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#41 vichysmores

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 04:45 AM

"outfox a communist super power (Russia) "
ROTFLMAO!!!!! Yes, with an economy behind Tanzania...

God, what is it like to live in a country like Russia that was once proud and is rapidly descending into the third world...

Not that a single 45 watt bulb hanging from a bare wire with a baked potato, borscht, and a cheaply made sofa from GUM would qualify you folks as even second world.........
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 04:47 AM

"asking questions is unpatriotic"

Asking questions is never unpatriotic, but getting answers back through an aluminium hat somewhat dampens your credibility...

Sorry, guys, IT JUST DOES!
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 05:08 AM

Coastal

It is the absense of proof that proves the theory!!!

Don't you GET IT??? The fact there is no proof means there's a conspiracy. If there wasn't a conspirac, there'd be proof.. the aluminium hat girls have this covered...

(Sorry I keep referring to them as girls, but are they guys?)
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 05:10 AM

Mission,

Major kudos for the CSN reference... one of my favo-right songs...
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 05:25 AM

Despite reports from numerous eyewitnesses and experts, including news reporters on the scene, who heard or saw explosions immediately before the collapse of the World Trade Center, there has been virtual silence in the mainstream media.

Television viewers watching the horrific events of Sept. 11 saw evidence of explosions before the towers collapsed. Televised images show what appears to be a huge explosion occurring near ground level, in the vicinity of the 47-story Salomon Brothers Building, known as WTC 7, prior to the collapse of the first tower.

Van Romero, an explosives expert and former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center at New Mexico Tech, said on Sept. 11, "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse."

The collapse of the structures resembled the controlled implosions used to demolish old structures and was "too methodical to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures," Romero told The Albuquerque Journal hours after the attack.

Implosions are violent collapses inwards, which are used to demolish buildings in areas of high density, to prevent damage to surrounding buildings. Precision-timed explosives are placed on strategic load-bearing columns and beams to cause the controlled collapse.

Demolition experts say that towers are the most difficult buildings to bring down in a controlled manner. A tower tends to fall like a tree, unless the direction of its fall is controlled by directional charges. The WTC towers "smokestacked" neatly, falling within the boundaries of their foundations.

Skeptics say this could not have happened coincidentally and it must have been caused by strategically placed and precisely timed internal charges. Videotape images may reveal these internal charges precipitating the controlled demolition of the towers and WTC 7.

Romero is vice president of research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, which studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures, and often assists in forensic investigations into terrorist attacks, often by setting off similar explosions and studying the effects.

After being hit by the aircraft, the twin towers appeared to be stable. Then without warning, at 9:58 a.m. the south tower imploded vertically downwards, 53 minutes after being hit. At 10:28, 88 minutes after being struck, the north tower collapsed.

"It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that," Romero said. If explosions did cause the towers to collapse, "It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points," he said.

"One of the things terrorist events are noted for is a diversionary attack and secondary device," Romero said. Attackers detonate an initial, diversionary explosion, in this case the collision of the planes into the towers, which brings emergency personnel to the scene, then detonate a second explosion.

Ten days after the attack, following criticism of his initial remarks, Romero did an about-face in his analysis of the collapse, "Certainly the fire is what caused the building to fail," he told the Journal on Sept. 21.

The twin towers were struck by Boeing 767's carrying approximately 23,000 gallons of fuel.

However, there is other information that lends credence to Romero's controversial scenario. One eyewitness whose office is near the World Trade Center told AFP that he was standing among a crowd of people on Church Street, about two-and-a-half blocks from the South tower, when he saw "a number of brief light sources being emitted from inside the building between floors 10 and 15." He saw about six of these brief flashes, accompanied by "a crackling sound" before the tower collapsed. Each tower had six central support columns.

One of the first firefighters in the stricken second tower, Louie Cacchioli, 51, told People Weekly on Sept. 24: "I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building."

Kim White, 32, an employee on the 80th floor, also reported hearing an explosion. "All of a sudden the building shook, then it started to sway. We didn't know what was going on," she told People. "We got all our people on the floor into the stairwell . . . at that time we all thought it was a fire . . .We got down as far as the 74th floor . . . then there was another explosion."

The accepted theory is that as the fires raged in the towers, the steel cores in each building were heated to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit, causing the support beams to buckle.

A lead engineer who designed the World Trade Center Towers expressed shock that the towers collapsed after being hit by passenger jets.

"I designed it for a 707 to hit it," Lee Robertson, the project's structural engineer said. The Boeing 707 has a fuel capacity of more than 23,000 gallons, comparable to the 767's 23,980-gallon fuel capacity.

Another architect of the WTC, Aaron Swirski, lives in Israel and spoke to Jerusalem Post Radio after the attack: "It was designed around that eventuality to survive this kind of attack," he said.

Hyman Brown, a University of Colorado civil engineering professor and the World Trade Center's construction manager, watched in confusion as the towers came down. "It was over-designed to withstand almost anything including hurricanes, high winds, bombings and an airplane hitting it," he said.

Brown told AFP that although the buildings were designed to withstand "a 150-year storm" and the im pact of a Boeing 707, he said the jet fuel burning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit weakened the steel. Brown ex plained that the south tower collapsed first as it was struck lower with more weight above the impact area.

Brown told AFP that he "did not buy" the theory that the implosion was caused by the fires sucking the air out of the lower floors, which has been speculated.

The contractor who is reported to have been the first on the WTC collapse scene to cart away the rubble that remains is a company that specializes in the scientific demolition of large buildings, Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) of Baltimore, headed by Mark Loizeaux.

CDI is the same contractor that demolished and hauled away the shell of the bombed Oklahoma City Murrah building, actions that prevented independent investigators from pursuing evidence on leads suggesting that there were bombs set off inside the building.

In February 2000, a federal grand jury indicted Mark Loizeaux, Douglas Loizeaux and Controlled Demolition, Inc. on charges of falsely reporting campaign contributions by asking family members and CDI employees to donate to the campaign of Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.).

The Baltimore Sun reported that the illegal contributions allegedly occurred between 1996 and 1998. The Loizeaux brothers and CDI were acquitted in Sept ember 2000. Cleaning up the estimated 1.2 million tons of rubble will reportedly cost $7 billion and take up to a year.

Removing the debris has also been controversial. The police said that some scrap metal has been diverted to mob-controlled businesses rather than the dump where investigators are examining rubble for clues and human remains.

The second plane nearly missed the South Tower, cutting through a corner. Most of its fuel burned in an outside explosion. However, this building collapsed first, long before the North Tower, into which a similar plane entered completely.
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 05:29 AM

seriously, read this and ask why ?


comments please
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 05:35 AM

Zionist Circles Benefit From WTC Collapse





Who benefited when the World Trade Center towers collapsed? Who controlled access prior to Sept. 11? These burning questions continue to be ignored by the mainstream media.



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By Christopher Bollyn



Larry Silverstein, lease-holder of the World Trade Center, and Lewis Eisenberg, the man who negotiated the lease, are key supporters of Israel who have both held high positions in the largest Israeli fundraising institution in the United States.

Silverstein and his Australian-Israeli partner, Frank Lowy, are the real estate developers who obtained 99-year leases on the rental and retail spaces of the World Trade Center shortly before the catastrophe of Sept. 11.

Although their leased property is destroyed, the lease-holders themselves stand to gain billions of dollars from insurance.

Eisenberg, the former chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, personally arranged the privatization of the World Trade Center property and oversaw the negotiations that delivered the leases into the private hands of Silverstein and Lowy.

Eisenberg was recently appointed finance chairman of the Republican National Committee.

How did these well-known supporters of Israel come to control the property? What actually caused the buildings to collapse? There are two schools of thought.

There is the
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#48 vichysmores

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 05:37 AM

"Skeptics say this could not have happened....."

Well, at least you are now quoting authorities....

And using valid sources like the Internet, 'cause if it's on the 'Net, it must be true.

Here's a good site as well, a Holocaust denial site... 'cause if it's on the 'Net, it must be true.

http://www.cwrl.utex...VER_HA_377.html
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 05:39 AM

AHA!!!

THE JEWS!!!

I KNEW IT HAD TO BE THE JEWS!!!!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 05:44 AM

Wwerewolf, you can tell some people a black pot is red and they will believe you if you tell them often enough, you can tell some people that one plus one is two and they will argue with you till they are blue in the face that you are lying.

The people who believe the conspiracy that a bunch of cave dwelling arabs knocked down the world trade centre, with a plane load of jet fuel will always believe that. Problem is when you give dumb sheep a computer they all think they are intelligent, free thinking, logical human beings. A leopard cannot change its spots, a dumb yank will always be a dumb sheeple, however many chat rooms and bulletin boards they learn how to use.

Take my advice mate, stop banging your head against a brick wall. You know more of the truth than they do, I do to. Unless you gonna go get a gun and shoot the bastards who really did it and end up in prison for the rest of your life, forget it, you will get ulcers trying to educate those that don't want to face reality for whatever reason.

The real perpetrators will get there dues one day. God knows all.
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 05:45 AM

"The collapse of the twin towers astonished most observers, including knowledgeable structural engineers, and, in the immediate aftermath, a wide range of explanations were offered in an attempt to help the public understand these tragic and unthinkable events. However, the collapse of these symbolic buildings entailed a complex series of events that were not identical for each tower."

"The structural damage sustained by each of the two buildings as a result of the terrorist attacks was massive. The fact that the structures were able to sustain this level of damage and remain standing for an extended period of time is remarkable and is the reason that most building occupants were able to evacuate safely. Events of this type, resulting in such substantial damage, are generally not considered in building design, and the fact that these structures were able to successfully withstand such damage is noteworthy."
Hmmmm, looks like more than idle speculation....

The Discovery Channel program must have been based on the ASCE Report, because the information looks very familiar. In fact, I had forgotten this point, that it is not so remarkable how quickly the buildings went down, but rather, how long they stayed up....

Very handy links
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#52 vichysmores

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 05:46 AM

Chung, is this a case of juvenile althzheimer's>

You posted this a while back....

Sorry not convinced... did YOU read the ASCE Report or the FEMA link?

"you will get ulcers trying to educate those that don't want to face reality for whatever reason."

Let me guess, you don't see the irony, do you?
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 06:02 AM

Darlin',

Sorry for being PIC.... I am older and habits are hard to break...

I didn't realize that we disagreed on anything....

Upon what do we disgree?

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 06:23 AM

Don't bother...

I couldn't imagine what I could have said to offend you.. other, Oh yes. I am guilty....

Not you darlin'.

Have a good night, and get some sleep

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 06:16 PM

Mission Babe wrote:

"I can't say that for al-Qaeda though. It isn't made up of any particular country's men. I think it has stronger bonds than citizenship, it goes beyond that. What does it have? "


Al Quieda is an invention of the CIA. Show me evidence that this thing really exists. And, as I said, Bin Ladin also is an invention of the CIA, and a long-time business partner of the unbelievably corrupt Bush family. Why do you think Bush's CIA visited him in his hospital room in July 2001, and then flew the Bin Ladin clan OUTof the USA on 9/12/01, and produced all those amateurish forgeries of Bin Ladin impersonators that they claim they just happened to have found lying about in Afghanistan, one of the many hapless nations that they have wantonly demolished?


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Posted 07 November 2003 - 06:33 PM

Mission, sweetheart, you're wasting your breath and your energy.

You can show them film (fakes), photographs (forgeries), and real live people (impersonators). You cannot prove anything to them.

Proof is only more evidence of a conspiracy. No proof is evidence of a coverup. This allows them to discount your proof and substantiate their groundless accusations.

Pretty pathetic.
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 06:34 PM

Chung -

Larry Silverstein is a personal friend of Netanyahu. He is also an international criminal and had this scheme to start up a huge money laundering operation in Israel with the help of Netanyahu. He was also a narcotic distributor, pushing the drug ecstasy through his NYC nightclubs. Ecstasy distribution is an Israeli monopoly. An interesting sidelight to that is a story that appeared shortly after 911 and then disappeared afterwards, down the Orwellian memory hole like so many others: It was reported that an ecstasy drug distributor who normally supplied his middle men at the WTC refused to make his usual delivery on 911.

Silverstein, as you have shown, took out the maximum possible insurance policy on his new possession, the WTC, as soon as the law would allow before 911.

On the morning of 911, Silverstein cancelled his meeting that was scheduled to occur in the WTC at the last minute. Silverstein's children did not show up at the jobs at the WTC on 911.


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Posted 07 November 2003 - 06:40 PM

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Oh Wait, do you mean Shel Silverstein the author of "Where the Sidewalk Ends"? I loved his books...
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 06:54 PM

Coastal: "Show one shred of proof that Jews were forewarned."

http://free.freespee...Connection.html


http://free.freespee...eliSpyRing.html


The news of the forewarning of the Israeli company, Ondigo, was widely broadcast after 911, including the establishment mass media. Ondigo received a two hour advance warning. Now, of course, this has disappeared from the news and the Bush regime spokespeopole try to tell us it was all an "urban myth."

Bush lied (now there's a novelty, eh!?) when he said that hundreds of Israelis were killed at the WTC on 911. There, in the epicenter of world Jewish financial power, TWO Israelis were finally listed as killed on 911. Both have since shown up alive. By contrast, over 400 Filipinos perished.

Click on the two links above for more, much more.


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Posted 07 November 2003 - 06:59 PM

http://www.bigmagic..../column94c.html


Good link by Chung. There is NO evidence that the support structure of the WTC was melted or softened. In fact, the feds went to great efforts - as they did earlier in the OK City federal building destruction - to ensure that the remains could not be adequately examined. In fact, as I mentioned earlier, they used the same (Australian owned) carting firm to haul away and destroy the evidence!


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