Posted 30 November 2003 - 08:31 AM
I have proven you wrong time and time again and you keep coming back. Im going to explain to you from first hand experience what really happened that year when the tanks rolled on Moscow's streets in 1991.
In 1989 Mikhail Gorbachev institues major reforms to the Socialist Economic and political system. These reforms are called "perestroika" literally meaning a rebuilding. He allows people to question the ways the government and to openly and publicly critisize it, this was called "glastnost" literally meaning "the right to be heard."
Boris Yeltsin, a sworn member of the communist party, starts insighting riots all over Russia in an attempt to get attention as the Communist who is 'for the people', however his attempts are not paid much attention. He even rides the bus instead of taking his car to work in order to show the people that he is a people's man, and will ride the bus to work like every other citizen, a clever plot to confuse the masses. Furthermore, he fights Gorbachev's reforms at every step by speaking out against them and insighting riots at every possibility. Furthermore, he starts to advocate the importance of Russia rather than the Soviet Union as a whole, and tries to encourage Russian Nationalism among the crowds.
In 1990, Gorbachev issues a consensus to be voted for by every citizen of the Soviet Union. The point of the consensus is to see what the people want, whether they want Soviet Union to remain as a whole or to disband and every republic to become a nation. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE goes to vote. I dont know a single person that had not voted on that concesus. And I believe it was a very one sided vote, something close to 90% of the population of all Soviet Republics voted to keep the USSR as whole instead of breaking away.
Yeltsin, realizing that his plot is about to fail, now talks to major communist leader in Belarus and Ukraine. I forget who they were, but can get you the names if you further request them, their names are not important for this argument for now. He explains to them that if they cede from the Soviet Union then they can do whatever they want. They will be 'big' bosses, each to their own. And then announces that he is going to run for premier minister of Russia only, realizing that he cannot win in the Soviet Union as whole, as he was mostly only known in Russia. The votes come back half and half, half the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic for Gorbachev and half for Yeltsin. Realizing that a civil war might erupt at this point in Russia, Gorbachevs steps down from office and allows Yeltsin to take power. At this point, the top echelon of the socialist party in USSR realizes that chaos is about to ensue, announce to the media that Gorbachev is sick and is unable to continue his duties and has been removed from office. They did this because Gorbachev was an intellectual, who was unable to deal with such a clever individual as Yeltsin, who manipulated crowds with his cleverly worded speeches. After this, they station troops in and around Moscow in order to restore chaos.
Yeltsin, realizing that he is about to lose once again, stages yet another clever tactic. He announces that people rise up and defend Gorbachev. "They have staged a coup!" he protests, "they have removed him from office." Giving the impression that he is defending Gorbachev and his reforms while actually plotting to overthrow him. People in the streets of Moscow start to fight with each other, all fooled and confused about what is going on, unsure at who is telling the truth at this point. The top echelon of socialists, realizing that a civil war will ensue if they do not stop their actions, stop and surrender power to Yeltsin and his criminals. This is what happened. The Russian people were fooled and cheated by a clever politician. This is truth. Dont believe me? ask any other russian.
Boris Yeltsin's daughter is one of the richest people in Russia today. I wonder how that is? While people starve everyday in cities across Russia. The elderly are almost entirely left to rot and fend for themselves, no pensions are paid, 3 to 1 death to birth ratio roams the country, inflation is rising faster than salaries and will overtake people's ability to support themselves sometime in the next 5 years. This is the Russia that Yeltsin gave us. Dont tell me he is a hero. He looted and plundered millions in Soviet assets into his personal pockets and now lives confortably and so will his children and grand children at the expence of the people of the former USSR. He has disbanded the USSR and formed SNG, i dont know how to tranlate that but it was an economic union of belarus, ukraine and russia. Soon, that fell apart as well. So much for Boris Yeltsin being a hero. I do not know if you were there during all of this, or how well or accurate the american media covered this, but I know, I was there. So dont tell me what happened there. I know, you need to find out.
And as much as for the Soviet union was never equal to united states in anything than military might. I never said equal to the United States, I said rival the United states. Read before you start ranting! Here are some interesting facts for you to digest:
Marshall Goldman(an american economist) estimated the GNP of the former Soviet Union as about 60% of the U.S, in 1983.
Marshall goldman, The USSR in Crisis, (New York) This would place the USSR in the same league as Japan with a GNP of over 4 trillion dollars today. I'd say thats not that bad.
Secondly, about the freedoms you speak of, read my other post, but as far as the cars go, about 40% of the Soviet population had cars in 1975. You said 25 years ago, right? Well, look it up, I had a car and so did alot of people I knew. Look it up and you will see.
Now stop talking to me as if you knew what happened in Russia.