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#61 farmer

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 12:06 AM

Originally posted by Californian
Farmer:
>>Now it seems to me that the hysteria that dominates these days is in the White House and that hysteria you conservatives, (for hard-to-figure-reasons), call a "left-wing" phenomenon.<<

That's becasuse the far right is as totalitarian, dominate everyone as any Stalinist - they simply found out there's more money in capitalism. In short they are Communists, but a different branch, which makes them 'left.'

Stalinists want to overthrow society by revolution. Trotskyites operate by infiltration, as they have done in the US. But they used Stalinist concepts to overthrow Iraq with 'revolution' from outside.

See why people here are calling them 'left'?
It has nothing to do with economic philosophy.


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logical destiny is to become totalitarian thru' the capitalist mechanism available to them............
BUT it is still not accurate to call them "left" because right-wing totalitarianism is "logically" fascism.
In fact the definition of facsism is: "The corportization of the state"...........that's not "left"! "Left-wing" totalitarianism is state control, period, (no lobbies, no votes, no big-business calling the shots or footing the bills for campaigns or buying the media)..........no corporations involved..............!

So? So I still think it's more accurate to call the US a right-wing facsist state because of the method used to provide the elite with a "totalitarian" reality from which to reign.

I think most of the posters that support this "left" idea are just dealing with the surprise that capitalism can end up in the same place Russian communism ended up (gulag and all)...............i.e. being a vicious boss with only a few redeeming characterists left and no real "future" at all!.:o :( :o

But thanks for the thumbnail of where they are all coming from.:eek:
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#62 Mr Teapot

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 01:03 AM

One has to consciously suppress a giggle as one observes these Leftards sticking their elbows into their arses as they bend themselves out of shape trying to portray Principled Conservatives as their image of useless idiot Leftard Pinko Commies.

So I have to ask the idiots, if the USA is a Fascist State what is the similarities with real Fascist States like Franco's Spain and Mussolini's Italy?
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#63 Brendon

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 01:13 AM

Originally posted by Mr Teapot
One has to consciously suppress a giggle as one observes these Leftards sticking their elbows into their arses as they bend themselves out of shape trying to portray Principled Conservatives as their image of useless idiot Leftard Pinko Commies.

So I have to ask the idiots, if the USA is a Fascist State what is the similarities with real Fascist States like Franco's Spain and Mussolini's Italy?



Franco's Spain and Mussolini's Italy used to involve themselves in murder, torture, military adventurism...etc they were the neocons of their day.

Just like Mussilino used to ponce about in his uniform with fake medals, so too does the retard Bush land planes of decks. Both frauds.

I'm surprised that a Trotskyist like you would support them, Comrade Teapot. HAHAHA
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#64 farmer

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Mr Teapot
One has to consciously suppress a giggle as one observes these Leftards sticking their elbows into their arses as they bend themselves out of shape trying to portray Principled Conservatives as their image of useless idiot Leftard Pinko Commies.

So I have to ask the idiots, if the USA is a Fascist State what is the similarities with real Fascist States like Franco's Spain and Mussolini's Italy?

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the US is run/dominated by corporations (Halliburton in Iraq and NO..........Diebold running "elections" etc)...........so where exactly IS the giggle?.

(Sobbing would be more appropriate I would think). :(
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#65 Mr Teapot

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 01:55 AM

Rubbish.
Congressmen are elected for a 2 year term. Congress and the Senate run the government. By cutting off funding for the Vietnam war the Congress forced the Prez to withdraw from Vietnam. Same situation can happen with Iraq. Nothing to do with Corporations.

Halliburton has the ability to manage large scale construction projects so why should they not qualify for them? I suppose you would suggest your corner bicycle store be tasked with the reconstruction of oil refineries.
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#66 Mr Teapot

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Brendon
Franco's Spain and Mussolini's Italy used to involve themselves in murder, torture, military adventurism...etc they were the neocons of their day.

Just like Mussilino used to ponce about in his uniform with fake medals, so too does the retard Bush land planes of decks. Both frauds.

I'm surprised that a Trotskyist like you would support them, Comrade Teapot. HAHAHA



Brendon old ****. Every asinine post you come up with further convinces people what a abject idiot you have become. Get your head out of SourKrauts *** and try to think for yourself for a change.

GW is a Pilot in the Texas National Guard. Also Commander in Chief. Why should he not land on an American aircraft carrier if he so chooses? BTW he was not the pilot.
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#67 Draco_Annie

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 02:22 AM

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt


"Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections."

http://www.rense.com...eral37/char.htm
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#68 Brendon

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 02:39 AM

Originally posted by Mr Teapot
Brendon old ****. Every asinine post you come up with further convinces people what a abject idiot you have become. Get your head out of SourKrauts *** and try to think for yourself for a change.

GW is a Pilot in the Texas National Guard. Also Commander in Chief. Why should he not land on an American aircraft carrier if he so chooses? BTW he was not the pilot.



Don't give me that collectivist garbage brother Teapot! Bush the retard tried to take credit for landing the plane without actually saying it. Like you and all your Stalinist chums, he is a crafty liar, careful not to get caught out in his Trotskyist web of deception: "Yes, I flew it. Yeah, of course, I liked it," said Bush, who was an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard after graduating from Yale University in 1968.

A headline from CNN on the same link: "President Bush makes a tailhook landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln."

Lying pricks.

Bush was a AWOL lying coward. Like yourself. :)
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#69 Brendon

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 02:43 AM

Originally posted by Mr Teapot
Brendon old ****. Every asinine post you come up with further convinces people what a abject idiot you have become. Get your head out of SourKrauts *** and try to think for yourself for a change.



Mr Teapot,

there is no need to deal in insults. Try and be civil.
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#70 Mr Teapot

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 03:15 AM

Originally posted by Brendon
Mr Teapot,

there is no need to deal in insults. Try and be civil.



and what is this?

Bush was a AWOL lying coward. Like yourself.


Typical leftard doublespeak.

.. and as usual you cherry pick your quotes but at least you had the balls to link the item which refutes your comment. Tsk tsk!

Bush said he did take a turn at piloting the craft.

"Yes, I flew it. Yeah, of course, I liked it," said Bush, who was an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard after graduating from Yale University in 1968.


He took a turn Saddam. He did not say he flew it solo and landed it.

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#71 Mr Teapot

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 03:25 AM

Your 14 defining characteristics of Fascism should convince your comrades SourKraut and Brendon that there is no connection between the Administration and Fascism. Good work Drano, even if it had the result you did not intend!
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#72 Miss Astrojet

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 03:46 AM

So I have to ask the idiots, if the USA is a Fascist State what is the similarities with real Fascist States like Franco's Spain and Mussolini's Italy?



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Well the lefty loon squad thinks the US is fascist because in truth they want it to be a socialist dictatorship. The question should be what's the difference between their "Shangri-La" socialist dictatorship and a fascist one? None except for the color of the uniform and flag.
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#73 Brendon

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 03:56 AM

Originally posted by Mr Teapot
and what is this?



There is no need to be so sensitive. You commies are so humourless.


Originally posted by Mr Teapot
Typical leftard doublespeak.



See what I mean. You are at it again. Always with the insults!

Originally posted by Mr Teapot
.. and as usual you cherry pick your quotes but at least you had the balls to link the item which refutes your comment. Tsk tsk!



The article states he landed the plane. Simple as that. Put that in your Stalinist pipe and smoke it, Comrade.

Originally posted by Mr Teapot
He took a turn Saddam. He did not say he flew it solo and landed it.



No. He is a clever liar. He gave the impression he flew it, though. And CNN played along. The Commander-In-Lies. Typical Trotskyite.
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#74 Brendon

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 03:57 AM

Originally posted by Miss Astrojet
So I have to ask the idiots, if the USA is a Fascist State what is the similarities with real Fascist States like Franco's Spain and Mussolini's Italy?



War.
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#75 Brendon

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 04:02 AM

Originally posted by Mr Teapot
Your 14 defining characteristics of Fascism should convince your comrades SourKraut and Brendon that there is no connection between the Administration and Fascism. Good work Drano, even if it had the result you did not intend!
:kowt:



Personally I think Draco Annie is lying. I think she described the Bush admin in 14 points (accurately), and then claimed that was a blueprint for fascism.
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#76 Draco_Annie

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 04:02 AM

as Brendon puts it:

Put that in your Stalinist pipe and smoke it, Comrade.


:D :Bad: :kowt:
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Posted 01 October 2005 - 04:10 AM

Left hysteria started because Zog (Zionist Occupied Government) killed 3,000 on 9-11 and they are getting away with it.

Larry Silverstein is a free man and he should be in jail charged with murder and insurance fraud. No justice no peace...and TP calls the demand for justice.." hysteria"...FU
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#78 Mr Teapot

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 04:15 AM

Your insults are supposed to be humour and my insightful observations are supposed to be insults? :crazy:

How insulting can you get?

CNN is a leftwing anti Republican news outlet. GW does not write and edit their stories. You are nitpicking because your side is morally bankrupt. Even a careful reading of the CNN article does not state that Bush personally landed the plane.

The last plane trip you took and landed in pre war Saddam Hussein airport were you and the 150 other passengers piloting the aircraft?
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#79 Mr Teapot

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 04:25 AM

Originally posted by Brendon
Personally I think Draco Annie is lying......



Nothing new in that. I thought so way back when I first read her pathetic Baghdad Bob plagiarized drivel.
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#80 Draco_Annie

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 05:35 AM

Originally posted by Brendon
Personally I think Draco Annie is lying. I think she described the Bush admin in 14 points (accurately), and then claimed that was a blueprint for fascism.



:sigh: I didn't utter a bloody word Brendon!

I just posted an article, all you have to do is click on the link and analyse.

Geez, that doesn't take a univ degree...

You want to look intelligent here and post valid arguments, you've got to be consistent, really:tralala:
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