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#261 Saddam


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Posted 10 May 2003 - 04:51 PM

The Jews are the new Nazis and because of there superior
intelligence are set to rule the world.

redmike , I wouldn't agree on " superior intelligence" regarding Jews. Another term is needed.
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Posted 10 May 2003 - 05:00 PM

"I've never seen a president --I don't care who he is-- stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles your mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what's going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what grip those people have on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens don't have any idea what goes on."
--Admiral Thomas Moorer of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. (See Washington Report 12/1999, p.124 quoting from Andrew Hurley's book, "One Nation Under Israel")

"... terrific control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have built up on congressmen .... I am very much concerned over the fact that the Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don't approve of. The Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential Jewish people in the country"
-- Sec. of State John Foster Dulles in Feb. 1957 quoted on p.99 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff
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Posted 10 May 2003 - 07:10 PM

1 - The Israeli-Zionist Lobby in the United States
by Roger Garaudy
"The Israeli Prime Minister has a lot more influence over the foreign policy of the United States in the Middle East than he has in his own country."

Source: Paul Findley, "They Dare to Speak Out", p. 92

How were such myths able to lead to such deep-rooted beliefs in millions of sincere people?

- By the creation of all-powerful "lobbies" capable of influencing the action of politicians and of conditioning public opinion.

The modes of action are adapted to the country. In the United States, where 6 million Jews live, the "Jewish vote" can be an important factor in determining the electoral majority where (because of the high number of abstentions and the absence of major policy differences between the two parties) victory can often be had with a margin of 3% or 4%.

"What's more, the volatility of public opinion, which depends to a large extent on the "look" of the candidate or on his performance on television, depends on the budget of his committees and of the potential of his marketing policy.'In 1988 the American Senate elections required an advertising budget of 500 million dollars.'"

Source: Alain COTTA, "Capitalism in all its States," Ed. FAYARD 1991. p. 158
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Posted 10 May 2003 - 07:11 PM

The most powerful officially listed lobby on the Capitol is the A.I.P.A.C. ("American Israel Public Affairs Committee")

The strength of the Israelis in the U.S. as early as 1942, is such that at the Biltmore Hotel in New York a maximalist convention decides that it is necessary to move from the "Jewish homeland in Palestine" (promised by Balfour: a slow colonization by buying land under British or American protection) to the creation of a "sovereign Jewish state".

The duplicity which characterizes the whole history of political zionism is expressed in the "interpretations" of what was to be the outcome of Herzl's efforts: "The Balfour Declaration" (in 1917). The formula of a "national Jewish homeland" is taken up again at the Congress of Basle. Lord Rothschild had prepared a declaration advocating "the national principle of the Jewish people". Balfour's final declaration does not talk any more about all Palestine, but only about the "establishment in Palestine of a national homeland for the Jewish people". In actual fact everybody says "homeland" (as if it were a spiritual and cultural center), and, in reality, thinks "State", as did Herzl himself. Lloyd George wrote in his book: "The Truth About the Peace Treaties", (Ed. Gollancz 1938, vol. 2, pp. 1138 39): "There could be no doubt about what the members of the cabinet had in mind at the time... Palestine would become an independent state." It is significant that General Smuts, a member of the War Cabinet, declared in Johannesburg on 3 November 1915: "Over the coming generations, you will see the emergence over there (in Palestine) once again, of a great Jewish state."

On 26 January 1919 Lord Curzon wrote: "While Weizman is telling you one thing, and you are thinking "Jewish national homeland", he has something completely different in mind. He is envisaging a Jewish state and a subjugated Arab population governed by Jews. He is trying to realize this behind the protective screen of the British guarantee."

Weizman had clearly explained to the British government that the objective of zionism was to create a "Jewish state" (with 4 or 5 million Jews). Lloyd George and Balfour gave him the assurance"that by using the term "national homeland" in the Balfour Declaration, we did indeed mean a Jewish state."
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Posted 10 May 2003 - 07:30 PM

On 14 May 1948 Ben Gurion proclaims independence at Tel Aviv:

" The Jewish state in Palestine will be called Israel".

Despite the divergence between those who, like Ben Gurion, considered it a duty for every Jew in the world to come and live in Israel, and those who thought that the action of the Jews in America was more important, in the very interest of Israel, it was the latter tendency which was to be more powerful: out of the 35,000 Americans or Canadians who immigrated into Israel, only 5,400 stayed there.

Source: Melvin I. Wofsky: "We are one! American Jewry and Israel", New York, 1978 Pub. Ander Press - Doubleday pp. 265 - 266

The State of Israel was admitted to the United Nations thanks to brazen pressure from the lobby.

Eisenhower didn't want to alienate the oil producing Arab countries:"A prodigious source of strategic power and one of the greatest sources of wealth in the history of the world", he said.

Source: Bick, "Ethnic Linkage and Foreign Policy", p. 81

Truman swept aside his scruples for electoral reasons and it was to be the same with his successors. On the subject of the power of the Zionist lobby and of the "Jewish vote", President Truman himself had declared in 1946, to a group of diplomats: "I am sorry gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands of people who are expecting the success of Zionism. I don't have thousands of Arabs among my electors."

Source: William Eddy, F.P. Roosevelt and Ibn Saoud, N.Y. "American Friends of the Middle East", 1954 p. 31 (or 39)

The former British Prime Minister Clement Atlee gives this testimony: " U.S. policy in Palestine was shaped by the Jewish vote and by the subsidies of several large Jewish companies."

Source: Clement Atlee, "A Prime Minister Remembers", Pub. Heinemann, London 1961, p. 181.

Eisenhower had, in agreement with the Russians, stopped the Israeli aggression (supported by the British and French leaders) against the Suez Canal in 1956.

Senator J.F. Kennedy had, in this matter, shown no enthusiasm.
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Posted 10 May 2003 - 09:24 PM

God help you.
Thanks for uncovering jews from their sayings.

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Posted 10 May 2003 - 09:47 PM

Saddam, Thank you for your interesting posts. But per Houlin's post 05-09-2003 02:23 AM, what are we to do?

Remember that anti-Semitism is what Zionists want. Remember that Jews against Zionism are totally against Zionism. Remember that Gush Shalom is against Zionism. Palestinian Solidarity is now in trouble.

Remember that anti-Semitism is what Zionists want. They teach Aliah; that rooted in the mystic kaballa is the call to return to Yisrael; etc But the kaballa is probably not even Jewish!


Saddam you wrote: - 05-09-2003 12:24 AM
A report from Europe carried the following speech of Rabbi Emmanuel Rabinovich before a special meeting of the Emergency Council of European Rabbis in Budapest, Hungary, January 12, 1952:...............................

The goal for which we have striven so concertedly for three thousand years is at last within our reach, and because its fulfilment is so apparent, it behoves us to increase our efforts and our caution tenfold. I can safely promise you that before ten years have passed, our race will take its rightful place in the world, with every Jew a king and every Gentile a slave (Applause from the gathering). You remember the success of our propaganda campaign during the 1930's, which aroused anti-American passions in Germany at the same time we were arousing anti-German passions in America, a campaign which culminated in the Second World War. ...............
Then Saddam wrote 05-09-2003 12:52 AM
Consider an alien system with such a firm hold on American policy mechanisms that .........
Consider an alien philosophy carefully scheming to own and control America's newspaper and broadcasting systems.......
In strange web-sites you find
Calling the Peoples to Jerusalem (No. 238)

But the people being called are stand -ins. i.e. Khazars, who are not even of Judaic origin.

A Psychic newsletter I subscribed to says: - QUOTE
This war is another sign that our prayers are being answered. I realize that it is hard to understand that people being killed is an answer to a prayer for peace, but that is exactly what it is.
Now what on earth writes "The goal for which we have striven so concertedly for three thousand years" and does it not seem that this propaganda machine also affects psychics? Saddam herself has written "Alien Philosophy"


Jews Against Zionism leads us to: - Zionism: Compulsory Suicide for Jews: - http://www.savethemales.ca/091202.html

On Nov. 25, 1940, a boat carrying Jewish refugees from Nazi Europe, the "Patra," exploded and sank off the coast of Palestine killing 252 people.

The Zionist "Haganah" claimed the passengers committed suicide to protest British refusal to let them land. Years later, it admitted that rather than let the passengers go to Mauritius it blew up the vessel.

"Sometimes it is necessary to sacrifice the few in order to save the many," Moshe Sharett, a former Israeli Prime Minister said at memorial service in 1958.

In fact, during the Holocaust, Zionist policy was that Jewish life had no value unless it promoted the cause of the creation of Israel. "One goat in Israel is worth more than the whole Diaspora," Yitzhak Greenbaum, head of the Jewish Agency's "Rescue Committee" said.
In 1891, Cecil Rhodes started a secret society called the "Round Table" dedicated to world hegemony for the shareholders of the Bank of England and their allies. These priggish aristocrats, including the Rothschilds, realized they must control the world to safeguard their monopoly on money creation as well as global resources. The same folks control the U.S. Federal Reserve and other major central banks.

They were united also by a commitment to freemasonry, which at the top, is dedicated to the destruction of Christianity, the worship of Lucifer, and the rebuilding of a pagan temple in Jerusalem. They see most of humanity as "useless eaters" and pioneered eugenics to decrease population and weed out inferior specimens. The eventual annihilation of non-Zionist Jews was rooted in this English movement.

In 1897, the first Zionist Congress took place in Basle. In 1904, the founder of Zionism Theodore Herzl died at age 44 under suspicious circumstances. The movement was taken over by the Round Table. The purpose was to use it and Communism to advance their plan for world hegemony. During the same week in November 1917, the Bolshevik Revolution took place and the Balfour Declaration promised Palestine to the Jews.

The Round Table group planned three world wars to degrade, demoralize and destroy mankind, rendering it defenceless. The Third World War, now beginning, pitted the Zionists against the Muslims.

As unwitting overseers, Israelis will continue as victims of "compulsory suicide." Americans too are being fitted for this role. Sept. 11 was an example.

Arab terrorism is also backed by this cabal. Osama Bin Laden made more than 260 phone calls to England between 1996-1998. The aim is to contrive a "war of civilizations" as an excuse to grind down both Muslim states and the West to create the global police state.
In conclusion, a satanic cult governs the world. These people hate God, hate mankind and want to destroy it. They believe the end justifies the means and are ruthless. They use the Jews, and everyone else, as cannon fodder. We are "children of the matrix," duped, distracted, stunted and sacrificed. Without the vision provided by God, we are lambs being led to slaughter.

Children of the matrix leads to http://www.davidicke...2/rd-table.html
That page is OTT conspiracy theory, with lots of information on Secret societies. While being Over The Top, it is not Right Over the TOP. That is to say given the circumstances and circumstantial evidence (from all over the place) it can appear more plausible.

Some of the rest of the pages on this site are far more over the top. i.e. illuminati etc. Now I find it very difficult where there is mixture of what might be good fact, and rumour and speculation. However one can deal with this by categorizing and rating every statement, or class of statements. Categories are of the TYPE; Fact/CertaintyLevel; Extrapolation/Plausibility&Fit; Speculation/Possibility&Plausibility. This to me is the only way I can keep some sort of sanity in dealing with this sort of information. i.e. to keep a pathway of that which is factual, and that which is circumstantial, and try to see patterns in it, amidst a swirling amorphous stormy lot of half ideas and partial theories. Throughout this nexus there is some sort of pathway. If the facts are not solid, then the more factual pointers there are, the more solid they become.

So lets try to keep what solid anchors there are. The rest is transient and effervescent. Saddams posting are useful because they increase the credibility factor for many parts of the patterns I see, so that the effect of Zionism becomes much more solid to me. One can place greater reliance on it.


Effectively we seem to be up against something that is appears to be not very nice. e.g. organizing wars seems to be a very common theme. This something appears to have been around a long time, and uses techniques which appear to be natural, albeit unusual. Additionally this appears to involve co-operation from many people from many different type of secret societies. Recruitment appears to be by financial and social advantages. These secret societies have a cell like structure, and so could presumably provide a basis for world wide conspiracy.


Now you can speculate as to what the aim of this something might be. In speculating perhaps it is pertinent to take account of its past behaviour. i.e. no regard for truth; blurs history to suit itself; no regard for any human life.

Overall pattern seems to be constructing religious beliefs in the return of the messiah; union with the g_d head; etc. And this even involves co-opting Khazars as Jews which is crazy! Please note that we seldom dare to question religious beliefs! we silly humans do not treat them logically.

So we get a vague hazy idea of Israel only for the Jews (call for return etc); rumour of reconstruction of the temple in Jerusalem; return of the messiah. (note the concept of messiah is not a torah belief, but a latter visionary one)

Note that a lot of these ideas seem to come from visions; channelling; s?ances etc. And this seems general, and not just in one religion.

Examples; the vision(s) of St Paul the apostle; effectively spreading the ideas of phariseeism around the world. Responsible for Revelations and hence the Fundamentalist Christian view of Israel for the Jews.

Is this telling us something? What do you think?



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Posted 10 May 2003 - 09:52 PM





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Posted 10 May 2003 - 10:25 PM

Religion is the opiate of the masses and the great instigator of
irational thought and when Religion is taken out of the equation
the argument makes more sense.
The Zionests in Amerika use Religion to further there cause with the insane argument that god gave them the land of Palestine
to rule as they wish and the Christian right uses this argument
to further there own agenda i guess they dont fear the
Anti Christ.
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Posted 10 May 2003 - 10:33 PM

Anti Semitism is a clever con like NAZI....meaningless.

NAZI even though it is meaningless occupies space and time while national socialism is practiced by everyone on the globe in one form or another. The Jews and the US made this word verboten even though it has a philosophical position in the scheme of political science. In psychological terms, nazism has many beneficial aspects to it for the common man just as did communism for the Russians. However, the propogandist zionist has turned this phrase into a hateful term when it is not. Remember Romeo and Juliet when Juliet declare "if thy name be hateful to thee than doff thy name...for I love you." Oh Romeo,[you blackclowd] wherefore art thou on this matter?

The same goes for the term Anti-semitism....it is a meaningless term that zionists use. Semites, and I suppose Saddam is one of dem semites, applies to many middle eaterners the least of which is some jews. Most of the jews themselves are not semites. An anthropologist could immediately separate out those of the Jews that are semites and those that are not. One demographer argued that 70-90% of the jews are not semites. Most of all, the cavalier use of the term "anti-semite" or "nigger" or "dickhead" is the convenient slur of a moron or pathetic jerk or more sspecifically a criminal engaged in criminality to avoid a subject, more specifically the issue of a crime. These zionists throw this label out when they are confronted by their crime of genocide, murder,rape, or stealing. They also throw the term around when you refuse to buy into their reconstruction of events past and present like the holocaust or pogrom or mistreatment or ghettoes. Whenever they want you to feed into the dribble that this group or that group made them live in ghettoes and you ask them if the ghetto was not in fact of their own doing, they charge you as a jerk...in other words, fuc. you is what they are saying. You are an anti-semite [because you don't believe me when I tell you that they put us in the Warsaw Ghetto or what not.

AntiSemitism is an unfortunate slur against gentiles who wont buy into a zionists bag of terms.
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Posted 11 May 2003 - 06:20 PM

AntiSemitism is an unfortunate slur against gentiles who wont buy into a zionists bag of terms.

Well said Houlin. Thanks for your post.

Also I wanna thanks BlackCloudSky for his effords and I agree with you BCSky when saying "ANTI-SEMMITISM IS NEGATIVE AND HELPS ZIONISTS". That's true.

smartcode and redmike , thank you both for contributing to my thread. Take care .
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Posted 11 May 2003 - 06:31 PM

The Israeli-Zionist Lobby in the United States
by Roger Garaudy - CONTINUATION ....

In 1958 the "Conference of Presidents" of the Jewish associations charges its president, Klutznik, with contacting Kennedy, a possible candidate. He declared to him plainly,"If you say what you have to say, you can count on me. If not, I will not be the only one to turn his back on you."

Source: Melvin I. Wofsky, "We Are One", p. 265 - 266

Klutznik summed up for him what he had to say: The attitude of Eisenhower in the Suez affair was wrong but in '48 Truman was on the right track. Kennedy followed this "advice" in 1960 when he was designated as candidate by the democratic convention. After his declarations in front of Jewish V.I.P.'s in New York he got 500,000 dollars for his campaign, Klutz as adviser and 80% of the Jewish vote.

Source: Ibidem, p. 271 to 280

During his first meeting with Ben Gurion in the New York Astoria Waldorf Hotel in spring 1961, John F. Kennedy said to him: "I know that I have been elected thanks to the votes of American Jews. I owe my election to them. Tell me what I have to do for the Jewish people."
Source: Edward Tivnan, "The Lobby", p. 56 (quoting the biographer of Ben Gurion, Michel Bar Zohar)

After Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson went even farther. An Israeli diplomat wrote : "We lost a good friend. But we have found an even better one... Johnson is the best friend the Jewish State has ever had in the White House."

Source: I. L. Kenen, "Israel's Defense Line", Prometheus Book, 1981. pp. 66 - 67

Johnson did indeed give strong support during the "six day war" of 1967. From then on, 99% of American Jews would support Israeli zionism. "To be a Jew today means to be tied to Israel."

Source: Schlomo Avineri: "The Making of Modern Zionism", N.Y., Basis Book, 1981, p. 219

U.N. resolution 242 of November 1967 demanded the evacuation of the territories occupied during the war and De Gaulle, after this aggression, declared an embargo on arms destined for Israel. The American congress followed. But Johnson lifted it in December and, under pressure from the A.I.P.A.C., delivered the Phantom planes ordered by Israel.

Source: Bick, p. 65 and 66 or 166

As a consequence of this Israel didn't criticize the war in Vietnam.

Source: Abba Eban, autobiography. D. 460

When Golda Meir came to the U.S. in 1979, Nixon compared her to "biblical Deborah" and smothered her in praise for Israel's economic boom.

Source: Steven L.S. Spiegel: "The Other Arab-Israeli Conflict", University of Chicago Press, 1985, p. 185

The "Rogers Plan", taking up again the essence of U.N. Resolution 242, was rejected by Golda Meir.

Source: Kenen, p. 239
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Posted 11 May 2003 - 06:32 PM

Nixon delivered 45 Phantoms and more than 80 Skylark bombers to Israel.

Nasser died on 8 September 1970 and Sadat proposed peace with Israel. Moshe Dayan, Minister of Defense, refused, in spite of the views of the Minister for Foreign Affairs Abba Eban.

So on 6 October 1973 Sadat launched the offensive which was to be known as the Yom Kippur War and destroyed the reputation of both Golda Meir, who had to resign on 10 April 1974, and Moshe Dayan.

Nevertheless, the Jewish lobby on the Capitol won a great success for the accelerated rearmament of Israel: 2 billion dollars, on the pretext of fighting a competing Arab lobby.

Source: Neff, "Warriors of Jerusalem" (p. 217)

Money from the Jewish banks of Wall Street was added to the governmental aid.

Source: Bick, p. 65 and Abba Eban, p. 460.

Of the 21 people who contributed more than 100,000 dollars to Senator Hubert Humphrey, 15 were Jews, at their forefront the bosses of the "Hollywood Jewish mafia" like Wasserman. Overall, they contributed more than 30% of the Democrats' election fund.

Source: Stephen D. Isaacs, "Jews and American Politics" (N.Y. pub. Doubleday, 1974, chapter 8)

The A.I.P.A.C. mobilized again and got in three weeks, for 21 May 1975, the signatures of 76 senators asking President Ford to support Israel, as they did.

Source: Full text in Shechan, "Arabs, Israelis and Kissinger", Reader's Digest Press (p. 175)

Jimmy Carter's path was marked out for him: at the Synagogue of Elizabeth in New Jersey, dressed in the blue velvet toga, he proclaimed:

"I honor the same God as you. We (The Baptists) study the same Bible as you." And he concluded,"The survival of Israel does not come down to politics. It is a moral duty."

Source: "Time", 21 June, 1976
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Posted 11 May 2003 - 08:56 PM

Hi DONDAN !!!. I'm doing OK. How R U ????

In November 1976 Nahum Goldmann, President of the World Jewish Congress, came to Washington to see the President, Vance and Brzezinski and gave the Carter administration this unexpected advice: "smash the Zionist lobby in the United States".

Source: "Stern", New York, 24 April 1978

Goldmann had dedicated his life to zionism and played a key role in the "lobby" since the time of Truman and he said now that his own creation, The Presidents' Conference, was a "destructive force" and a "major obstacle" to Peace in the Middle East.

Begin was in power and Goldmann was determined to undermine his policy, even if this meant destroying his own pressure group.

Six years later Cyrus Vance, one of the interlocutors at this meeting, confirmed Goldmann's proposals:"Goldmann suggested to us to smash the lobby but The President and The Secretary of State replied that they didn't have the power and that, besides, this could open the way to anti semitism."

Source: Interview with Cyrus Vance by Edward Tivnan, "The Lobby", pub. Simon and Schuster, 1987, p. 123

Begin, sharing power with Labor, appointed Moshe Dayan as Minister for Foreign Affairs in place of Shimon Peres. The President of the Jewish Presidents' Conference in the U.S Schindler, had this turn in favor of the extremists accepted, stressing the pragmatism of Dayan. Begin, for a while, hardly had to worry about the American zionists whom he considered to be Labour's supporters.

But American businessmen, noticing the influence of the rabbis on Begin and especially the latter's attachment to "free enterprise" (contrary to the state intervention of Labour), welcomed the Camp David Agreement (September 1978). Sadat, making a separate peace with Israel, did not get to touch. The West Bank (Judea and Sumeria, "biblical" lands according to Begin) and only kept Sinai which, for Begin, was not "biblical land".

Source: Stephen D. Isaacs: "Jews and American Policy", Doubleday. 1974 D. 122

In 1976 Carter got 68% of the Jewish vote; in 1980 he only got 45% of it having, in the meantime, sold F15 planes to Egypt and "AWACS" planes to Saudi Arabia, ensuring, however, that these would never be used against Israel as the American Army controlled all the system's data from the ground.

In 1980 he was, however, beaten by Reagan who, on the contrary, extended 600 million dollars of military credit for the following 2 years.

Begin, reassured after Camp David of not being attacked from behind by the Egyptians and also by the fact that the AWACS sold to Saudi Arabia were entirely under American control, was able to show the Americans his capacity for a preventive war (like the Japanese at Pearl Harbor and the Israelis with the Egyptian aviation during the Six Day War) by proceeding to destroy, without a declaration of war, the Iraqi power station of Ozirak which had been built by the French. Begin always invoked the same sacred myth:

"There will never again be another Holocaust."

Source: "The Washington Post", 10 June 1981
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Posted 11 May 2003 - 08:59 PM

Encouraged by the weakness of the American protesters who feared an escalation in the Middle East situation, Begin, one month later, on 17 July 1981, bombarded West Beirut to destroy, he said, P.L.O. bases.

Reagan then announced the project to sell 8 billion dollars worth of AWACS along with missiles to Saudi Arabia, still under conditions that in no way threatened Israel as American control was total.

To such an extent that a Senate majority accepted this good economic deal and reinforcement of American control in The Gulf. (The Saudis had to bind themselves to overfly neither Syria nor Jordan, and therefore not Israel.)

Source: Facts and Files, 20 September 1981, p. 705

Begin, still possessed by the vision of "Greater Israel" of biblical legend, continued with the establishment of Israeli colonies in The West Bank (begun by Labour) which Carter had declared "illegal" and which were in breach of U.N. Resolutions 242 and 338. But Reagan saw in Israel a way of blocking Soviet designs on the oil of The Gulf. In November 1981 Ariel Sharon, Begin's Minister of War, met his American opposite number Casper Weinberger and drew up with him a "strategic cooperation" plan to dissuade any Soviet threat in the region.

Source: "N.Y. Times", 1 December 1981

On 14 December Begin annexes The Golan. Reagan protests against this new violation of Resolution 242. Begin flares up: "Are we a banana republic ? A vassal state of yours?"

Source: Steven Emerson, "Dutton of Arabia" in "New Republic", 16 June 1982

The following year Begin invaded Lebanon. General Haig, at the head of the war department, gives the "go ahead" for this invasion destined to set up a Christian government in Beirut.

Source: Ze'ev Shiff and Ehud Ya'ari: "Israel's Lebanon War", N.Y., Simon and Shuster, 1984

Few Americans criticized this invasion just as few Israelis had criticized that of Vietnam. But the massacres of Sabra and Chatila (carried out under the eyes of, and with the complicity of, Sharon and Eytan) and the images which were given to television, forced the Jewish lobby to break the silence.

The Vice-President of the World Jewish Congress, Hertzberg, and many rabbis criticized Begin in October 1982. Begin reproached rabbi Schindler who had made his criticism on television, for being "more American than Jewish" and one of his assistants denounced him as a "traitor".

Source: Michael Kremer, "American Jews and Israel. The Schism", N.Y., 18 October 1982
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Posted 11 May 2003 - 09:12 PM

Just looking in. Thanks for comments Saddam and Houlin. But the problem I have is still the same. Many crazy conspiracy theories. But what seem to be happening appears to be crazy. i.e. three thousand years planning. And we are no closer to some kind of explanation that is more plausible than crazy conspiracy theories.

But we do seem to have enough information to know that there are neutralizing tactics that could impede what is happening. i.e. media problem, and communication.

Palestinian Solidarity Movement has had its office in Israel raided, and they have made conditions of entry to Gaza Strip.

Conditions of Entry into the Gaza Strip

Foreign nationals entering the Gaza Strip, please note
that the IDF is committed to ensuring the safety of
civilians not engaged in hostilities. However, in the
current circumstances, the IDF cannot guarantee the
personal safety of foreign nationals visiting the area.
Although the IDF cannot accept responsibility for death,
injury or damage/loss of property incurred as a result
of military activity, foreign nationals visiting the area
are subject to the following conditions whose purpose
is to minimize the risks involved:

1. The Military Installation Area along the border with
Egypt is IDF administered territory and is strictly out of
bounds to foreign nationals. Please note that this area
has been the site of intense hostilities and is extremely

2. Interference or obstruction of Israeli security personnel
in the performance of their duties is a criminal offence.

3. The areas adjacent to the Perimeter Fence,
Israeli Settlements, Lateral Roads serving Israeli civilians
and IDF positions are Closed Military Zones
and are strictly out of bounds to all persons.

4. Foreign nationals are strongly advised to stay well
clear of military activity.


I declare that the details provided above are true and
correct and that I have read the above conditions and
agree to abide by the fully. I am aware that my failure
to do so may lead to my arrest and/ or expulsion from
the Gaza Strip and/or from the territory of the State of
Israel. I am aware of the risks involved and accept that
the Government of the State of Israel and its organs
cannot be held responsible for death, injury and/or
damage/loss of property which may be incurred as a
result of military activity. I also undertake not to disrupt
IDF operations in any way and declare that I have no
association with the organization known as ISM
(International Solidarity Movement) nor any other
organization whose aim is to disrupt IDF operations.

Which is not very nice is it.

The Israeli attitude to the Palestinians is diabolical and inhuman.


Talking to our local rector, what is disturbing in this country is that many people think we had a sanitary war.

At present I feel totally frustated that nobody seems to want to be able to do anything serious. Holding up anti-war banners does give a message to the Islamic world, but it will not stop Tony blair.

I did find something on Blair.
and a few days ago I found this, when I was not looking for it.

I do recall that some months ago there was an intense media attack on Cherie Blair re her female life-style advisor's relationship with a con-man. This went on and on and on, then stopped suddenly. The thought crossed my mind; was this a warning to Blair of what would happen if he did not toe the line on Iraq?

On the Bush administration there seems to be so much sleeze and suspect dealings with Enron that one wonders how on earth he can still be in power.

Think about this: In the UK there has been intense media attack on the Royal Family. But you never see attack on these secret societies. i.e. The Round Table (Is this really harmful? - I don't know), Freemasonary, Bilderberg, Skull and Bones. Now Freemasonary can only be entirely negative. It is entirely parisitic as per dictionary definition.

Do you think this is telling us something?
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Posted 12 May 2003 - 12:27 AM

You write "In the UK there has been intense media attack on the Royal Family. But you never see attack on these secret societies. i.e. The Round Table (Is this really harmful? - I don't know), Freemasonary, Bilderberg, Skull and Bones. Now Freemasonary can only be entirely negative. It is entirely parisitic as per dictionary definition. "
I don't know anything about these organizations although The Protocols of Zionism complains that Freemasonary is a game played by the jews to con gentiles. There is a lot of humbuggery associated with Freemasonary...so you might be right, it is a completely negative organization. The others ??? It is bad enough that I feed into the allegory of the Ring of the Niebelungen but I believe so much in this story that I can not shake it. I think Wagner was right on the money when he wrote this tale. That the Jews ban the Opera all over says a lot.


Why does not the US force Israel to abide by resolution 242. Why are they instead making alternate proposals for peace and promoting terror?
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Posted 12 May 2003 - 12:33 AM

I usually do not try to listen to religious fanatics like Wagner, but all of his works are highly religious. The Ring is the preamble to the other works in that it tells of the world before Christ came, the gods of the Vikings in Europe and how they fell into disgrace. That struggle that brought down the gods of old and why is the subject. This world collapsed and ushered in the world of Christ. We are really talking about 3000 years here.
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Posted 12 May 2003 - 03:42 AM

Thanks Houlin,

One notices that Freemasons have large cars and jobs. Basically it bespeaks of favoritism. They believe in the Great Architech of the Universe, and a lot of Kabbalistic pseudo magic. You actually have to look up what they believe and practice. I have seen on the internet one case which looks like gross medical negligence resulting in the death of a ten year old boy, where the family were inexplicably refused an inquest by the coroner. If as is the case a lot of Judges and high ranking people are free masons it has every oportunity for corruption. It is possible to obstruct a person to an extrordinary degree and thereby deny people justice.

According to these conspiracy theories they are linked to the Round Table and Bildeburg organisations. And according to these conspiracy theories the Round table hihacked Zionism. Such theories say that high ranking freemasons actually worship satan. Is there truth in the conspiracy theory that Zionism has been hijacked by the Round table? How deep does this deception go.

Now if there is every opportunity for corruption, and these secret societies are entirely negative, then they are entirely parisitic. For example they can provide a channel for Zionists to exert control.

The same website insinuated that Blair attended a Bilderberg meeting. And I think that father Bush was a member of the Skull and Bones society.

If you try to find out if they are really implicated in a world wide conspiracy you will probably get nowhere. So why bother to go to all the effort to investigate them and end up with a massive headache. Whatever the truth is does no harm to inhibit them. You wont do any harm. It might well do some good.

If you point guns at Zionism you have to make it plain that this is anti-zionist and not antisemmitic. If you point guns at secret societies you do not have this probem.

The other point is that it does appears large sections of the USA UK press are controlled by Zionists/Freemasons etc. If you look at the organisations who are not attacked it may hint at which organisations may be involved. There have been attacks on any MP opposing the war on Iraq. A lot of the attacks on the UK Royal family are relatively trivial and distract from more important issues. You see it is easy to criticise the Royal Family, but you have to think of the huge constitutional problem of what you replace it with. Probably something far worse. Think of who one would want for president. A moments consideration and the Royal Family look much more reasonable. If it is working fairly reasonably leave it alone. Right now we have much more serious problems that the Royal Family. In any case the Murdoch Press is frankly manipulative. Princess Anne has the right policy, which is give them nothing to get hold of. If you turn and face them and they grab hold of any bit of you, you are doomed like a beast turning to face a lot of hyenas.

All along Saddam and you are stating that there is facilitation or conspiracy going on, and this involves zionists. Presumably it is very likely to involve these other secret societies to some degree. If you take one of these crazy conspiracy theories, you are effectively saying that it is true to a depth say of level 1 or level 2, before it gets really mad and insane.

Then you said that it may be too late to do anything.

But I am saying that there are things that can be done. i.e You do not have to investigate these societies further. You do not actually have to ask if they are involved in conspiracy to a depth of 5% or 10% or 20% or level 1 or level 2. If the will was there they could be impeded without hurting anyone.

Now I want to download info on Enron. If someone cannot naffup Bush on that there is some thing the matter with them.
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Posted 12 May 2003 - 11:06 PM

The Israeli-Zionist Lobby in the United States
by Roger Garaudy - continuation...

A spokesman for A.I.P.A.C. explained the strategy of those who, like him, approved of the invasion:

"We want to reinforce our support for Israel on the right wing - with people who aren't worried about what's going on on the West Bank but who target the Soviet Union."

Source: interview recorded by Tivnan, p. 181.

On this occasion the Zionist christians supported the Israeli aggression and their leader, Jerry Falwell, whom Begin called "the man who represents 60 million American Christians" in a country where there are only 6 million Jews, received the highest Zionist honor: The Jabotinski Prize for services rendered to Israel, plus 100 million dollars from the State of Israel and 140 million dollars from the Swaggert donation.

Source: "Time", "Power, glory, politics", 17 February 1986

Financial power and, consequently, political power, in a world where everything is bought and sold, is becoming more and more decisive.

Since 1948 the U.S. has supplied Israel with 28 billion dollars in military and economic aid.

Source: "Time" magazine of June 1994


Thanks all who have contributed to this thread esp. Houlin and BlackCloudSky.
I will answer your questions later I promise.
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