Well Bader, if you liked our anti-lion stance but the Economic Democracy name, now you can have them both.
The contact was indeed fruitful. Look who's at the bottom of this link...http://economicdemoc...org/analy.shtml
Here's the full text of his reply...
Dear Don Quixote and Alberto,
I am happy to "hook with you" as you put it. I remember well
receiving some note from one of you, and reading (and enjoying) the
Lion stories. My recollection is that I _did_ respond. Did I not? My
intention was to respond and it's been too long ago to remember the
details. In any case I am happy to collaborate, as appropriate, with
As you can see at www.harelbarzilai.org I live in the US (I was born
in Israel, ages 0-6, then in US ages 6-8, and permanently in the US
since age 12). The pointer from harelbarzilai.org to my
www.barzilai.org indicates my profession, which is how I have been
working since getting my degree in 1997, however by 2008-2010 I plan
to find something else -- another job without a boss, but more freedom
(more time!) for activism, and also being part of a community. Did you
know that the US has kibbutz-like intentional communities? The main
intentional communities site is www.ic.org but there is a subset, a
smaller group that is more kibbutz-like, see www.thefec.org if you
haven't seen it already.
On to collaboration issues. My time is much more limited than when I
was a graduate student. So I force myself to focus, as best as I can,
in my limited time, on those things that seem most effective. For
example, I would enjoy discussing theory and analysis with you, but in
my experience we could do that for (dozens of) hours and discuss the
10% or 20% where we disagree and certainly all of us would gain
insights, but I will have to leave (most) of that to summer and/or
my break in January; too little time most of the rest of the year.
It is true that I spent a lot of time posting to UseNet...trying to
put out the fires...trying to wake up the U.S. trying to stop Bush,
stop the Iraq invasion, etc...but those were 'emergency measures' and
are _not_ the main work of EconomicDemocracy.org because that work is
to change the _institutions_ which give rise to wars, ecological
catastrophes, exploitation etc. I take it you have already looked at
the "analysis" section of EconomicDemocracy.org but the "Projects"
section has grown and that is the main work.
Back in March 1991 I co-founded UseNet's misc.activism.progressive
with Rich Winkel, he has been my longest collaborator (he lives in
Missouri; we have never met but we have spoken by phone several
times). Since creating EconomicDemocracy.org in 2000 my closest
collaborator has been Michael McKinnon in Australia. Our main
collaboration to date has been his creating www.GroundAction.com and
I helped decide, together with him the structure and "content
areas". It is not for discussion of theory, it is mostly for
discussing strategy, tactics, and specific Projects.
If you wish to discuss those things, you can collaborate with me/with
us by going to www.GroundAction.com and posting...there is one area
(one forum) where it is ok to discuss other things...but the other
areas are for strategy/tactics/projects mostly. Also at
www.Economicdemocracy.org/forums/ there is a link to our older forums
system, and there you can post general thoughts..as well as about the
Media project ("The Revolution Will Be Webcast") and other project
I've added a triple link at the bottom ofhttp://economicdemoc...org/analy.shtml
to the three websites you
sent. I am fairly "picky" about which links to add, even very good
ones I do not add if they don't fit the mission (e.g. very good but
focused on discussion or other less efficient (in my view)
strategies..) but there seems to be enough in common here..
My philosophy: it is better for useful things to move slowly than for
less useful (or questionable) things to move fast.
So, other than "emergency measures" posting in terms of anti-war
(including this TACTIC against the 2003 invasion of Iraq which we can
try to use now to prevent the next war:http://economicdemoc.../wtc/stop2.html
) I focus on the big
projects in EconomicDemocracy.org.
So far only small steps in terms of finding partners to make the media
project happen. However for the most ambitious project, "A Workable
Program for Dismantling Corporate Power" and in particular for part
that is written, "A Workable Transition to Democratic Retirement
Systems" I have succeeded in convincing one of the top "community
activists" in the USA to work together -- *if* we can find enough
money to launch it.
His name is Paul Glover and he is the person who launched Ithaca
Hours, probably the most well known (And certainly among the most
successful if not most successful) local currencies in the US, Ithaca
) and since 1997 he launched a
community-owned health insurance, see www.IthacaHealth.org (since our
government will not create national health insurance...and even if it
did, "what the government gives, the government can take away" and it
is better to have community democratic control). I am trying to help
support and help expand the Ithaca Health Fund (it works for people
outside Ithaca; I am a member; it is only $100 per year)
But if we can raise $20,000 he will launch Community Annuities;
this idea combined the "Workable Transition to Democratic Retirement
Systems" project of mine (seehttp://economicdemoc...s-overview.html
for all the projects;
it is project "G-1")
with his "Whole Ithaca Stock Exchange" idea (use google to find) and
that at least has made "Small steps forward"
This email is running too long but I hope I have given you a good
overview of what I'm most interested in pursuing, plus a way (online
discussion boards) to post (even though I check only every 3 months or
so, I do keep going back to check those boards, and I post back, so
slowly a dialogue is moving forward; use email for quicker reply
..though sometimes my schedule forces a few weeks delay..) and areas I
am most interested in working on. I encourage you to join the
EconomicDemocracy announcement list as well, perhaps you are already
both on it.(see http://economicdemoc.../list/list.html
That is all for now, peace and best wishes,
P.S. I do not read the key west newsgroup regularly, and
I don't even have time to read most of usenet most of the time; I post
and at the bottom of my posts it says "sorry I cannot read most
newsgroups; email me if you want to contact" or the like...
+ Hi friends
+ I've chosen the word very appropriately since we propose a fruitful
+ revolution: the Banana Revolution.
+ Actually we had a brief contact before at the Key West newsgroup, but
+ it never developed. But it's a shame because we really have a lot in
+ common, and I even quote you in one of our webpages. Anyways,
+ is further developed now and we can truly say, ours can be a fruitful
+ main webpages
* ECODEMOcrats ;o)...
* Yes, my friend, Don Quixote 1, DO has reasons for re.offering a loyal
* and working alliance.
* Me too - the Italian Banana r-Evolution "living interface" I would
* appreciate if you, this second and last time, would actually and
* properly hook with us.
* Where are you based?
* ALBatro (alias DQ3, alias Spaghetti Jones, alias (official name)
* L. Beretta,
* BRIC - Banana Revolution Italian Coordinator.