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#19061 Railroad Bum

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 10:51 PM

That link is 7 1/2 years old. Do a search like this and you'll come up with functioning links:

"flights 11 (north tower) and 77 (pentagon) did not fly on 911!!!"

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 11:00 PM

Thanks Railroad Bum.  So much research on that event was put on computer interlink sites, and essentially wiped out over time.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 02:14 AM

That link is 7 1/2 years old. Do a search like this and you'll come up with functioning links:

"flights 11 (north tower) and 77 (pentagon) did not fly on 911!!!"

 

Fake News


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#19064 Railroad Bum

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 03:51 AM

Thanks Railroad Bum.  So much research on that event was put on computer interlink sites, and essentially wiped out over time.

 

 

 

It's worse than ever now. Of course 911 was their biggest false flag of the 21st century, so far anyway, but I was trying to go to links I had saved re Sandy Hoax - all those 'grieving" crisis actors that could hardly keep from busting out laughing and their ever changing stories, the two men in camo chased down in the woods behind the school - the school that nobody was allowed to see because there was no blood on the floor or bullet holes in it, as well as no security camm video, all filmed by helicopter, and then vanished from the news, the interviews with the teachers at the Sandy Hoax school talking about working with the fictitios Adam Lanza (who died years before), and then the story line abruptly changed so that she never worked there at all, the guffawing coroner who said he hopes this all doesn't come down on the people involved ...they've scoured them all off the internet, tho they might be available someplace else.  Laughing Crisis actor Robbie Parker still is.  And now they are trying to say that Crisis Actors is a "conspiracy theory", but CrisisActors.Org is still on the Internet Archive, unless they've very recently scrubbed that too, and I well remember their website.  Yes it's worse than ever now, but the 911 truth people are stronger than ever.  Oh yeah, I downloaded and saved some vids. I should have done many more.


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#19065 Railroad Bum

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 04:13 AM

 

Fake News

 

American Airlines itself is the source for information that AA Flights 11 (North Tower) and 77 (Pentagon) did not fly on 911. 

If neither flight was in the air as American Airlines itself has so stated, then numerous ‘official versions’ of the ‘official conspiracy theory’ are all a pack of malicious lies. That includes almost every statement made by Bush. It is, in my opinion, probable cause to indict Bush and his co-conspirators for the crimes of mass murder and high treason.
WikiScanner discovered that American Airlines changed their Wikipedia entry to state that Flights 11 and 77 never flew on 9/11. Original entry was:
Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: American Airlines Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and American Airlines Flight 11 (a Boeing 767).

New entry is as follows and it includes the bolded text below:
Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and Flight 11 (a Boeing 767).

Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day.
–Wikipedia

To make the point: the source for these change is American Airlines by making changes to Wikipedia.

The ‘story’ is not Wiki. The story is not about Wiki. The story is about how AA ‘corrected’ a wiki entry. The story is about the fact that the evidence that Flights 11 and 77 were not flying on 911 comes from American Airlines itself.
According to a Freedom of Information Act reply from the U.S. Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS), the last known pre-9/11 flights for three of the four aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 took place in December, 2000, nine months before the attacks, while no pre-9/11 final flight information was provided for American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA).

However, a discovered searchable online BTS database produces the following search results for three of the four 9/11 aircraft on September 10, 2001:
AA 11 departs San Francisco (SFO): AA 09/10/2001 0198 (flight number) N334AA (tail number) BOS (destination) 22:04 (wheels-off time)
UA 175 departs San Francisco (SFO): UA 09/10/2001 0170 (flight number) N612UA (tail number) BOS (destination) 13:44 (wheels-off time)
UA 93 departs San Francisco (SFO): UA 09/10/2001 0078 (flight number) N591UA (tail number) EWR (destination) 23:15 (wheels-off time)–911 Blogger, UPDATE: U.S. BTS FOIA Records For 9/11 Planes Differ From BTS Online Database [The records were obtained by Adrian Monaghan]

Anyone trying to prove that Flights 77 and 11 were not flying on 911 would have to verify that proposition through authoritative sources that could confirm it. The question is raised: how do we know who made the changes to Wiki? Everyone logged on to the internet does so from an IP address. In this case, the IP is that of American Airlines. It’s traceable.
My own WHOIS lookup as well as a Google search of the IP address proves conclusively that it was –indeed –American Airlines itself that made the change. It is American Airlines –by way of Wiki –that has said that neither Flight 11 nor Flight 77 were in the air that day.
Therefore, the Bush theory of 911 is a deliberate lie.

My look up returned the following:

WHOIS – 144.9.8.21

Location: United States [City: Ft. Worth, Texas]

OrgName: American Airlines Incorporated

OrgID: AMERIC-112

Address: P.O.Box 619616

Address: MD 5308

City: DFW Airport

StateProv: TX

PostalCode: 75261

Country: US
NetRange: 144.9.0.0 – 144.9.255.255

CIDR: 144.9.0.0/16

NetName: AANET

NetHandle: NET-144-9-0-0-1

Parent: NET-144-0-0-0-0

NetType: Direct Assignment

NameServer: DNS-P1.SABRE.COM

NameServer: DNS-P2.SABRE.COM

NameServer: DNS-P3.SABRE.COM

NameServer: DNS-P4.SABRE.COM

Comment:

RegDate: 1990-10-31

Updated: 2002-06-27
RTechHandle: OG60-ARIN

RTechName: Gelbrich, Orf

RTechPhone: +1-817-931-3145

RTechEmail: ************@aa.com
OrgTechHandle: ZW72-ARIN

OrgTechName: WARIS, ZISHAN

OrgTechPhone: +1-817-967-1242

OrgTechEmail: ************@aa.com
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-06-29 19:10

 

 

https://911scholars....s-bushs-big-lie


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#19066 Railroad Bum

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 04:17 AM

Most here don't know it now but the late Captain Ed Toner, retired jumbo jet pilot and jumbo jet pilot instructor, was an important participant on this thread.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 04:46 AM

 

 

American Airlines itself is the source for information that AA Flights 11 (North Tower) and 77 (Pentagon) did not fly on 911. 

If neither flight was in the air as American Airlines itself has so stated, then numerous ‘official versions’ of the ‘official conspiracy theory’ are all a pack of malicious lies. That includes almost every statement made by Bush. It is, in my opinion, probable cause to indict Bush and his co-conspirators for the crimes of mass murder and high treason.
WikiScanner discovered that American Airlines changed their Wikipedia entry to state that Flights 11 and 77 never flew on 9/11. Original entry was:
Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: American Airlines Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and American Airlines Flight 11 (a Boeing 767).

New entry is as follows and it includes the bolded text below:
Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and Flight 11 (a Boeing 767).

Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day.
–Wikipedia

To make the point: the source for these change is American Airlines by making changes to Wikipedia.

The ‘story’ is not Wiki. The story is not about Wiki. The story is about how AA ‘corrected’ a wiki entry. The story is about the fact that the evidence that Flights 11 and 77 were not flying on 911 comes from American Airlines itself.
According to a Freedom of Information Act reply from the U.S. Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS), the last known pre-9/11 flights for three of the four aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 took place in December, 2000, nine months before the attacks, while no pre-9/11 final flight information was provided for American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA).

However, a discovered searchable online BTS database produces the following search results for three of the four 9/11 aircraft on September 10, 2001:
AA 11 departs San Francisco (SFO): AA 09/10/2001 0198 (flight number) N334AA (tail number) BOS (destination) 22:04 (wheels-off time)
UA 175 departs San Francisco (SFO): UA 09/10/2001 0170 (flight number) N612UA (tail number) BOS (destination) 13:44 (wheels-off time)
UA 93 departs San Francisco (SFO): UA 09/10/2001 0078 (flight number) N591UA (tail number) EWR (destination) 23:15 (wheels-off time)–911 Blogger, UPDATE: U.S. BTS FOIA Records For 9/11 Planes Differ From BTS Online Database [The records were obtained by Adrian Monaghan]

Anyone trying to prove that Flights 77 and 11 were not flying on 911 would have to verify that proposition through authoritative sources that could confirm it. The question is raised: how do we know who made the changes to Wiki? Everyone logged on to the internet does so from an IP address. In this case, the IP is that of American Airlines. It’s traceable.
My own WHOIS lookup as well as a Google search of the IP address proves conclusively that it was –indeed –American Airlines itself that made the change. It is American Airlines –by way of Wiki –that has said that neither Flight 11 nor Flight 77 were in the air that day.
Therefore, the Bush theory of 911 is a deliberate lie.

My look up returned the following:

WHOIS – 144.9.8.21

Location: United States [City: Ft. Worth, Texas]

OrgName: American Airlines Incorporated

OrgID: AMERIC-112

Address: P.O.Box 619616

Address: MD 5308

City: DFW Airport

StateProv: TX

PostalCode: 75261

Country: US
NetRange: 144.9.0.0 – 144.9.255.255

CIDR: 144.9.0.0/16

NetName: AANET

NetHandle: NET-144-9-0-0-1

Parent: NET-144-0-0-0-0

NetType: Direct Assignment

NameServer: DNS-P1.SABRE.COM

NameServer: DNS-P2.SABRE.COM

NameServer: DNS-P3.SABRE.COM

NameServer: DNS-P4.SABRE.COM

Comment:

RegDate: 1990-10-31

Updated: 2002-06-27
RTechHandle: OG60-ARIN

RTechName: Gelbrich, Orf

RTechPhone: +1-817-931-3145

RTechEmail: ************@aa.com
OrgTechHandle: ZW72-ARIN

OrgTechName: WARIS, ZISHAN

OrgTechPhone: +1-817-967-1242

OrgTechEmail: ************@aa.com
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-06-29 19:10

 

 

https://911scholars....s-bushs-big-lie

 

 

Some jerk was editing the Wikipedia article with lies about the flights in order to prop up the conspiracy theory. Here is the point at which all of that conspiracy nonsense was deleted, following a number of tweaks to the original CT post: https://en.wikipedia...&oldid=50133448

 

To claim that American Airlines made any of those edits to the Wikipedia article is simply ludicrous, but then so is most of what you post.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 05:10 AM

 

Some jerk was editing the Wikipedia article with lies about the flights in order to prop up the conspiracy theory. Here is the point at which all of that conspiracy nonsense was deleted, following a number of tweaks to the original CT post: https://en.wikipedia...&oldid=50133448

 

To claim that American Airlines made any of those edits to the Wikipedia article is simply ludicrous, but then so is most of what you post.

 

 

 

The edits led directly to American Airlines.  Wikipedia, like Google, Facebook, etc. is totally PC'd.  Nothing about the official 911 story made any sense, except to dunce cap wearing assholes like you spouting the requisite "conspiracy theory" and other Bad Names.  There are a million "anomalies" (obvious lies) in the official story that is obvious to any honest and intelligent person. Many are buried in this thread.

 

I knew they were lying about it right from day one. Two things tipped me off immediately.  Still I was almost knee deep in the whole thing.

 

Captain Toner called up  Boeing and id'd himself and asked them if the 911 planes were equipt with any devices that could take over the controls from the pilots. They told him "that information is classified". He remarked, "We [pilots] would be the last to know."


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#19069 Railroad Bum

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 05:18 AM

I don't really feel like dealing with asshole trolls like this one with the dunce cap filling the ecological niche left by the earlier ones, so I'll just post some links.  Here is one. Look how many of the linked videos have since been scoured!

http://www.bushstole...os_embedded.htm

 


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 05:20 AM

Firefighters for 911 truth

 

https://www.ff911truthandunity.org


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 05:24 AM

Architects & Engineers For 911 Truth

 

(This is a very active and important one)

 

 

 

 

https://www.ae911truth.org

 

 

More than 3,000 architects and engineers have signed our petition. View every signatory.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 05:25 AM

There are many more.  The dunce cap crowd is only interested in watching tv and calling names. Those who are interested in the truth will seek it.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 06:00 PM

I'm pretty burnt out on the subject. Anyone interested can dive into the thread anywhere and see that the trolls just called names and tried to spam the thread.  There was never  a one who could debate the points and defend the official story, because the official story makes no sense, and bears no scrutiny, holds no water (for instance the alleged Arab highjackers were training at CIA connected US airports of all places and saying things like we don't want to learn how to take off and land just fly, and the flight instructor of the Arab who supposedly flew the giant passenger jet into the Pentagon making below tree top level hairpin turns beyond the capability of the best pilot in the world or even the mechanical capability of the aircraft himself, and his instructor said that he was so incompetent training on the little one engine Cessna that he didn't think he could even drive  acar!). 

 

They've scoured a lot of material from the internet but there is still a lot there, and ongoing research too, which you can see at the A&E For 911 site for instance and the ongoing hearings and lawsuits can be found on your Facebook (Zuckerbergbook) by joining a 911 truth group, since they haven't yet gotten around to censoring those. 

 

Lawyers Committee For 911 Inquiry

https://www.facebook..._location=group


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 06:06 PM

The top photo is of a Cessna 150 cockpit, the plane allegedly used to train the 9/11 hijackers.
 
The bottom photo is of a B-767 cockpit that was allegedly hijacked by poorly trained and inexperienced pilots on 9/11 without their having ever seen the cockpit.
 
Do you notice any subtle differences?
 
They must really think we are stupid.
 
 
 
 
  

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 06:15 PM

Once 767 is in the air none of this high-tech cockpit stuff matters anymore....you're flying by a line of sight and that's is very easy. BTW, have you noticed that this topic is like 15 y/o?


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 08:32 PM

Surprising how many people you see on here who are ignorant and naive enough to still apparently believe the official conspiracy theory about the 19 arabs with boxcutters.

 

No steel framed building had ever collapsed from fire in over a century and a half since they were building them.  On 911 three giant modern superskyscrapers did that one after another, not only collapsing at virtual free fall speed but turning to dust in mid air!  By contrast here is the Beijing hotel that burned far hotter and far longer than any of the WTC towers, and also its aftermath.

 

There are so many many aspects of the 911 attacks that make zero sense and bear zero scrutiny.

090210-hotelfire-vmed-6a.grid-4x2.jpgcb52a2b24b3a54be10315346d652367d.jpg

 

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 07:09 AM

Bottom line is that Israel needed Taliban to stop allowing Arab volunteer soldiers

to train in street-to-street fighting to liberate Palestine from from Zionist thieves

Was shown on CBCTV.

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A spectacular event was needed to mobilize opinion to have US attack Afghanistan.

 

Lucky Larry needed insurance money to pay for rebuilding old Twin Towers as well as having them

demolished pronto..


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 09:00 PM

Bottom line is that Israel needed Taliban to stop allowing Arab volunteer soldiers
to train in street-to-street fighting to liberate Palestine from from Zionist thieves
Was shown on CBCTV.
.
A spectacular event was needed to mobilize opinion to have US attack Afghanistan.
 
Lucky Larry needed insurance money to pay for rebuilding old Twin Towers as well as having them
demolished pronto..


The Israeli-Americans accomplished numerous things with their ur 911 false flag. Iraq was the most rapidly modernizing Arab country and Israel considered it their most dangerous enemy. Israel and the USA has just thrown a hissy fit and stormed out of the so called anti-racism conference in "new" (openheimer-black-communist) south africa when israel had been declared "racist". Larry Silverstein finally found a way to demolish his all but condemned money losing WTC towers and make billions of dollars in the process (he was very close friends with Netanyahu in Israel) ; Pentagon Comptroller Rabbi Dov Zakheim found a way to totally cover up the missing trillions from the Pentagon budget that had gone to israel - it was being tabulated exactly where the alleged passenger plane hit the Pent (and then totally vanished!) ; the gold in the vault under the WTC got vanished... and much more...

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 09:05 PM

Once 767 is in the air none of this high-tech cockpit stuff matters anymore....you're flying by a line of sight and that's is very easy. BTW, have you noticed that this topic is like 15 y/o?


Nonsense. You'd have to know what you were doing. And the "plane" that hit the pentagon made below tree top maneuvers and hairpin turns that were beyond the capabilities of the greatest pilot in the world as well as the physical capabilities of the aircraft itself.

Yeah I started this thread way back then under a different name.

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