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[donquijote]

<That paragraph on Agentina is a good summary of the
political-economic mumbo jumbo that the world is sprayed with by the educaters, media and politicians.>

Quite revealing of the workings of the jungle. Sometimes you find interesting truths written by economists. These articles are not meant to fool anyone, but are rather written for the lions, and can afford to be honest. Of course the Big Banks will choose to ignore any sensible advice and lend them the money anyways. Of course the lion will never want to fix the problems of the little country because it benefits from it.

It's like--I read this somewhere--lending money to an addict and holding him and his wife and his children accountable for the "bad loan"...:confused:

<The only plan of reform needed is the animals own water well.
Bush should keep his loans and armies within his own border
and reform his own country and provide their own waterwell
then the bankers couldnt compel them to support their mafia cousins in the middle east.>

The WATER WELL, always the WATER WELL...

In this movie, "Saving Grace," the Pope decides to abandon his luxurious post and actually help the poor people build...the WATER WELL (not mentioned here). Something unlikely in this dog-eat-dog world, but quite revealing of what it takes...

"It may just as well be that God can better use a tramp than a pope, or whoever we are in between."

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Saving Grace (1985)

After one year as pope, Leo XIV becomes disillusioned with the job. He is caught up in the cramped schedules of visiting dignitaries and the sick expecting miracles. Every morning he is briefed on world events, for which he feels powerless to do anything. He feels `completely out of touch with how most people live,' and wonders if anything he says has any effect outside the Vatican walls. He misses being a priest, when he knew he helped those he came in contact with.

One day, as he makes his way past one of the rooms, he hears a nun talk as she signed to a deaf girl who'd hitch-hiked to see the pope and ask for a priest to come back to her village. He promises her he'll find a priest for Montepetra. So when the wind blows the paper with his gardening instructions up over the walls and he chases it and finds himself locked out, he makes the most of his predicament. He makes his way to Montepetra, to be able to actually answer one of the many requests he'd had. He finds a town crippled by a plague, but more importantly, townspeople crippled by poverty. It is there that he struggles to actually do some good as a priest. He seeks to empower the residents to find the will to improve their lives.

One character worth watching is the mysterious stranger, the shepherd who stumbles upon Leo, and recognizes him as the pope.

The scenery is beautiful, as it's filmed in Italy. There's a shot early on of an aerial view of Rome, and scenes of people going about their business among the statues. The rural views must have been beautiful in the theater, but it's hard to appreciate them on the small screen.

I found this move, a comedy-drama, to be a delightful little tale about how we might be able to do some good for others, and find ourselves, our purpose, even if we get lost. While the story of Leo as the rural priest is touching, the scenes of the runaway pope is where the comedy comes in. For instance, on the same day the visitor list includes the ambassador of Brazil and the Italian soccer team, and when told of the second group, Leo asks, `Is it all right if I bless them, or would that set off an international incident?' We are shown that things aren't as bleak as they often seem. The line that illustrates this is when Leo tells the shepherd that the pope can even be `a tramp who comes to a deserted village to help some neglected people.'

It may just as well be that God can better use a tramp than a pope, or whoever we are in between.

http://www.imdb.com/...95/usercomments

PS: I'll try to buy the movie, as I didn't even get to see the whole thing.

[donquijote]

Awesome article. The arrogant lion, with the support of foxes, attacks the rebel little lion. Thing go wrong however as the violent monkeys, formerly passive, decide to strike back using their anonimity. To top it off, now the foxes are bickering with the lion over resulting chaos. Not a happy-ending story indeed...:confused:

"Wars started to end terror have, according to US intelligence officials, increased al-Qaeda recruitment tenfold."

"Posters on Iraqi walls announce that "Fallujah is the beginning of the end of the occupation". From a hotel room in Baghdad, waiting to hear the next explosion, one cannot help but wonder whether Iraq is the beginning of the end of the American empire."

How the Middle East is really being remade
By Nir Rosen

BAGHDAD - A few weeks prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom, the US Council of Foreign Relations held a dinner attended mostly by thirtysomething PhDs to discuss the intended consequences of the war. The participants were exuberant about the opportunity liberating Iraq presented to remake the Middle East. The "transformation of Iraqi society" would be a model and guide for the subsequent transformation of Arab society en masse, they enthused. Ecstatically, they spoke of how first the Iraqis, then other Arabs, would learn of civil society, and how it could lift them out of the morass in which they found themselves.

The criticism of Iraqi and Arab society was based on pity and academic disdain, rather than vitriol and hostility. The Persian Gulf and the Arabian Peninsula were pointed to as special examples of a blighted society in desperate need of uplifting. These "artificial societies" were regarded as the worst example of what dark turns Arab culture could take. The diners eagerly convinced each other that Arab culture and society needed a sharp and devastating blow that would "shock and awe" them, so that the English-speaking West could get its attention. They also assumed that after its liberation, a supine Iraqi population, unshackled from its old political masters, would lie quietly while American academics worked their magic and miraculously presented them with a new society.

Their reasons were not the ones proffered to the US public. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz confessed to Vanity Fair magazine that the weapons of mass destruction claims were a useful "bureaucratic argument", and "the one issue everyone could agree on". As has been revealed in recent books by former White House anti-terrorism coordinator Richard Clarke and insider journalist Bob Woodward, the war against Iraq had been on the minds of administration planners probably long before September 11, 2001. The attacks on that day only provided a fillip, allowing the execution of their plans to remake the Middle East. Since the US public could not be sold on a scheme of grand social revision, the marketing strategy relied on fear, and the various imminent threats that Saddam Hussein allegedly posed.

(snip)

Qatar, which has openly offered to turn itself into the Americans' principal bastion in the region, finds itself on the receiving end of a vitriolic US attack on the basic institution of democracy: uncensored media. Despite the fact that Qatar today hosts enormous US military forces and has committed to financial and political support for US activities in Iraq, it has been given the diplomatic equivalent of the back of the American hand over Aljazeera satellite television. Exciting news, presented with the slant that satisfies the lowest common denominator in its audience and with a very loose hold on accuracy, has made Aljazeera the most popular Arabic medium on the globe. In the midst of a US campaign to foster democracy in the Middle East, it conveys to the world a message that Middle Eastern democracy need not include a free press.

The disenchantment with US policies is affecting its business relationships as well. Before September 11, the Saudis had decided to open their natural-gas fields to foreign development. US companies were at the front of a list of companies invited to participate. After the Iraqi invasion, work that had been suspended was reopened. Contracts were awarded to three companies, none of them American. Saudis have been boycotting US companies and their students have stopped registering in US universities. An important cultural bridge has been destroyed. Gulf businessmen are also afraid of visiting the United States, fearing the intrusive interrogations and resenting the humiliations to which they are exposed on entry. Instead of promoting a dialogue of civilizations, they have finally concretized the clash of civilizations. Wars started to end terror have, according to US intelligence officials, increased al-Qaeda recruitment tenfold.

Within Iraq, a population that was initially inclined to be patient and observe US intentions for it is increasingly joining a popular resistance. Sunnis and Shi'ites, once on the verge of civil war, are now united in their opposition to the occupation, and their militias cooperate with each other, sending supplies and words of encouragement. Fallujah became a rallying cry for Iraqis, the first victory against the occupation, the first liberated city. Posters on Iraqi walls announce that "Fallujah is the beginning of the end of the occupation". From a hotel room in Baghdad, waiting to hear the next explosion, one cannot help but wonder whether Iraq is the beginning of the end of the American empire.

http://www.atimes.co...t/FE21Ak01.html

[woj1@cyberonic.]

Donq; *"More loans without reforms may help Argentine politicians, but they will not help the Argentine people. Financial crises have increased globally over the past decade as the IMF and the World Bank have poured greater resources into indebted countries. Only domestically driven reforms will improve the Argentine economy. The Bush Administration should support further loans to Argentina only when its leaders create and begin to implement a credible plan for long-term reform."*

I think that the best is the Bader answer; l

*This is Magna Carta stuff- so the church, state, Baron, and today
corporates, international bankers and party politics cannot usurp the peoples sovereignty. And they certainly cant usurp the state sovereignty because the state reps are only temporary unlike the people. When any power entities become permanent the people become temporary. How do you unit temporary people?
(apart from a common cemetery)*

Argentine and all people of the world should start cooperate and stop go along with IMF ordered reforms and stop paying to World Bank.
First IMF order was to stop country grow to stop inflation.
BTW, US don

[Bader]

That hits it on the head.
Pity they werent all like G. Soros, look what he gave for Georgian democrIcy.

The rich Arab leaders cannot unit and defend the Aran nation
which has one dominant religion. One would expect that if any multi-national grouping was possible to unit by blood and religion it would be them. They are prisoners of selfish greed and self-interest. Iraqi Arabs are expendable to their security.
Now they are talking of making their societies more open and democractic- for their security. Perhaps one more country to fall and the rest will apply to join Greater Israel- for their security.

However no one is calling for an embargo and reparation against
US, Britain and Kuwait who set the trap for them. The rest of the world isnt going to stand up for the Arabs because they will be
offending the zionists who have a lot of power.

Perhaps the only conclusion that we can come to is that its up to the people- little animals to protest. Then we look at the US
public and UK public and they all read the papers and tv owned
or controlled by the zionists friends.

If people do gather in the evening and get hot about it, the next morning they will be going back to work to chase the evasive dollar because they have payments to make or loose their phone connection, or their car or ..... all based on debts of the same
lion system.

We have accually been so decieved we cannot see we are already captured and not as free as we think. We are owned by the bankers. Most farmland, urban property and industry, are under a mortgage and all state property like national parks and
state sector enterprise can all legally be transferred to the international bankers if an international crisis should justify them calling in all loans. MPs and bureaucrats would simply become state managers and graciously we would be allowed to elect the managers just as we do now but the policy will be the owners
which is what Argetina doesnt want have to do.
An incident to justify invading the Middle East wasnt that hard was it.

[MarquisDeSade]

It is amazing how the universe works it wonder in the form of solid, liquid and gas. This thread possess the same elements with it's circular, cynical, and circumvent views.

The jungle is a natural habitat where the lion is the king.

Ignorant is bliss. Be a happy little animal.

[donquijote]

"freedom and democracy are meaningless without peace and security"

<The rich Arab leaders cannot unit and defend the Aran nation
which has one dominant religion. One would expect that if any multi-national grouping was possible to unit by blood and religion it would be them. They are prisoners of selfish greed and self-interest. Iraqi Arabs are expendable to their security.
Now they are talking of making their societies more open and democractic- for their security. Perhaps one more country to fall and the rest will apply to join Greater Israel- for their security.>

Howdy Bader, Woj
One would think that the lion would have absolute control in the jungle, but that's only because the little animals are not organized. The violent monkeys though can spoil his plans to rule without resistance. First the lion strikes with the law of the jungle, and then the violent monkeys use it back on him. In the end, the lion is both predator and prey. Regrettably, the little animals too are victims. It's a tough world out there...

Unchecked Lawlessness Stresses Iraqi Society

By Karl Vick
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, May 30, 2004; Page A30

BAGHDAD -- The report of his death found Abdulsemi Janabi in a meeting. His cell phone chirped, and through her sobs his wife told him that a radio station had just reported that his head had been found in one part of Baghdad, his body in another.

Janabi, a dean at Mustansiriya University in Baghdad, assured his wife that he remained in one piece, safe and sound. He was on campus, sitting opposite a group of angry Shiite students demanding a prayer room and an office. In that moment, Janabi decided to take their demands more seriously.

Faced with the threatening broadcast and rumors that the students were supported by shadowy allies off campus, Janabi stopped going to work. His colleagues, who recounted the story, called his decision prudent in a city ruled by the law of the jungle for more than a year.

Violence, and the fear of it, defined everyday life in occupied Iraq long before the current insurgency. Ambushes, kidnappings and militias -- all the dangers lurking for Western visitors since last month -- emerged as dangers for many of Baghdad's 5 million residents shortly after the city fell in April 2003.

In the months that followed, while car bombs and attacks on U.S. forces grabbed the headlines, a relentless sense of insecurity eroded the patience of Iraqis, 92 percent of whom agreed that "freedom and democracy are meaningless without peace and security," according to a poll conducted in January for the Coalition Provisional Authority.

http://www.washingto...-2004May29.html

[donquijote]

<It is amazing how the universe works it wonder in the form of solid, liquid and gas. This thread possess the same elements with it's circular, cynical, and circumvent views.

The jungle is a natural habitat where the lion is the king.

Ignorant is bliss. Be a happy little animal.>

Welcome back. We needed some opposition here...

I guess if you are part of his clique, then the lion if fine. But if you are his prey, or worst if he threatens the very survival of the jungle, for prey and predators alike, and you still thinks he's fine, then you are a fool. Even some lesser lions are challenging the rule of the hungry stupid lion, don't you see?:confused:

[Bader]

But we need more opposition than that.

the jungle is (bliss) a natural habitat (is ignorant) where the lion
(be happy), (the little animals) is king.

The violent monkeys are the immediate threat so the inhabitants
are consumed with dealing with the (symptims) secondard
dangers and not the real power (causes).

The chaos of Iraq is to totally breakdown all traditions and customs and social structures of the past to build as new society. 1917 all over again, same lion. What they build will not be built to last, as before, its what they get out of it in the interim,
and the future recycle will generate new profits and enterprise
out of the same basic mass. But this time the mass will in the future not include the human dimension because the depleted uranium will have wasted most of the population.
Disidents on the net might get sent there to run the oil wells in punishment for hate crimes against the lion.

[donquijote]

<the jungle is (bliss) a natural habitat (is ignorant) where the lion
(be happy), (the little animals) is king.>

I don't know what it is it with the regular sheep that they can't stand the black sheep...

HOW THE BLACK SHEEP WERE EXPELLED

One day the Lion, who had been thinking how to best eat the sheep, decided to dress as a sheep... This way the sheep trusted the new "sheep" more and more every day, some confessing to him, others voting for him, and most allowing to be trimmed by him...

Meanwhile, the Black Sheep--who was able to see through camouflage--thought this way: "If he got big paws and teeth, roars, and takes the lion's share, lion he is..."

And that's the reason why from then on the Black Sheep weren't allowed to mingle anymore with the simple and common sheep...

<The violent monkeys are the immediate threat so the inhabitants
are consumed with dealing with the (symptims) secondard
dangers and not the real power (causes).>

Exactly. Black sheep though says: "Remove the CAUSE, remove the symptoms."

<The chaos of Iraq is to totally breakdown all traditions and customs and social structures of the past to build as new society. 1917 all over again, same lion. What they build will not be built to last, as before, its what they get out of it in the interim,
and the future recycle will generate new profits and enterprise
out of the same basic mass. But this time the mass will in the future not include the human dimension because the depleted uranium will have wasted most of the population.>

"Populations are totally expendable and replaceable," says the lion. "What really counts though," he adds, "is democracy...";)

[donquijote]

"both Scowcroft and former Secretary of State James Baker maintain that America's Saudi-based troops are necessary to protect the region and its vast reserves of oil, on which the United States economy depends."

And many also go to the secondary issues (war, terrorism) ignoring the cause: OIL. This issue overrules any other consideration, including a catastrophic war...:confused:

"Instead, it seems, we'll be fighting this type of terrorist war against intolerance for as long as we are stupid enough to get into our SUVs and drive down to the corner store for a gallon of milk."

These quotes come a program called "Saudi Time Bomb?" Quite interesting...

Dear FRONTLINE,

Your last line in this report is perhaps most telling: about our dependence on Saudi oil. Why don't you do a program about our overconsumption of oil and how to reduce our dependence on Middle East oil?

Please don't forget to mention that oil production in the US peaked in 1970 and that oil production in every single oil producing state in the US is in decline including Alaska, Texas, Oklahoma, California etc.

If you receive funding from any automotive companies, I guess I know why this program will never be written nor produced--they make too much money--in the short term, getting Americans to buy the biggest most gas guzzling SUVs and continuing the short term insanity of overconsuming petroleum which is affordable now, but not forever.

In fact oil experts predict world oil production will peak in 2005-2020. When that happens it is likely to be the case that petroleum will cease to be cheap! Saudi Arabia with the largest oil reserves by far will become even wealthier!

alan root
san diego, ca

***

Dear FRONTLINE,

I watched your program on the House of Saud last night, shaking my head the entire time. The point seemed clear as the sounding of a Saturday siren--American overconsumption of oil has directly lead to the spread of Islamic terrorism. Saudi Arabia's wealth is being used to finance militant schools where young Muslims are being indoctrinated into the ways of intolerance and terrorism. The money is literally pouring in from the United States. If we had the courage and providence to develop an energy and transportation policy that would include research, development AND implementation of better mass transportation like monorails and renewable resources such as fuel cell technology, we might have a different future in store for our children. Instead, it seems, we'll be fighting this type of terrorist war against intolerance for as long as we are stupid enough to get into our SUVs and drive down to the corner store for a gallon of milk.

Richard Horan
oconomowoc, wisconsin

http://www.pbs.org/w...ows/saudi/talk/

[woj1@cyberonic.]

*Panta rhei* ; theory of changeability of the world was expressed by Heraclites from Efez 540-480 in Greece.
So people may be optimistic and say;
*today terrorists will be governments of tomorrow. *
China is reassessing how it would counteract the U.S. military in a potential conflict over Taiwan, based on what it saw in the U.S. invasion of Iraq

Chinese leaders have taken note of the speed with which American ground forces captured Baghdad in April 2003 and the prominent role that was played in Iraq by U.S. special operations commandos.
In its annual report to Congress on developments in the Chinese military, the Defense Department said China is rethinking the concept that American airpower alone is sufficient to prevail in a conflict

[donquijote]

Here's the Catholic Church doing advertisement for "The Passion." And it opens, not by discussing its religious value, but its business value...:confused: Of course, you can even order "the perfect companion DVD" to get you deeper into the experince...

Meanwhile I read somewhere that Mel Gibson rejected Michael Moore's "FAHRENHEIT 911" for being a hot potato. It seems he doesn't want to face the Lion. Would Gibson have challenged Rome if he had lived at the time of Christ?:confused:

"Jesus, you died to become big business?"

***

Now #1 on the all time R-rated chart, 7th on the All Time Domestic Gross Chart and 21st on the All Time Worldwide chart. It is the 4th fastest film to reach $300 million.

The Passion of the Christ soundtrack sold 500,000 copies in February and Nielsen SoundScan reported that through the week ending April 4, the soundtrack had been the best-selling Christian music album for six consecutive weeks on Billboard's contemporary Christian chart.

It is now the largest opening weekend for a film in February, and the sixth best opening weekend of all-time. For an R-rated film, "Passion" is only second to the three-day weekend record set by The Matrix Reloaded with $91.8 million.

"Passion" also had the eighth biggest day in the history of box office on Saturday, when it earned a massive $33.1 million.

Now it also has the third best "2nd Weekend" and fourth best "3rd Weekend" of all time.

The Passion of the Christ is now Mel Gibson's most successful film.

If you've seen -- or are planning to see -- Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ, here's the perfect companion DVD to take you deeper into the experience of what Christ suffered for each of us. Order Now! Be sure to get your copy before Good Friday!

http://www.catholic....ml?channel_id=4

***

In the meantime, this is the reception to FAHRENHEIT 911...

Dear MoveOn member,

Oscar-winning director Michael Moore has finished his latest documentary, but The Walt Disney Company is refusing to let the American public see it.

The film, "Fahrenheit 911," is critical of President Bush's actions before and after Sept. 11 and describes Bush's relationships with powerful Saudi families, including that of Osama bin Laden.

According to the New York Times, Moore's agent says embattled Disney chief Michael Eisner feared the documentary could endanger the company's tax breaks in Florida, where Bush's brother, Jeb, is governor.

(snip)

The documentary, which heads to the prestigious Cannes film festival next week, was expected to be distributed by Miramax this summer. But Disney, which owns Miramax, blocked the plan. Denying allegations of political favoritism, Disney said it doesn't want to be involved with a partisan film.

Moore responded, "If this is partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and working people in this country who provide fodder for this war machine."

(snip)

Michael Moore has commented, "At some point the question has to be asked, 'Should this be happening in a free and open society where the monied interests essentially call the shots regarding the information that the public is allowed to see?' "

http://www.upsizethi...pic.php?t=12093

[donquijote]

http://engforum.prav...?threadid=80665

[Bader]

A sign of the US is when a feature of what was accepted as wholesome and innocent family entertainment has now been corrupted by investment to be a political factor in the runaway beats road show.

Moore should ask the american people to boycote disney in reply.

Who cartes what Gidson thinks of fahrenheit 911?

panta rhei:
sounds like the phrase sometimes quoted that says a new idea
is first ignored, then opposed and then surrendered to or to that
effect. Derived from observation .

[donquijote]

<A sign of the US is when a feature of what was accepted as wholesome and innocent family entertainment has now been corrupted by investment to be a political factor in the runaway beats road show.

Moore should ask the american people to boycote disney in reply.>

Howdy Bader
Moore is no more than a monkey standing up to the lions. He's brave for that, but doesn't have a chance...

<Who cartes what Gidson thinks of fahrenheit 911?>

Not much, except that it makes him side, not with the weak, but with the powerful. Not so much different from what the Jews supposedly did...

"Gibson got calls from Republican friends urging him to back out of it right away."

Mel Gibson: 'Had a Signed Deal' to Give Michael Moore $5 Million

Lots of hubbub about Michael Moore and his "Fahrenheit 9/11" movie, which Disney won't allow Miramax to release because of its alleged "anti-Bush" material.

But before Miramax was involved in "Fahrenheit 9/11," the project had a different godfather. That was Bruce Davey, the Australian-born producer who runs Mel Gibson's company, Icon Productions.

Even though he's denying it now, my sources tell me that Davey had a real, concrete deal with Moore to finance the allegedly anti-Bush film for $5 million and change. The deal was made around the beginning of April 2003, but it's unclear whether Davey informed Gibson, his boss, that he had made the commitment.

"It was a signed deal," says a source close to the parties involved.

Variety in fact reported last year that after a "fevered auction," Davey "won with a bid worth eight figures in upfront cash and potential back-end."

About two weeks later, Davey and Icon informed Moore and his agent, Ari Emanuel, that they were backing out of the project.

Icon would have been vulnerable to a possible breach-of-contract action from Moore had it not been for some fast diplomacy on the party of Emanuel. I'm told the very next thing he did when he heard that Icon was backing out was to call Miramax's Harvey Weinstein, with whom Moore had worked in the past.

The only problem now is that Gibson and Davey, through their rep, are claiming they never had a deal with Moore.

"The Variety article was premature," insists Alan Nierob, the same press guy who had to handle all the "Passion" controversies for Gibson. "Bruce said he hadn't made a deal with them."

My sources say, however that not only did Davey make the $5 million deal with Moore, but that when it was announced, Gibson got calls from Republican friends urging him to back out of it right away.

Gibson, who was then working on "The Passion of the Christ," acceded to their wishes rather than be involved in two headline-and-headache making projects.

(snip)

Giving up "Fahrenheit 9/11" is ironic for sure, considering it would probably make money. Disney is in the middle of a string of losers, with "Raising Helen" the next on the hook. Disney's critics are quick to point out that it's the studio's lack of courage on any subject that's put them in this spot.

Disney spokesmen and Eisner have countered that they didn't want to be involved in a political project during an election year. Eisner told CNBC: "We're such a nonpartisan company," he said; people "do not look for us to take sides."

He seems to have forgotten that ABC Radio syndicates Rush Limbaugh and Fox News' very own Sean Hannity --two pretty politically opinionated fellows! And last Friday, ABC's "Nightline" consisted of a controversial roll-call of American soldiers who have died in Iraq --considered to be anti-Bush administration by many.

http://www.foxnews.c...,119253,00.html

[woj1@cyberonic.]

Donq/Bader; *<Who cartes what Gidson thinks of fahrenheit 911?>*

Regardless what some would like to believe , no movies which is already dead in June (even reheated) would play any role on outcome on November election.
The movies would have chance if they were played on TV as Schindler List, without advertisement, few days before election

[MarquisDeSade]

In the past, the jungle is only a jungle and if you look around and threads by many in this forum, the jungle has become many forms.

Our ecosystem works in a manner of a prey and predator, the hunt and the hunted. A need to create a balance. This is the rule state in the laws of nature.

So, in your sense, are you saying we can defy the laws of nature?

Metaphorically, I presume you guys should have the knowledge of the atrocities by foxes and monkeys are the one who are struggling and fighting hard for their rights, land and survival. And, best of all, the lion is controlled by the foxes. (i suppose you know who the foxes are)

This forum,not this thread, has provided so much informations and answers of the world happenings.

[MarquisDeSade]

"The chaos of Iraq is to totally breakdown all traditions and customs and social structures of the past to build as new society. 1917 all over again, same lion. What they build will not be built to last, as before, its what they get out of it in the interim,
and the future recycle will generate new profits and enterprise
out of the same basic mass. But this time the mass will in the future not include the human dimension because the depleted uranium will have wasted most of the population.
Disidents on the net might get sent there to run the oil wells in punishment for hate crimes against the lion. [/B][/QUOTE] "


This war is a means to meet the end.

[MarquisDeSade]

The recognition of the film by the cannes film festival put truth one step closer to the world.

This is the power of the media and ,certainly, is a ever useful propaganda machine for any lion. Like a knife, to use it for prepartion of food or to harm depends how the user uses it.

So does the lion matters?

[donquijote]

<Our ecosystem works in a manner of a prey and predator, the hunt and the hunted. A need to create a balance. This is the rule state in the laws of nature.>

Marquis, where's is the balance b/ the predators always doing the preying and the little animals always being preyed upon?:confused: Are you vaguely aware that such pretty accomodation (for the predators) is likely to bring us ugly results?

<So, in your sense, are you saying we can defy the laws of nature?>

What laws of nature? There are two relevant laws to this issue: COMPETITION AND COOPERATION. True, the lion is more powerful and wants competition, but the little animals can cooperate to build a new water well the lion doesn't control...

<Metaphorically, I presume you guys should have the knowledge of the atrocities by foxes and monkeys are the one who are struggling and fighting hard for their rights, land and survival. And, best of all, the lion is controlled by the foxes. (i suppose you know who the foxes are)>

In the jungle there's one law overriding all others: kill or be killed... and the lion's stupid behavior creates the violent monkeys. Of course, the foxes do benefit from all this war...

<This forum,not this thread, has provided so much informations and answers of the world happenings. >

Well, is that why you seem lost?:confused: