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[Gari-Gari]

Originally posted by donquijote
Howdy Gari
My own take is that there's nothing written or even formal, just a communion of interests. They all have a stake in keeping the jungle, which provide them their livelihood, and the livelihood of those behind them. To think that the Pope, or the president of America got real power is illusory. The real power comes from the PUPPETEER. This is a real person according to some (a clique of bankers) or simply MONEY, in which case all predators with "teeth and paws" (money) have a vested interest in keeping the Law of the Jungle.

...Even if you own a small business with two employees you don't want to empower them. The lion doesn't tolerate competition.

Quij,
thank you for your reply. I am pretty much amazed by this forum. Finally I get "an introduction to life" here. In real life I have not yet found pple who would have these insights or discuss them with me.
As for the lion who does not tolerate competition I ve already had my little experience with it. People who are in a leading position necesarily are confronted with fears that their power could crumble anytime. Thus they must keep the others down at any cost while still keeping up good relations as their power lastly depends on the people below them.

To come back to the example of the Vatican, I d like to add that I ve read though they possess many pieces of art that are invaluable (and which they can?t sell) they are deep in read numbers. I don t really get it if the US would help the Vatican (moneywise) just in return for backing GW in his war.

I tend to believe that much of what has been said in this thread is rather true about the big picture but in detail I don t manage to see yet that what Ratzinger wrote for helping GW in his elections has had a direct benefit for Ratzi & Co.

Eventually I would not even exclude that the present pope was not aware of the mayor effects of his writings. He is very much into the doctrine and it can t be excluded that he got tangled up in his severe theories. - But well, I tend to think that your thoughts exposed here are more likely.







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[donquijote]

Originally posted by Gari-Gari
Quij,
thank you for your reply. I am pretty much amazed by this forum. Finally I get "an introduction to life" here. In real life I have not yet found pple who would have these insights or discuss them with me.
As for the lion who does not tolerate competition I ve already had my little experience with it. People who are in a leading position necesarily are confronted with fears that their power could crumble anytime. Thus they must keep the others down at any cost while still keeping up good relations as their power lastly depends on the people below them.

Hi Gari
I don't think the problem with the money strings that make the puppet dance is unique to the Pope. The Dalai Lama is not any different. The Lama showed up at the local university where the ticket fetched big bucks, but the university trumpeted the "democracy" at work...

Well, I decided to hand out fliers at the door, you know, using democracy, but didn't last very long before I was escorted out.:confused:

DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT BIG BUCKS AND SO IS ORGANIZED RELIGION. IN GOLD WE TRUST.

[donquijote]

'We truly are the BENEFICIARIES of the BUREAUCRATIC system!" the arrogant old turkey leader boasted. "We cannot afford to change!"

"We LIFERS who remain --- we continue to be fed by the farmer --- and we continue to breed --- and we continue to OBEY THE RULES!" the old leader squawked self righteously.'


Interesting story indeed about the Old Turkeys WITH VESTED INTERESTS trying to stop the Young Eagle from flying. But she knew better...


'The disgraceful insults and elitist snobbery of the obstinate old hen disgusted the eagle. Suddenly, he discovered the fatal flaw in the leadership theory of the old turkeys. Even though the farmer had disabled the turkeys by clipping their wings when they were younger, thereby crippling them so they could not fly anywhere anymore, it was the authoritarian hierarchical management structure of the old power freaks in the Turkey Pen that continued to compel the young turkeys to comply.

The young turkeys, therefore, were vulnerable to the entrenched bureaucratic policies of the arrogant old turkey leaders. This ancient administrative political scheme was like a vice crushing the cortexes and amygdales of their little bird brains, forcing them into total submission and compliant obedience to a higher power.

The eagle felt sorry for the young turkeys and Uncle Tom when he realized just how inert their little bird brains had become. Now the eagle knew why the turkeys were spending so much time scratching around in little vicious circles. They were humiliated and afraid of reprisals from their superiors in the pecking order. Since the flock had been shamed into obedience, all the young turkeys were powerless to protest. They had become enablers, acting more chicken than turkey.'

http://home.earthlin...eagle.html#HEN2

I wouldn't worry too much about it though. I remain young--at heart.

[woj1@cyberonic.]

Originally posted by Gari-Gari


Clinton: Do I understand you well, it was Clinton who removed the instruction on evolution from the school curricula??! Up to date I held him for more liberal and quite decent in his views. On the recent Forum in Davos he exposed very intelligently his views on world poverty, admitted errors he had done and showed authentic concern for a series of problems that threaten the future welbeing of humanity.

Ratzinger: ...if it is true what you are saying he helped Bush win over the necessary percentage of Catholics that would give Bush the mayority vote.
It s a new thesis I have not read anywhere before. If it is so I would really like to know what the final motives of Ratzinger/ the church have been to support GW so much.

It wasn

[woj1@cyberonic.]

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[woj1@cyberonic.]

Originally posted by donquijote
Thanks, that's where the kibbutz started.

I believe that certain kinds of people can do wonderful things if they live WITHOUT the lion and can get together in a VOLUNTARY basis.

You are right; Secretary of the Communist Party of Ho Chi Minh City said the victory of April 30, 1975, tanks of the Vietnam People Army crashed through the presidential palace of the Saigon just before the US-backed South Vietnamese government surrendered to North Vietnam.
The ceremony was attended by foreign representatives from Cuba, Laos and Cambodia. http://www.xinhuanet...glish/index.htm



But still is funny how some people select group to the a world reform. Of course children are easy to manipulate because lack of experiences- Donq and Churches and Hitler start from that point example Hitler

[donquijote]

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
But still is funny how some people select group to the a world reform. Of course children are easy to manipulate because lack of experiences- Donq and Churches and Hitler start from that point example Hitler- Yugen .

"I'm fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in." -George McGovern

Number one, the young, not the old, know what's going on. Perhaps it's in influence of old people in my own community voting over issues they don't have a clue about. How can they have voted for Bush because he's a "tough anti-communist"?:confused:

Besides if it is the young who are putting the dead in conflicts it's only fair that they have power, no? The examples you provide above are not valid because the young are only sheep. But we are talking about voluntary associations in kibbutz. Nothing to fear by the old though--unless they are greedy corrupt old men. They are welcome in the kibbutz. They can stop feeling lonely and sorrowful. They can be young at heart.


A Revolution for the Young?

Sorry guys, but this revolution is aimed at the young--or at least to the young at heart.

Perhaps it's natural for a young idealist to turn into a greedy hypocrite later in life, given the harsh reality of a jungle where FEAR from predators is a strong motivation to become a predator...

Then we need to reach the younger generations. What do the older voters who put a war-mongering, environment-hater president in power care about the future? Well, they don't have a future. I have approached the young though, and they agree that WE GOT TO STOP THE JUNGLE...or else the jungle will swallow us. And they, you know, have a hope for the future. So, YES, there's a generation gap, and we need a change of generations. And that's why the Banana Revolution is so warmly welcome by the young for its content as well as for its fun and spice.

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[Bader]

Howdy Scholars and Gentlemen,

Communism, DonQ said is monopolistic ..... scientifically designed,
central authority. True, and these represent 'will-to-power' the opposite to 'will-to-freedom'.

Then in a later post Donq, you said communism was ok if done
voluntarily. The volunteers were outside the golags. The dynamics are wrong Dong because they were scientifically designed to create a lion bureaucracy as a tool of the puppeteers. Just like the debt-banking system and these two lions were supposed to be at war with one another when they
were creations of the same puppeteers.

I liked the body-parts joke, like its all B-S as we know.

"Bader favours the first theory"

I didnt actually see any distinct two theories to know what you were saying DonQ.

"He ( Bader) says corps are a 'victim', and I say 'victimizer'..."

Actually I would say they are both, but the subject was the banking system and its effect on them as on everyone else and not a stand-alone absolute statement.

One shouldnt steriotype the young against the old. Its mischievous and smacks of lion propoganda!

Gari-Gari, I sent in the Clearinghouse article on Ratzinger. Was indeed very interesting and I hadnt struck anything like it either.
There was no information regards the Vatican and the CIA running it. The Vatican goes back to Ancient Babylon and the CIA to a creation at the end of the second world war that shared with the KGB the German intelligence system. But there appears to be strong indications the Vatican had an influence in its creation
and purpose.

"I dont really get it if the US would help the Vatican (moneywise) just in return for GW in his war"

Ratz. didnt support the war, officially they opposed the war as they cant be seen to suport any war. He supported Bush's apparent support of Catholic social values etc. because the Democ are liberal and thus more Jewish. This doesnt mean Catholics and Jews are all the same respectively.
Thus the traditional-conservative candiate was favoured ( Bush) rather than a Jewish Catholic like Kerry whom was liberal.

Clinton/Bush/Kerry/Ratz are just passing through and doing what they were elected to do.

The Vatican was there in the US's infantcy directing things from behind the scenes. 'tuppersaussy.com' is a researcher on that

YOu will actually find contradictions in Bush re social/moral issues, as you will find contradictions in the issue of state and Church seperation, even in the US anti and pro-Islam. Its the nature of things. How can us masses desire a Lion of all Lions to solve all the worlds problems if we are not first confused and fearful?

THe CIA is supposed to have been involved in the 1968 student revolts, so that is the only connection re the CIA and Ratz article.

[woj1@cyberonic.]

Originally posted by Bader

But there appears to be strong indications the Vatican had an influence in its creationand purpose.

Clinton/Bush/Kerry/Ratz are just passing through and doing what they were elected to do.

The Vatican was there in the US's infantcy directing things from behind the scenes.

Maybe CIA did, but not anymore. Vatican disintegrates and nations start to rebuild and creating new alliances not necessary from old circle which appreciates the Tony Blair third term.


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US killed communism but resurrected nationalism

[woj1@cyberonic.]

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.

US killed communism but resurrected nationalism

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Who worries about Cairo of Islamic extremism in Egypt?
I worry about democracy in Egypt with Mubarak sixth term of presidency.

[donquijote]

Originally posted by Bader
Howdy Scholars and Gentlemen,

Communism, DonQ said is monopolistic ..... scientifically designed,
central authority. True, and these represent 'will-to-power' the opposite to 'will-to-freedom'.

Then in a later post Donq, you said communism was ok if done
voluntarily. The volunteers were outside the golags. The dynamics are wrong Dong because they were scientifically designed to create a lion bureaucracy as a tool of the puppeteers. Just like the debt-banking system and these two lions were supposed to be at war with one another when they
were creations of the same puppeteers.

Thanks, colleague...

Anyway, kibbutz may be considered by some standards the only true communist institution: THERE'S NO MONEY in circulation and still they reach the good life. Nothing bad about that, actually it's a major hope in a world where MONEY IS THE ENGINE BEHIND WAR AND ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. I don't like the name communism either, so I use other names (Banana Revolution, etc) to emphasize that what counts is the CONTENT not the name.

That type of institution I like personally, but also respect the right of Libertarians to create their own Utopia. They should exist at both ends of ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY, with regular cooperatives in between (like Mondragon) and, of course, a small, but efficient state to assure a safety net where no one falls. The needs of women and children are given high priority and are assured via coops or the state.

I liked the body-parts joke, like its all B-S as we know.

Those who want to control others are BIG S***!

One shouldnt steriotype the young against the old. Its mischievous and smacks of lion propoganda!

Bader, it is "gerontocracies" who are running the world. They are responsible for the jungle and we can't expect them to change. There's a saying that "it's normal for every young to be an idealist and for every old person to be a conservative," or something to the effect. As they grow old they become aware of "reality"--that of the jungle--and as they climb the ladder of the food chain, they try to hold others down to be his servants. And if he refuses to be part of the game he is considered a "failure."

And we can only break that cycle aiming at the young and idealist. Remember I said "the young at heart," so we belong there because we want CHANGE. The dinosaur must evolve if we are to survive. We may also add to our slogans "NO DINOSAUR NO PROBLEM!":cheers:

[donquijote]

"Howe and Strauss, in their landmark pop sociology book Generations, posit that each generation possesses one of four 'peer personalities': idealist, reactive, civic, or adaptive. The idea is pretty simple. What makes our character? Heredity and environment. Don't these vary wildly from one person to the next? Of course. But a big part of our environment is the world in which we live, and real-world events and trends, social, economic and cultural, are going to reach out and affect *everyone* ? at least everyone in the dominant culture. And *how* they affect you is going to depend on your age."

The dinosaur rules over America, which then rules over the rest of the world. And it is killing us. Guess what the solution is... Right, empower the young.

"Thirty percent of the US budget is spent on the elderly. And none of this is going to change until they're gone. Why not? Because the GI Generation, like all civic generations, excel at collective action. As long as the AARP is around, Congress will never do anything to shift the balance in favor of younger generations ? the seniors' lobby is the most powerful in the country. Besides, they make an argument that's hard to beat: they earned it. They put in their time at the company, deferred their own gratification to indulge their (Boomer) children. And now they're going to get their reward even if it kills the rest of us."

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[Gari-Gari]

Originally posted by donquijote
Hi Gari
I don't think the problem with the money strings that make the puppet dance is unique to the Pope. The Dalai Lama is not any different. The Lama showed up at the local university where the ticket fetched big bucks, but the university trumpeted the "democracy" at work...

Well, I decided to hand out fliers at the door, you know, using democracy, but didn't last very long before I was escorted out.:confused:

DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT BIG BUCKS AND SO IS ORGANIZED RELIGION. IN GOLD WE TRUST.

Thanks to everybody for the replies.
Let me start to answer to Qui:

I fully agree with your statement about the DL.
As a matter of fact, I am closer to Tib. Buddh. than to other philosophies or religions and I have experienced myself that DL is one of the most extraordinary persons on earth by the energy that surrounds him. Whatsoever, it can t be denied that he is a true marrionette of the Chinese government who have their fingers in whatever he does or can t do. Also, clearly enough, money is a necessary factor for DL.

BUT I don t think that DL has a great say in choosing locations, e.g. if he is going to give a speech at a university or a football stadium.

I know for sure that until not so long ago money was not a factor for DL. Maybe in the meantime his management has changed or, because he is growing older and is not so flexible for long journeys anymore, every public appearance has become more pricy.
About seven years ago DL gave a public talk in Barcelona that was hardly attended by people though it had been announced publicly to be takinng place. The entry was a ridiculous price, just symbolic, I think of about the amount one would pay for entering a cinema.
Same in Prague a few years back. The amount of the entry was not worthwhile to be mentioned. The prob was that entries were sold out immediately months before the event. That s why many had to wait outside and follow everything on a screen there. No, these were not events targeted at making money and not even for getting much public attention. (That happened by itself without much effort.)

If the entry was high in the States, at a University, I believe this has to do with the University itself or with the event taking place in the States. It has not usually been like this in Europe.

Last year one of the eminent teachers of DL (!) gave an iniciation (which tends to be expensive these days) for FREE in Puerto Rico. So I think it depends from case to case.

But yeah, even DL has to defend some of his principles of an established doctrine such as being against same sex relationships. I was horrified when I heard it from his own mouth. At least the background-reasoning for this view point makes more sense than in C. religion.
Whatsoever, Tib. Buddh. could be considered a minority religion and therefore I am not surprised that it?s official representant has to follow the directives given by those more powerful.

The case of the Vatican and the Pope is different. Cathoicism is one mayor world religion in all respects (number of believers, geographic extension, worldwide acceptance, doctrinal influence, financial back-up).

Therefore my basic thought had been that they are quite free to state whatever they want and establish the truths that they want to establish - free from any dependency on political dictatorship (from side of CIA or US president or whomever).






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[Gari-Gari]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
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[Gari-Gari]

Originally posted by Bader
I sent in the Clearinghouse article on Ratzinger. Was indeed very interesting and I hadnt struck anything like it either.
There was no information regards the Vatican and the CIA running it. The Vatican goes back to Ancient Babylon and the CIA to a creation at the end of the second world war that shared with the KGB the German intelligence system. But there appears to be strong indications the Vatican had an influence in its creation
and purpose.

"I dont really get it if the US would help the Vatican (moneywise) just in return for GW in his war"

Ratz. didnt support the war, officially they opposed the war as they cant be seen to suport any war. He supported Bush's apparent support of Catholic social values etc. because the Democ are liberal and thus more Jewish. This doesnt mean Catholics and Jews are all the same respectively.
Thus the traditional-conservative candiate was favoured ( Bush) rather than a Jewish Catholic like Kerry whom was liberal.

Clinton/Bush/Kerry/Ratz are just passing through and doing what they were elected to do.

The Vatican was there in the US's infantcy directing things from behind the scenes. 'tuppersaussy.com' is a researcher on that

...

THe CIA is supposed to have been involved in the 1968 student revolts, so that is the only connection re the CIA and Ratz article.

Yes, Bader, meanwhile I have had a look at the article. Very revealing!

Thrilling to learn that it might have been the Vatican who helped the CIA to be born..!!!

The following mix of details bears a slight contradiction:
- Ratzi/ Vatican helped Protestant Bush to win against Kerry who was Catholic & Jew BUT liberal which they could not accept.
- Pres. Bush seems to have quite some influencial Jewish friends, he seems to cultivate friendship with Jews and his political attitude is clearly against the Palestinians and rather hostile towards Islam as a culture, if I may round it off as someone who just observes very roughly from afar

= so, in a word, at times they are in favor of Jews, every time there is a benefit, and at times they are against Jews or converted Jews.

I don t want to make a big issue of it here but there appears to be very mean how pple are being either used or rejected.

Perhaps my observation is too ignorant on this issue, as I don t know about the background history of how all this came about to be as it seems to be now.




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[Gari-Gari]

Well, I should state one more thing:
I really appreciate and love Jewish culture. It is rich in wonderful writers, in century old wisdom and also a beauty in religious artefacts such as religious broidery and so on.
Here in Europe this is especially important to have an interest in Jewish history because it is part of ALL our herency. Especially important since there has also been much injustice and misunderstanding in the recent past, look at WW II.

Yet in the US there seems to be an unspoken general mood or view of Jewishness that I never quite manage to grasp. One just hears bits and pieces that make little sense. Apparently NY is a city where many Jews live and have mostly florishing businesses.
So I understand that the US president keeps good relations with successful parts of the society and he supports these parts of the society by political decisions of broad impact.

On the other hand there seems to be something like an aversion or a prejudice that is floating somehow in between the lines that pple say. Yet it is not defined and it is also evident that these prejudices are very different from those that are common in Europe.

Perhaps I should not ask anything in that direction. It would just be interesting to finally have that mystery resolved.

Apart from that I remember this case, a bit related with this subject: A US lady whom I came to know before the last elections were held told me that her husband who was Jewish had been threatened at by radical followers of GW. For reasons she did not want to explain to me she was afraid that her husband could even face to be killed on purpose once GW would become president again. She said they were after him bec of being a Jew and once GW was president his life would be worth nothing. Perhaps I spoke to a crazy woman or perhaps such mysterious threatening is frequent over there, I have no clue to judge such stories.
It does not make sense if, after all, GW seems to mostly favor Jews.

Eventually it would be relevant to know if there are figures that state if a mayority of Jews in the US tend to be rather liberal or rather conservative.

My mentor, of Jewish origin himself, used to say "I would never call myself a Jew if I would not know that Hitler would have made one of me and taken my life because of it."




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[donquijote]

Originally posted by Gari-Gari
Thanks to everybody for the replies.
Let me start to answer to Qui:

I fully agree with your statement about the DL.
As a matter of fact, I am closer to Tib. Buddh. than to other philosophies or religions and I have experienced myself that DL is one of the most extraordinary persons on earth by the energy that surrounds him. Whatsoever, it can t be denied that he is a true marrionette of the Chinese government who have their fingers in whatever he does or can t do. Also, clearly enough, money is a necessary factor for DL.

Howdy Gari
Pardon my scepticism, but I think whether the Pope or DL it's all about keeping a nice post. They say a little here and there to save face, but in the end they go along with the strongest lion. They recommend a lot of praying--and very little action.

Check opinion about DL at bottom...
'Tens of millions of world citizens marched to oppose this Imperialist War-for-Oil, and you can't decide whether it's right or wrong?

What kind of "spiritual" guru are you? And you received the Nobel Peace Prize?'


Dali Lama: Iraq War May Be Justified
Scott Lindlaw, AP, September 10, 2003 11:09 PM

The Dalai Lama said Wednesday that the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan may have been justified to win a larger peace, but that is it too soon to judge whether the Iraq war was warranted. "I think history will tell," he said in an interview with The Associated Press on Wednesday, just after he met with President Bush.

"In principle, I always believe nonviolence is the right thing, and nonviolent method is in the long run more effective," said the Dalai Lama, who after the Sept. 11 attacks had implored Bush to avoid a violent response by the United States.

The exile Tibetan leader, awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989, said the Vietnam War increased suffering and was a "failure." But, he said, some wars, including the Korean War and World War II, helped "protect the rest of civilization, democracy." He said he saw a similar result in Afghanistan - "perhaps some kind of liberation."

"The people themselves, I think, suffer a lot under their previous regimes," he said. But he was adamant that the United States not lose sight of rebuilding Afghanistan.

The Dalai Lama urged Bush, in a letter on Sept. 12, 2001, to "think seriously whether a violent action is the right thing to do and in the greater interest of the nation and people in the long run." Asked whether the Iraq war was just, the Dalai Lama said the situation there is "more complicated" and will take more time before he can judge.

more...

www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3132067,00.html

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True colors of the Dalai Lama?
by DLi Thursday September 11, 2003 at 02:53 AM

The U.S. illegal invasion of Iraq is "too complicated" for the Dalai Lama to judge?

What Planet are you from, your High & Mighty-ness? Perhaps Hitler's wars of aggression are also too "complicated" for you to assess yet?

Tens of millions of world citizens marched to oppose this Imperialist War-for-Oil, and you can't decide whether it's right or wrong?

What kind of "spiritual" guru are you? And you received the Nobel Peace Prize?

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[Gari-Gari]

Not great bliss but

Great Desception !!! :eek: :eek: :eek:





"Emotions are wild horses."
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[Gari-Gari]

Not great bliss but

Great Desception !!! :eek: :eek: :eek:





"Emotions are wild horses."
http://www.warriorofthelight.com

[Gari-Gari]

Not great bliss but

Great Desception !!! :eek: :eek: :eek:





"Emotions are wild horses."
http://www.warriorofthelight.com