations.

If we don't stop them now, the war may bring irreversible consequences,
as long as we allow the Israeli Lobby
along with various Israelized politicians in the government
to do whatever they wish.

To set the record straight, my family is Jewish, but we are all against the Zionist movement and the State of Israel. You are right that we must stop the Israeli/Zionist lobby, but that will not happen as the average American is more afraid of an Arab because of Osama bin Laden, than the Israeli terrorists and mass murderers who slaughter civilians in the captured Arab lands of the West Bank and Golan Heights. The support for Israel will intensify if the Democratic Party is stupid and selects Senator Joseph Leiberman as its candidate--a man less qualified for public office than anyone with the single exception of George W. Bush.

I do support you, colleague. The Israeli lobby is a threat against world peace.

[Dr. Arthur Ide]

Originally posted by Archaist
Your mind is cloged with propoganda,
such as the Bush administration needs
to continue waging their criminally illegal war.

Other than that, try to visit Palestinian territories
and see for yourself the conditions of poverty and horror
that the Israeli terrorists imposed
on Palestinian people.

You sagely noted: " try to visit Palestinian territories
and see for yourself the conditions of poverty and horror
that the Israeli terrorists imposed
on Palestinian people."

I have been to these camps. They are more filfthy than anything in Nazi Germany. It is astounding that the Israeli continue this suppression of a proud people. I fully understand why the Palestinians so fervently hate the Israelis. Israel is a menance to civilization.

[Mark7567]

I think all the terrorist groups are as bad as each other. If you care to disagree with me on this point then you would be foolish, for you cannot like yourself when you do not know your enemy.

[Dr. Arthur Ide]

Originally posted by isrdeu
Jewish terrorist groups? - Your information is coming from the same source that nourishes the Islamic terror. There was before more than a decade a group of Jews that in face of the failure of the Israeli security forces to handle then the murderous Islamic terror, organized to retaliate. They were captured and imprisoned for many years . Today there is no Jewish terror groups. There are many legends the Plestinians dspread about without any grounds.

Endless slaughtering?

Like the 1000 night and night stories about a masacare in Jenin?
The only slaughters were when innicent Israeli citizens entered by mistake into areas occupied by the Arabs. They were slaughtered by a mob . Just for your knowledge Israel is the only real Democracy within the Middle East jungle. If there was only a bit of what you are speaking about, the govrnment would fall. When to two terrorists take over an Israeli bus and murdered Israeli citizens, and afterward were killed by the security forces , there was an investigation committee. The father of the junior Asad in Syria (the neputist democracy of terror) masacared more than 40,000 syrians in Hamma at the north of Syria just because they demonstrated. Where have you been then?

My shallow knowledge of history? How is your knowledge? do you have at all except your very "deep sense of conscience" when it comes to your people? Just tell me one fact wrong in my response.

You are obviously reading Inside Israel Today. I also get it. And it is pure propaganda. So little is true. Even Israeli Insider.com is propaganda with no third-eye witness accounts.

ArabNews will give a different side. Therefore, you need to look at nuetral accounts--such as the Swiss, and even the Scandinavians see the Israelis as terrorists.

[Dr. Arthur Ide]

Originally posted by isrdeu
I had been in the West Bank and your conscience point has nothing to do with the issue. There was never a a Palestinian problem for the world. We saw in the 20th century how millions of refugees rebuilt their life. Israel created the so called Palestinian people. If you know history there was never an Arabic Palestinian entity of any sort. The land was rulled over centuries by the Turkes, British and other. Through these centuries many tribes were gathered in this land but there were never an independent state after the Jews were exiled from their land before 2000 years. The only independent state was the Jewish state of the kings David and Salomon.

If there is an humanic problem with the Palestinian, the first to be blamed are themselves, and than the whole Arabic/Islamic world. Israel was ready from the first day of its establishment to help them to rebuilt their life. The obstacles for that humanic aid were the so called Palestinians, and the Arabic world that declared wars against Israel (at least 5 times from its establishment).

There are refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza strip. If they need help , let the Arab world do it. They are the responsible and they are to be blamed of. For the time being Israel should not and will not give up nothing for words and papers. The security of the Jews in Israel is above and before any humanic steps. The security of Israel and its Jewish citizens is the guarantee to world's peace and security.

If you are so worried about conscience, stop worrying. The escape goat of the Antisemitic world when it comes to the conclusion that Israel is not going to give up, is the conscience matter. I suggest you start to worry about the millions starving to death in Africa, and slavery yet existing in Saudi Arabia, the inhuman conduct against women in the Arabic/Islamic world. After solving these problems , give us a call.

If you insist to concentrate in this part of the world I suggest to visit first the Hospitals where the victims of your beloved martyrs are hospitalized, the widows, the orphans , and the Jewish people that lost their beloved by the criminals you favour.

Israel was created by the emerging UN led by UK and USA to fashion a state based on a mythical past. Yet this mythical past, glorified in the ramblings of the Old Testament only show that the Jews stole the land from the Palestinians--the Philistines--and forced their will over everyone in the name of their agricultural god Yahweh who at best was a mean-spirited tyrant.

The Jews in their premedieval days were polytheists--worshipping many gods (elohim is a plural noun) as witnessed by the story of Jacob and others. The sack of Jericho was out of greed, as no god had any plans against it--the story was written centuries after the fact with the invention of Moses from Tutmosis of Egypt.

Antisemitism has nothing to do with it. My family is Jewish. What counts is serious history. Not bunk and nonsense the government of Israel is putting out.

[Mark7567]

Land, Land, Land, is that all your religion means? So what who it belongs to. If the Israelis and the Palestinians good just setle something out and let people go on pilgrimages (of coarse that will be in the distant future). I think the problem here is pride and stubborness.


Are you not suppost 'to love thy neighbour'. Does your religion teach you to hate or forgive. In my opinion wars based on religion are foolish and pointless for who are you representing?