
How Will Iraq Strike Back?
Started by
KoWT
, Jan 30 2003 06:28 PM
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#2
Posted 30 January 2003 - 06:35 PM
The bigger the risk the bigger the gain. Also this guy seems to think that after hussein is ousted that he will have a loyal group of people that would be willing to carry out these plots, It won't take long for the people of Iraq to see that without saddham, their lives are vastly improved.
#7
Posted 30 January 2003 - 07:22 PM
Interventionism=terrorism.
The US intervened in Afghanistan by training
and supplying the Mujahadeen. Al Qaeda was
born and later sought vengence on the US post
the Gulf War, troops on Saudi soil etc. etc.
To every action of intervention there is a
terrorist reaction. There's no precident to
assume that removing Saddam will irradicate
future strikes. The exact reverse however is
most definatley proven.
It seems that the only way to prevent terrorism
is to remove the arguament, ney the festuring
sore that spawns these fundamentalists.
Hypocrisy and intimidation of the International
Community is grist to the slaughter mill.
The US intervened in Afghanistan by training
and supplying the Mujahadeen. Al Qaeda was
born and later sought vengence on the US post
the Gulf War, troops on Saudi soil etc. etc.
To every action of intervention there is a
terrorist reaction. There's no precident to
assume that removing Saddam will irradicate
future strikes. The exact reverse however is
most definatley proven.
It seems that the only way to prevent terrorism
is to remove the arguament, ney the festuring
sore that spawns these fundamentalists.
Hypocrisy and intimidation of the International
Community is grist to the slaughter mill.
#9
Posted 30 January 2003 - 08:26 PM
remember
Saddam had been popular in the west because he managed to gain control over all those fundamentalist tribes in the region. Without him, it will be the task of the us and allies to do just that. Thats when the real job begins. New Al Quaida style groups will pop up every time you look away.
But a larger risk are the other nations that see their interest in resources endangered.
Saddam had been popular in the west because he managed to gain control over all those fundamentalist tribes in the region. Without him, it will be the task of the us and allies to do just that. Thats when the real job begins. New Al Quaida style groups will pop up every time you look away.
But a larger risk are the other nations that see their interest in resources endangered.
#11
Posted 30 January 2003 - 09:34 PM
All the more reason to depose him and make sure Iraq becomes a thriving democracy.
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Are there Saudi Arabia , UAE , Kuwait , Oman , Bahrain , Jordan , Yemen etc. democracies ???. No. They are not.
Do you honestly believe that USA wants to create democracies in the Middle East ???. Are you so naive or you are just a professional spinner ???
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Are there Saudi Arabia , UAE , Kuwait , Oman , Bahrain , Jordan , Yemen etc. democracies ???. No. They are not.
Do you honestly believe that USA wants to create democracies in the Middle East ???. Are you so naive or you are just a professional spinner ???
#12
Posted 30 January 2003 - 09:37 PM
Saddam, whose life is in perile, said, Are there Saudi Arabia , UAE , Kuwait , Oman , Bahrain , Jordan , Yemen etc. democracies ???. No. They are not.
But they will be. They are moving toward democracy and the US is shoving them.
The only time we will be safe is when every man is free.
Inaction = death.
But they will be. They are moving toward democracy and the US is shoving them.
The only time we will be safe is when every man is free.
Inaction = death.
#13
Posted 30 January 2003 - 09:41 PM
Are there Saudi Arabia , UAE , Kuwait , Oman , Bahrain , Jordan , Yemen etc. democracies ???. No. They are not.
Do you honestly believe that USA wants to create democracies in the Middle East ???
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A shame when it takes an invasion of an Arab nation in order to establish the first Arab democracy.
Do you honestly believe that USA wants to create democracies in the Middle East ???
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A shame when it takes an invasion of an Arab nation in order to establish the first Arab democracy.
#14
Posted 30 January 2003 - 09:46 PM
Just notice that any democracy is harder to control. In democracies governments do what the masses want them to do < at least in theory >. What if the masses in ME new democracies want USA out of all ME ???. What's then ???. The new spin to change the governments ???
#16
Posted 30 January 2003 - 09:53 PM
What if the masses in ME new democracies want USA out of all ME ???. What's then ???.
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"Out" meaning what exactly? Physical presence (civilians as well as military)? Investments? Would we be justified then in expelling citizens of those countries and banning investments by those countries? That certainly seems constructive. If some hypothetical Arab democracy declines to sell oil to us, there's always the Russians. And hydogen.
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"Out" meaning what exactly? Physical presence (civilians as well as military)? Investments? Would we be justified then in expelling citizens of those countries and banning investments by those countries? That certainly seems constructive. If some hypothetical Arab democracy declines to sell oil to us, there's always the Russians. And hydogen.
#18
Posted 31 January 2003 - 12:16 AM
>Do you honestly believe that USA wants to create democracies in the Middle East ???
BMHO, USA foreign politics is dictated by corporate interests. That's why USA tends to establish Latin-American style dictatorships whenever possible. It's much easier to get cheap labour and raw materials out of dictatorship than out of democracy.
There's not much sense in criticizing this practice, however. First of all, it's hypocritic. All inhabitants of developed countries benefit from it one way or another. Would you cut your living standard by half or more in order to establish fair international relationships? Guess not.
And last but not least, it's impossible to create or bring democracy anyway. Democracy is like rights- it can't be given, only taken.
BMHO, USA foreign politics is dictated by corporate interests. That's why USA tends to establish Latin-American style dictatorships whenever possible. It's much easier to get cheap labour and raw materials out of dictatorship than out of democracy.
There's not much sense in criticizing this practice, however. First of all, it's hypocritic. All inhabitants of developed countries benefit from it one way or another. Would you cut your living standard by half or more in order to establish fair international relationships? Guess not.
And last but not least, it's impossible to create or bring democracy anyway. Democracy is like rights- it can't be given, only taken.
#19
Posted 31 January 2003 - 12:49 AM
GT wrote :
If some hypothetical Arab democracy declines to sell oil to us, there's always the Russians.
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Nobody is gonna decline to sell their goods. Business is business. The important is who controls that < oil > business.
And 'out of ME' means military and their stuff.
If some hypothetical Arab democracy declines to sell oil to us, there's always the Russians.
_________________________________________
Nobody is gonna decline to sell their goods. Business is business. The important is who controls that < oil > business.
And 'out of ME' means military and their stuff.
#20
Guest__*
Posted 31 January 2003 - 01:23 AM
I think the Russians have a surprise waiting
for the U.S. in Iraq
We are approaching the 10th anniversary of
the federal assault on the Branch-Davidian
church-home near Waco. When the feds made
their surprise attack on Mt Carmel, they thought
it was going to be a piece of cake. Here too,
the feds were looking for illegal weapons.
Interesting that Bush's Crawford ranch is also
near Waco. Bush uses the TSTI airport, which
is the same airport used by the feds during the
51 days of the Mt Carmel siege in 1993.
for the U.S. in Iraq

We are approaching the 10th anniversary of
the federal assault on the Branch-Davidian
church-home near Waco. When the feds made
their surprise attack on Mt Carmel, they thought
it was going to be a piece of cake. Here too,
the feds were looking for illegal weapons.
Interesting that Bush's Crawford ranch is also
near Waco. Bush uses the TSTI airport, which
is the same airport used by the feds during the
51 days of the Mt Carmel siege in 1993.
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