Jump to content

Theme© by Fisana
 

Photo

The hysterical left.


  • Please log in to reply
3514 replies to this topic

#101 NonZionist

NonZionist

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2218 posts

Posted 01 October 2005 - 04:14 PM

Originally posted by farmer
.........................
the good Dr. L. Britt that provided the description of fascism as it exists and has existed in this world. All you had to do was extrapolate from it as to wether or not the US "measures up". (I think it does).:o

You and TP are so out of touch with reality with all the "left" terms being used against each other to show WHAT? exactly??............ deep denial and disillusionment with the American way maybe?

The US today is a child of extreme capitalism gone rancid. There is nothing "left" about that process......... (the "left" goes rancid in it's own way.)
:uh:
So, do everybody a favour and stop fogging up the logic of the tragedy. (CNN as "left" is totally perposterous):bwadr:





This discussion has been revealing. You and Teapot have both come down on the side of totalitarianism. I'm disappointed in you, Farmer!

For you, the divide seems to be between Trotskyites and non-Trotskyites.
  • Teapot is bad, because he's a Trotskyite communist.
  • You are good because you are a NON-Trotskyite communist.

For me, this is a distinction without a difference. For me, the divide is between the individualist and the collectivist, and I side with the former.

In my view, the regime (the collective) is just a glorified MOB. In a mob, the level of intelligence and moral sensibility falls to the least common denonimator, which, in a large country like the U.S.I., is ZERO.

What's more, the level of self-RIGHTEOUSNESS in the regime climbs to the greatest common multiple: The mob, on the basis of its numbers, congratulates itself on being right and holy. It then feels free to burn dissenting individuals at the stake.

A huge circle of self-reinforcing ignorance forms, and where this circle collides with reality, war breaks out.




You may think you have a wonderful sophisticated civilized government. The Germans thought the same seventy years ago, and Americans thought the same five years ago. But note well: POWER CORRUPTS.

The greater the power, the greater the corruption. Criminals are drawn to the scent of power. They get themselves elected, and then they pervert the electoral system. They know what they are doing, because they know their lives and their fortunes depend on how well they manipulate the system.

Other people get elected too, but they tend to be naive idealists who DON'T know what they're doing. Because they purport to represent the public and not themselves, they are all too willing to look the other way when the criminals tighten the noose on power.
  • 0

#102 NonZionist

NonZionist

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2218 posts

Posted 01 October 2005 - 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Nozog
Left hysteria started because Zog (Zionist Occupied Government) killed 3,000 on 9-11 and they are getting away with it.

Larry Silverstein is a free man and he should be in jail charged with murder and insurance fraud. No justice no peace...and TP calls the demand for justice.." hysteria"...FU





The ghouls get away with it because they do what Teapot is doing:

They pit "Left" against "Right" and "Right" against "Left", and then, while we're all playing this silly geometry game, they rob us blind and stampede us into savagery.


The game will end when "we the people" begin to realize that some things are MORE important than the color of the hat one is wearing -- things like human life and our own survival.

If, instead, we take Teapot's advice and insist on seeing only "Left" and "Right", we will miss the precipice that is directly IN FRONT of us. Both the stupid "Left" and the stupid "Right" will then march over the cliff together, still engaged in mindless bickering, till both distintegrate on the rocks far below.

The real choice is between totalitarian War Party sociopaths like Teapot, and peaceable human beings. The latter make up the vast majority, but because we allow ourselves to be hypnotized and divided by Teapot's silly geometry, we are losing our country and our freedom. We need to repudiate this diabolical geometry and assert our right to live in a THREE-dimensional political universe.
  • 0

#103 Mr Teapot

Mr Teapot

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4631 posts

Posted 01 October 2005 - 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Incubus
Look who's talking



I'll bet your keyboard is a mess.



lol
Priceless!
  • 0

#104 Mr Teapot

Mr Teapot

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4631 posts

Posted 01 October 2005 - 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Californian
TP, not every Conservative is a Fascist or Trotskyite Communist (same end result - totalitarianism.) Neither are they all 'useful idiots' for same.

When they or their center & left counterparts work for the government, the swear an oath to uphold the constitution, not be the shock troopers for any administration. Most Conservatives are for the good of the country first, but levels of awareness vary due to families, jobs, whatever.

'Infiltration' by definition implies stealth and a relatively small number of culprits.



You should direct your post to Comrade Brendon, not me.

Conservatives are far removed from Fascists or whatever "Trotsky Commies" are supposed to mean.
Brendon is a Maoist Leninist Commie as opposed to a Castro Trotsky Pinko Commie.
:D
  • 0

#105 Californian

Californian

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1897 posts

Posted 01 October 2005 - 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Mr Teapot
You should direct your post to Comrade Brendon, not me.

Conservatives are far removed from Fascists or whatever "Trotsky Commies" are supposed to mean.

I agree about Conservatives, because once they become those things, they aren't Conservatives. But both ends of the spectrum have to watch for rotten apples who have become or always were something other than they seem. There are Commies who took a right turn and became GOP.

Now for the left:
When the soviet Union imploded, so did the Communist Party in the USA. Most seemed to become anarchists or join the Democrats. A few still call themslelves CPUSA.

The anarchists aren't much of a problem. They don't vote or enter the political process. It's just a matter of making sure they don't blow something up or start a riot. CPUSA is toothless.

Those who became Democrats are a problem, because they are the core of the looniest part of the Party, and are extremely noisy. Clinton kept tham out of any real power, so at this point they are rabid for it. If they prevail, once again we have totalitarianism, under the name of Utopia.

It's interesting times, if you stay awake, keep learning, and keep assessing against your own common sense.

As for Brendon, I would call him an inquiring mind.
  • 0

#106 Horseman

Horseman

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 18434 posts

Posted 01 October 2005 - 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Incubus
Look who's talking



Naw didnt see that movie, why did it bring a tear to your eye...

So whats on your homosexual agenda today Incupus, is it waxing night again, I notice Tosspots highly excited it must be the "you bring the crunch I have the dip" boys night.......
  • 0

#107 4321lynx

4321lynx

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 592 posts

Posted 01 October 2005 - 09:43 PM

Right, left, trotskyite, non trotskyite, fascist, commie.
Labels.
I asked on another forum (&got no answer) You have Bush & Gang & what they have done, in the US & Irak. Some are proud of them.
Would Franklin, Washington, Jefferson , the Adams be proud of them & their actions? Is this what Patrick Henry believed, what John Henry signed up for?
I don't even dare to mention "commie" Lincoln, "commie Jew-Mason" Roosevelt or "commie fascist-Papist bastard" Kennedy in this context. But does anyone feel that Eisenhower or Reagan would be proud of what that incompetent gang of liars have done? Or even a brilliant paranoid like Nixon?
Think about it. Forget the labels.
The only one who knows what is happenning & knew it from the beginning is Condidobermannleeza,& it'll be interesting to see how she comes out of it.
The others are such lying limited wheeling-dealing traders that buy-and-sell and think that the bottom line is the only thing that matters and it's OK to do everything that comes into their heads "as long as they can't see it or can't prove it". "They" being the American people, or those of them that vote.
Forget the labels. The proud Republic is being turned into a Banana Republic.
The name of the game is IsraelOil.
  • 0

#108 Californian

Californian

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1897 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 12:30 AM

Originally posted by 4321lynx
Right, left, trotskyite, non trotskyite, fascist, commie.
Labels.
I asked on another forum (&got no answer) You have Bush & Gang & what they have done, in the US & Irak. Some are proud of them.
Would Franklin, Washington, Jefferson , the Adams be proud of them & their actions? Is this what Patrick Henry believed, what John Henry signed up for?
I don't even dare to mention "commie" Lincoln, "commie Jew-Mason" Roosevelt or "commie fascist-Papist bastard" Kennedy in this context. But does anyone feel that Eisenhower or Reagan would be proud of what that incompetent gang of liars have done? Or even a brilliant paranoid like Nixon?
Think about it. Forget the labels.
The only one who knows what is happenning & knew it from the beginning is Condidobermannleeza,& it'll be interesting to see how she comes out of it.
The others are such lying limited wheeling-dealing traders that buy-and-sell and think that the bottom line is the only thing that matters and it's OK to do everything that comes into their heads "as long as they can't see it or can't prove it". "They" being the American people, or those of them that vote.
Forget the labels. The proud Republic is being turned into a Banana Republic.
The name of the game is IsraelOil.

Can't disagree, but if you'll permit me just one more label:

'The Christian Right' as enablers of the mess, and with a power agenda of their own.
  • 0

#109 farmer

farmer

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1407 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 12:33 AM

Originally posted by NonZionist
This discussion has been revealing. You and Teapot have both come down on the side of totalitarianism. I'm disappointed in you, Farmer!

For you, the divide seems to be between Trotskyites and non-Trotskyites.

  • Teapot is bad, because he's a Trotskyite communist.
  • You are good because you are a NON-Trotskyite communist.

For me, this is a distinction without a difference. For me, the divide is between the individualist and the collectivist, and I side with the former.

In my view, the regime (the collective) is just a glorified MOB. In a mob, the level of intelligence and moral sensibility falls to the least common denonimator, which, in a large country like the U.S.I., is ZERO.

What's more, the level of self-RIGHTEOUSNESS in the regime climbs to the greatest common multiple: The mob, on the basis of its numbers, congratulates itself on being right and holy. It then feels free to burn dissenting individuals at the stake.

A huge circle of self-reinforcing ignorance forms, and where this circle collides with reality, war breaks out.




You may think you have a wonderful sophisticated civilized government. The Germans thought the same seventy years ago, and Americans thought the same five years ago. But note well: POWER CORRUPTS.

The greater the power, the greater the corruption. Criminals are drawn to the scent of power. They get themselves elected, and then they pervert the electoral system. They know what they are doing, because they know their lives and their fortunes depend on how well they manipulate the system.

Other people get elected too, but they tend to be naive idealists who DON'T know what they're doing. Because they purport to represent the public and not themselves, they are all too willing to look the other way when the criminals tighten the noose on power.


.............................
Why should my politics "disappoint"......(altho" I don't have clue about Trotsky and co and how he differs from Lenin for example)............:confused:

What I DO know is that "left" is not a dirty word in my lexicon, while "individualism" is boring and unrealistic. Govts can be and should be a force for freedom, equality and justice. That is all "left" is about. You, on the other hand, eulogize the "everybody is on their own" society. Think about THAT NZ. (i.e. In your real life nobody gave you a hand up?? NEVER? not even as child? You had no parents who looked after you? No brothers to fight for you? No sisters to explain things to you? You are a totally free and stringless man?) I don't think so.

Furthermore, think back to tribe (from whence we all came)! You and I wouldn't even be here if they, then, deployed the great Ayn Rand philosophy of life.(In fact, maybe communalism was too successful. We are presently over abundant) We all came from VERY VERY successful communal efforts and it's in our genes to cooperate and share trials and tribulations. Pure mathematics with NO morality attached will prove every time that when a society chooses to share health costs and education costs, civility and peace is boosted across the board. (Nobody should have to go to the street because they are unfortunate enough to get sick!...that is just mean, vicious and unnecessary.)
No apologies from this "leftie"!:happy: :happy:

PS the issue here tho" is wether or not it's legit to call the present situation in the US a "left" phenomenon. It ain"t. It's a coup and it's coup by the pure, PURE, PURE "individualists" among us.:o
  • 0

#110 stilicho

stilicho

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1984 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 01:26 AM

To Non-Zionist:

I read with humour your introduction to American history on the first page of this thread. You mistakenly believe that America's success and, indeed, its origination, has nothing to do with "saving the world".

You have obviously forgotten about America's foreign adventures beginning with the Tripolitanian War, through the Monroe Doctrine, and on through the acquisition of Hawaii, the Spanish-American War, the demolition of the USSR and now the confrontation with the Islamic extremists.

The USA was founded on principles its founding fathers fully believed would apply to everyone--not simply its own citizens. It is a Napoleonic Code writ global. Were it that Napoleon had some of the vision of Jefferson, he would have tempered his militarism with a cultural and political victory. I have Exhibit "A". Challenge anyone here from any nation to spend more than an hour--regardless of their location--to find an American soft drink or a release of an American rap CD. I will gamble that they wouldn't have to go farther than their fridge or CD stand to find one.

America has presented a peculiar problem for the recidivistic tyrants that flourish in Asia, Africa and Latin America. Their people, as Americans did, have had enough and want change now.
  • 0

#111 NonZionist

NonZionist

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2218 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 01:56 AM

Originally posted by farmer
Why should my politics "disappoint"......(altho" I don't have clue about Trotsky and co and how he differs from Lenin for example)............:confused:
....






I'm not opposed to sharing, Farmer, but the sharing should be VOLUNTARY.

Government is INVOLUNTARY: Either you pay, or you go to prison.




Private charities are diverse. They compete. The donor is free to give SELECTIVELY. The donor is not forced to give to charities that are corrupt or inefficient.

Compare the private sector with government. Government has a monopoly. No matter how corrupt and deranged it gets, one is forced to support it. There is no incentive for government to be anything BUT corrupt! Honest citizens who oppose the corruption have no leverage, no influence. Gangsters rule.




Yes, I was helped by family and friends. But these people are not the government. One is free to drop friends who turn into enemies, and the relationship with parents changes as one approaches the age of majority.




Freedom, equality, and justice? -- these are things I fervently support.

The neo-cons make a travesty of these great ideals.

For example, the Bushoviks claim that it is the job of the U.S.I. regime to MAKE people "free" in Iraq. The result, we see, is catastrophic.

MAKING people "equal" is no less problematic. People should have equal rights, and are equal in the eyes of God. But government is not God!

When the regime starts playing God, we are on the path to hell. What God gives, God can take away.




The Leninists were pragmatic and Lenin tried to re-introduce small-scale private enterprise in the NEP period.

The Trotskyites were raving idealists, not at all pragmatic. They had no problem with killing whoever stood in the way of their utopia. When such ideologues come to power, the death toll is likely to be in the millions -- as it was in China and again in Cambodia when the U.S.I. helped Pol Pot to come to power.

THAT is the "Left" we're talking about! THAT is the "Left" that Teapot and his fellow neo-cons represent.




http://www.booknotes...?ProgramID=1752
+(
... according to State Department records, international terrorists in 1980s and `90s killed about 8,000 people around the world. In the same period, governments killed over 10 million people. Governments are a far greater danger to people and to peace than are terrorists.
)+
-- James Bovard, libertarian author interviewed on C-SPAN
  • 0

#112 Californian

Californian

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1897 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 02:26 AM

'Left' or 'Right', we're talking about BushCo.

Economically, we've always had a mix of socialism and capitalism. BushCo is trying to erase all socialism. At the rate they are trying to go, we'll have to hire our own police and firemen, and change the bulbs in our own street lamps. Potholes will be allowed to grow and flourish.

For human needs, Churches and charities are supposed to takeover. We found out with Katrina that the Red Cross (and others charities) can only do so much before they're over their heads.

There's a sensible balance between government and the private sector that Bush is eroding. Government paying for services from the private sector to perform these functions is the worst of both worlds.
  • 0

#113 Brendon

Brendon

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 13976 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 03:02 AM

Originally posted by farmer
.............................
Why should my politics "disappoint"......(altho" I don't have clue about Trotsky and co and how he differs from Lenin for example)............:confused:



Farmer, you should read up on the origins of the neocon philosophy. Trotsky and Strauss are at its core. Read parts of them and you think you are reading Bush league policy.

It should illuminate you as to why I think splitting the current debate of Bush's war for big business has buggerall to do with left/right politics. That Christopher Hitchens, the so-called former Trotskyite, fell in with the pro war crowd so easily is an indication that it isn't to do with left/right. An element of the old radical left, in the guise of the neocons, have dressed themselves up as conservatives to get their hands on American policy. They have taken over policy in a major conservative government. It has produced a strange mix of interventionism, and low taxes; war, and low taxes; record government spending, and low taxes; record public debt, and low taxes; record profits for major transnationals, and record public debt.

Traditionally the Left is interventionalist in the economy.

But there is nothing laissez-faire about the current "right" leaning governments of the West. There never was, really. Big spending and small government is the method by which the major transnationals rob the people. But nobody ever discusses that. If the major oil companies get their oil out of Iraq, will the governments ask them for some of the dough it costs us taxpayers to get them in there in the first place? "User pays", my arse!

Traditionally, the Right is free trade.

Free market in the West at the moment is an illusion. Cheap goods from China is supposed to be an example of free trade. But nothing could have been more interventionalist than the policies which bought it about. China couldn't get into western markets in any great way until it agreed to surrender ownership of its industry to the western transnationals. China is a huge importer of western produce that it in turn either consumes or uses in value-adding and exporting back to the West. The issues of cross-ownership and governmental intervention on both sides are huge. Its a very controlled operation. We just see the goods in the store and think "Wow! How do they do it? Must be free trade".

Traditionally the left is more liberal in matters of public morality, whereas the right has a history of religious virtue.

But as for public morals, nobody could have been more puritanical than that extreme leftie, Maximilien Marie Isidore de Robespierre. And you could fill a couple of football stadiums with right wing sinners.

In order to get that jubbly-lovely power, one can't do it by one's self! You have to promote yourself as a warrior for God (Osama, GWB), or a warrior for economic and political change (Lenin). Whatever wagon is the flavour of the time, jump on it and hope you can kill off all your competitors for the top job on the way up. And if you can't do it the more literal Saddam-Way, try the political assinations that Karl Rove is so good at. Thats what its all about. Left and Right is irrelevant.
  • 0

#114 Brendon

Brendon

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 13976 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 03:38 AM

The following quote is a leftist in a leftist forum, who I was debating at one stage. She is addressing another poster. To my way of thinking, she is twisting herself inside out to defend the Iraq invasion, while attacking the Vietnam war. I think it is as funny as Teapot's view of things. Only from a different perspective, of course:

Democratising the world is not just a good protection against terrorism; it is ultimately the only protection against the greatest terrorism, which is imperialism. When imperialist policies are being followed, blood really flows. In a situation like Vietnam over 2,000,000 Vietnamese lost their lives because of decisions of French, Japanese and US imperialists. Indeed consider the whole history of the twentieth century. At almost every point imperialist policies led the masses to one great disaster after another.


I'm glad that you are still engaged in thinking through the issues that arise from this site that is explicitly left-wing and pro the Iraq war. I was a bit hard on you when I commented on your post about progress, and I say this even though I still think that what is required in these circumstances is to turn the ideas on their head. Actually, I was annoyed at the time with Brendon, and was talking to both of you, though I did not make this evident. What is positive with your approach, as opposed to Brendon is that you appear to have a more open inquiry, as opposed to the accusing smugness of Brendons' style.[Ouch!]



With regard to your correct observation that we were against the US in Vietnam, I don't see any reason to be confused. The [name of forum] analysis is not as you imply contradictory. Just because someone, or some government has done the wrong thing previously (Vietnam) does not mean they will continue to do the wrong thing in the future, and especially on a different issue like Iraq.


  • 0

#115 Mr Teapot

Mr Teapot

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4631 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 04:47 AM

Well at least your lefty girl has some redeeming features. I guess her brainwashed youth was probably incomplete.
Some hope for her but alas, too late for you Brendon.

You know why your ideals of a communist State always fails? Why socialism slides into mediocrity?

It is human nature. If your nanny State looks after every little need for you why do a days work? Sit on your backside and let some one else do it. The payout is the same. No ambition or entrepreneurship.

That's why capitalism works.
  • 0

#116 Miss Astrojet

Miss Astrojet

    Banned

  • Banned
  • PipPipPip
  • 4456 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 05:15 AM

No ambition or entrepreneurship.
---------------------------------------





Give that man a CIGAR!!!!!!!! You nailed it Teapot.:cheers:
  • 0

#117 Mr Teapot

Mr Teapot

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4631 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 05:28 AM

:D
  • 0

#118 Brendon

Brendon

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 13976 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 05:45 AM

All it means Kremlin Teapot, is that you lot were infiltrated and brainwashed by an extremist branch of the lefties and don't know it. You would be right at home in that forum. You would agree on how they promote the spreading of "democracy" and "freedom".

Though seeing as the British have given up on building a police force in southern Iraq, and are instead going ahead with just creating a home grown army to run the place, I can only see the creation of a military dictatorship being the reality.
  • 0

#119 Brendon

Brendon

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 13976 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 05:51 AM

Originally posted by Miss Astrojet
No ambition or entrepreneurship.
---------------------------------------
Give that man a CIGAR!!!!!!!! You nailed it Teapot.:cheers:



Translation: "Duuuhhh, I'm with stoopid!" :rolleyes:






:D
  • 0

#120 JohnathanRGalt

JohnathanRGalt

    Registered User

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1912 posts

Posted 02 October 2005 - 05:53 AM

Mr Teapot
... You know why your ideals of a communist State always fails? Why socialism slides into mediocrity?

It is human nature. If your nanny State looks after every little need for you why do a days work? Sit on your backside and let some one else do it. The payout is the same. No ambition or entrepreneurship.

That's why capitalism works.

Once again, I stand in awe of the wisdom of Mr. Teapot. Please re-read his words, understand them. and take them to heart. He is telling you the truth!

However, not all can be as clear and truthful. Some mix truth with lies. Consider Mr. NonZionist a.k.a. Anti-Jew.

NonZionist
I'm not opposed to sharing, Farmer, but the sharing should be VOLUNTARY.
Government is INVOLUNTARY: Either you pay, or you go to prison.

Private charities are diverse. They compete. The donor is free to give SELECTIVELY. The donor is not forced to give to charities that are corrupt or inefficient..

Bravo, Non-Zionist, I applaud you for telling the truth -- even for a few moments!

.... The neo-cons make a travesty of these great ideals.

No, the 'neo-cons', as you call them don't.

No, they don't. -- I'm having trouble believing that the "neo-cons" as you call them, "helped Pol Pot to come to power" -- but what'ever, I'm sure you'll provide us with a URL to prove your point.

Otherwise we'll have to assume you are telling us a lie.

I happen to be an actual 'neo-con' (and proud of it!) -- I have never conspired with the Pol-Pot regime!, and if you say otherwise, then you are a liar.
.
  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Copyright © 2020 Pravda.Ru