Mujahedin freedom fighters taking control of Baghdad, fascists on the run
Posted 10 April 2003 - 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Frunze
One again the cowardice of Anglo-American fascists shows through. Freedom fighters armed with AK-47s and RPGs taking control of Baghdad, fascists retreat to strongholds and call in air strikes.
Cowardice or intelligence?
I wonder, if you saw a bunch of Iraqis who had nothing to lose and would fight to the death, would you back off and let them die from bombs from above, or fight them hand-to-hand in some deluded vision of "what is honorable".
It's a war. We do what we can do win - which means killing as many of the enemy as we can while minimizing our losses.
Should we pull a Stalin on them and issue one gun for 3 men and have them charge the enemy, and assume that eventually they will run out of bullets for shooting our soldiers?
Posted 10 April 2003 - 05:39 PM
>Should we pull a Stalin on them and issue one gun for 3 men and have them charge the enemy, and assume that eventually they will run out of bullets for shooting our soldiers?
Your excuse for going in, was the WMD ... and ousting Saddam, what do you want to stay there for ... isn't their lack of freedom, only because of Saddam and Saddam alone?
Posted 10 April 2003 - 11:32 PM
Resistance To Zionists
Pan-Arab Islamics Defy US Troops
4/10/03 12:21:18 PM
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Baghdad, Iraq --
Volunteers resist US troops in Baghdad
Twenty-one Iraqis were killed and one United States Marine was shot dead in separate firefights in Baghdad, only a
day after invading US-led forces occupied the centre of the capital. Large numbers of non-Iraqi Arab fighters took to
the streets resisting the US forces in several areas.
The volunteer fighters were in control of several Baghdad streets in the Adhamiya district, where a mosque is located,
and also in the nearby Waziriya district. Fighters said to be non-Iraqi Arabs were manning checkpoints and patrolling
the area. They were also out in force on the streets of the Mansur district west of the Tigris river, close to the Iraqi
intelligence service headquarters.
US planes swooped overhead, hitting targets in areas under Arab control. But the invading troops were nowhere to be
seen in Mansur. There was also no sign of Iraqi forces. Abandoned Iraqi artillery pieces and missile launchers littered
Arab fighters appeared to be putting up the main resistance to the 15,000 US troops in the city. Thousands of
volunteers from across the Muslim world are reported to be in Iraq. Ahead of the war, an audio tape from al-Qaeda
leader Osama bin Laden exhorted Muslims to fight US forces.
In southwest Baghdad, after a heavy bout of fighting, the bodies of at least 21 Iraqis were found. The victims seemed
a mix of soldiers and civilians. Eyewitnesses said the deaths were a direct result of the fighting, and that US soldiers
had removed many more bodies.
Meanwhile at a Baghdad mosque where President Saddam Hussein and other senior leaders were thought to have
taken shelter, the invading forces fought a fierce four-hour battle. Simultaneously, on Thursday, US warplanes
attacked areas of the city still under the control of Iraqi and Arab fighters.
US military officials said one US Marine was killed and more than 20 wounded in the fighting near the Imam al-Adham
Mosque north of the city centre and near a presidential palace.
"We had information that a group of regime leadership was attempting to organise a meeting. The fighting in and
around the mosque complex could not be avoided as enemy forces were firing from the area of the mosque," said
Captain Frank Thorp, spokesman at US Central Command war headquarters in Qatar.
US military officials in Baghdad, reacting to the fighting around the mosque said they could not confirm whether
Saddam Hussein had been in the area but that the Marines were aiming at targets of "significant military value". "The
mission was successful," they said, adding that fighting lasted more than four hours, with Marines coming under fire
from rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and AK-47 assault rifles.
The fighting was over but the Marines were "still clearing the mess up,' they said.
In the northeast, US troops swept through the Saddam City district in the early hours of Thursday, blasting resistance
forces with heavy artillery, mortar and machine-gun fire.
Planes buzzed the area in support of the US units and soldiers reported seeing Iraqi anti-aircraft fire arching up into
the night sky against the noisy but invisible aircraft. ---Al Jazeera with agencies
here you have it ....
go to hell USA
Posted 11 April 2003 - 12:35 AM
day after invading US-led forces occupied the centre of the capital. Large numbers of non-Iraqi Arab fighters took to..."
If this is accurate, it means the "freedom fighters" are organized. Which may also mean they are Al Quiada supported at least. The Iraqi people are going to hate that.
I recall a BBC reporter 6 months before the Afghan war recalling how he was stopped by Taliban guards. He thought they wanted to destroy his videos and equipment. There was a few smashed videos at the their checkpoint. Turned out they were show. All the Taliban guys wanted was if he had any western movies. They were sick of Titanic.
The were Afghans. They hated the Taliban leaders, and hated the Al Quaida foriegn legion. An Egyptian Al Qaida officer drove up and told the guards he wanted to take the reporter as a hostage.
The Egyptian was not familar with the district. The Afghan Talibans said OK. They directed the Egyptian down a road and said they would follow with the reporter a little later.
The Egyptian took off and within 30 seconds his car hit a mine. The Afghans laughed and told the reporter they really didn't like these foriegners. Then they asked him to tell them all about England and Big Ben and the Tower of London and so on.
BBC story. Told it from memory. Can't find the link.
Posted 11 April 2003 - 12:47 AM
Who said we are staying? So you think the moment a tank rolls into Baghdad it's over and we should pack up and go home? And then what? Let everyone else duke it out and slaughter each other in a power struggle?
No, we need to
a) Dismantle the regime. This appears to be 90% done
Install a temporary government entity with a clear and defined path to free elections. This is apparently only 10% done
c) Search for WMD and ties between other nations and Iraq's WMD (if we find them). This will take 60-90 days to really throughly do a good job of
d) Gradually remove forces and effect a smooth transition from Saddam->USA->Free Iraq.
Were at stage A. Don't rush us... it takes time for us to work our magic of transforming nations from the toilet to glorious civilizations. We can do for Iraq what we did for Germany, Japan, S. Korea and others.
P.S. Thanks for the help in WW2 - you guys were lifesavers!
Posted 11 April 2003 - 02:13 AM
I feel sorry for you. Movies are movies and rarely correspond to historical reality. I hope one day you will understand this and not consider movies historical fact.
You know the movie "Enemy at the Gates" was banned in Volgograd for its disgusting perversion of history? The scene showing Red Army soldiers sharing a rifle amoung several of them while charging enemy lines was one of the scenes mentioned specifically by the veterans in demanding the movie be banned.
The Red Army was poorly armed compared with Nazis until late 1942 or early 1943 when they reached approximate pararity and then took over.
So, USA forfascists, if you are 10 years-old or younger, I understand. If older, you are a spastic fool.
Is this your little attempt at reverse psychology? Slavery is freedom, war is peace.........what kind of society does this apply to?
Posted 11 April 2003 - 04:12 AM
I see you need some education.
After Hitler turned on his partner Stalin, the beginning of the war was spent denying that he was at war was happening, else look stupid.
The tactics of the Russian "generals" was to throw bodies at the Nazis to slow them down. The concept of flanking movement was beyond them. Line em up, and charge.
Anyway, leadership stupidity contributed a lot to the horrific losses of the Russians (approx 20 million killed).
Not to say spectacular bravery wasn't shown on the part of the Russian soldier, it was. Russian won inspite of the leadership, and the fact that they had great engineers.
Stalin also had the good sense to shoot many of the early generals, which helped considerably.
Posted 11 April 2003 - 06:31 AM
So I need an education now???? Should I get one at the local video store like you or would at "one of the best universities in USA" like Skyraz or elsewhere?
Let me reiterate that in your statement: "Should we pull a Stalin on them and issue one gun for 3 men and have them charge the enemy, and assume that eventually they will run out of bullets for shooting our soldiers?"
You are mistaking a hollywood movie with historical fact and the fact is that such a thing only ever happened....in a hollwood movie. Understand moron?
Now, how the fu.kk could the (Soviet, not Russian) Red Army in the first weeks of the war flank the Nazis??? Should they have prayed for god in the sky to send them heavy armor and air cover?
The Soviet Republic (not Russia) had to build its military from the start of the conflict while the Nazis had been building theirs for years. There were some mistakes made and I know of at least 1 officer shot for gross dereliction of duty in the first months of the conflict. Its also true that some Red officers were in there because of their political, not military credentials.
Of course your suggestions that Soviet losses were as a result of inept generals in general just shows what an ignorant moron you are. Georgi Zhukov, considered by military historians to be the greatest military commander of modern history without doubt and arguably the greatest ever along with Caesar. It was he who after smashing Japanese armies in Mongolia led the defense of the USSR. Was later put in charge specifically of the defense of Moscow where the Nazis suffered their first ever defeat. Then he went onto the command the Southern Front and counter-offensive around Stalingrad where the Nazi 6th army along with Italian, Hugarian and Romanian armies were destryed (but was not in chrage of Stalingrad itself), then went onto the battle of Orel and Kursk (which remains to this day the greatest battle in recorded history) and finally led the 1st Byelorussian Army into Berlin.
.......I wonder if USA "military geniouses" like Tommy Franks could have done better???? He would never have gotten above the rank of captain in the Red Army.
So, finally my point is that it just shows what an ignorant moron you are to first of think of a hollywood movie as historical reality and what an ignorant moron you are for suggesting that Soviet losses in the first weeks of the war were as a result of inept officers....like Georgi Zhukov.
Posted 11 April 2003 - 06:45 AM
In this case it would be the duty of anyone present to shoot him in the head!
Posted 11 April 2003 - 07:01 AM
You need to open your mind to the pain that totalitarinism has imposed upon Mother Russia, as well as many other places.
I posted this list for Houlin, but I'll do it again for you.
Some on this list are propagandists I'm sure.
Some are Jews.
Many are Russians.
Many are Soviets that saw what was going on and got the hell out.
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