26 replies to this topic

[KoWT]

Rather than making the world more safe, an attack on Saddam could put Americans here at home in harm

[OverSword]

The bigger the risk the bigger the gain. Also this guy seems to think that after hussein is ousted that he will have a loyal group of people that would be willing to carry out these plots, It won't take long for the people of Iraq to see that without saddham, their lives are vastly improved.

[Python]

If we kill all the mosquitos in the swamp, we won't need any lotion.

[ItalianBoy]

MOLTI NEMICI MOLTO ONORE
(i.e. "many foes = much honour", as M. used to say)
there should be no comebacks, no second thoughts
straight on, the West united and determined

[vigorous]

KoWT:

One thing the article fails to grasp is that the ICC
will not deal retroactively. i.e. what Saddam has done
in the past is not an offence the court will consider.

[Gospel]

Interventionism=terrorism.

The US intervened in Afghanistan by training
and supplying the Mujahadeen. Al Qaeda was
born and later sought vengence on the US post
the Gulf War, troops on Saudi soil etc. etc.

To every action of intervention there is a
terrorist reaction. There's no precident to
assume that removing Saddam will irradicate
future strikes. The exact reverse however is
most definatley proven.

It seems that the only way to prevent terrorism
is to remove the arguament, ney the festuring
sore that spawns these fundamentalists.
Hypocrisy and intimidation of the International
Community is grist to the slaughter mill.

[OverSword]

Gospel,
Do you mean, concede to the demands of terrrorists, or kill all potential terrorists? Or possibly remove their current systems of government and religion, replacing them with our own?

[greyzone]

remember
Saddam had been popular in the west because he managed to gain control over all those fundamentalist tribes in the region. Without him, it will be the task of the us and allies to do just that. Thats when the real job begins. New Al Quaida style groups will pop up every time you look away.

But a larger risk are the other nations that see their interest in resources endangered.

[uglybastard]

Certainly, if we don't create a democratic Iraq and leave Saddam and his cronies in power, he might retaliate.

All the more reason to depose him and make sure Iraq becomes a thriving democracy. Then we can count on Iraq as an ally.

[Saddam]

All the more reason to depose him and make sure Iraq becomes a thriving democracy.
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Are there Saudi Arabia , UAE , Kuwait , Oman , Bahrain , Jordan , Yemen etc. democracies ???. No. They are not.
Do you honestly believe that USA wants to create democracies in the Middle East ???. Are you so naive or you are just a professional spinner ???

[uglybastard]

Saddam, whose life is in perile, said, Are there Saudi Arabia , UAE , Kuwait , Oman , Bahrain , Jordan , Yemen etc. democracies ???. No. They are not.

But they will be. They are moving toward democracy and the US is shoving them.

The only time we will be safe is when every man is free.

Inaction = death.

[GorillaTheater]

Are there Saudi Arabia , UAE , Kuwait , Oman , Bahrain , Jordan , Yemen etc. democracies ???. No. They are not.
Do you honestly believe that USA wants to create democracies in the Middle East ???
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A shame when it takes an invasion of an Arab nation in order to establish the first Arab democracy.

[Saddam]

Just notice that any democracy is harder to control. In democracies governments do what the masses want them to do < at least in theory >. What if the masses in ME new democracies want USA out of all ME ???. What's then ???. The new spin to change the governments ???

[Saddam]

A shame when it takes an invasion of an Arab nation in order to establish the first Arab democracy.
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CRAP !!!. Have USA established a democracy in Kuwait after The Desert Storm operation ???. NOPE !!!

[GorillaTheater]

What if the masses in ME new democracies want USA out of all ME ???. What's then ???.
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"Out" meaning what exactly? Physical presence (civilians as well as military)? Investments? Would we be justified then in expelling citizens of those countries and banning investments by those countries? That certainly seems constructive. If some hypothetical Arab democracy declines to sell oil to us, there's always the Russians. And hydogen.

[mataj]

>Do you honestly believe that USA wants to create democracies in the Middle East ???

BMHO, USA foreign politics is dictated by corporate interests. That's why USA tends to establish Latin-American style dictatorships whenever possible. It's much easier to get cheap labour and raw materials out of dictatorship than out of democracy.

There's not much sense in criticizing this practice, however. First of all, it's hypocritic. All inhabitants of developed countries benefit from it one way or another. Would you cut your living standard by half or more in order to establish fair international relationships? Guess not.

And last but not least, it's impossible to create or bring democracy anyway. Democracy is like rights- it can't be given, only taken.

[Saddam]

GT wrote :

If some hypothetical Arab democracy declines to sell oil to us, there's always the Russians.
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Nobody is gonna decline to sell their goods. Business is business. The important is who controls that < oil > business.
And 'out of ME' means military and their stuff.