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#1 raffphi

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Posted 29 November 2003 - 11:54 AM

Ok , ok , i know !

For writing a thread like that I will be Beheaded and burnt !

A better title of the thread will be:

" "Is Al Qaeda just a smoke screen for the NWO?"

But more and more people are pondering if Al-Qaeda exist only like a smog to cover the TRUTH !
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There's Something About Omar:
Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11
by Chaim Kupferberg

21 October 2003

http://globalresearc...es/KUP310A.html

It was almost an afterthought. On March 1, 2003, the War On Terror had finally served up the alleged paymaster of 9/11 - a shadowy Saudi by the name of Mustafa Ahmed al-Hisawi. Yet his arrest just happened to coincide with the capture of a much bigger fish - the reported 9/11 mastermind himself, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed - thus relegating Mustafa Ahmed to the footnote section of the "official" 9/11 Legend. But there was another, more explosive side to this tale. Only seventeen months before, a former London schoolboy by the name of Omar Saeed Sheikh was first exposed as the 9/11 paymaster, acting under the authority of a Pakistani general who was in Washington D.C. on September 11, meeting with the very two lawmakers who would subsequently preside over the "official" 9/11 congressional inquiry. Omar Saeed, as reported back then by CNN, was acting under the alias of...Mustafa Ahmed. So where is Omar now? Sitting in a Pakistani prison, awaiting his execution for the kidnapping of Daniel Pearl - while another man fills the shoes of his pseudonym. What follows is a reconstruction of one of the most extensive disinformation campaigns in history, and the chronicle of a legend that may now shine a devastating spotlight on some of the cliques behind 9/11 - and the FBI Director covering the paper trails.



"The hijackers left no paper trail," proclaimed FBI Director Robert Mueller on April 30, 2002. "In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper...that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot." Yet in the weeks immediately following September 11, Mueller and his FBI had left the public with a very different impression - an impression that conjured the vision of truckloads of paper documents pointing any number of ways to the culpability of Osama Bin Laden for the events of 9/11. For one, there was the infamous handwritten "checklist" found not only in hijacker Mohamed Atta's abandoned luggage, but also in the car rented in hijacker al-Hazmi's name, discovered at Dulles Airport, and which included lofty Arabic prayers alongside last minute reminders to bring "knives, your will, IDs, your passport, all your papers." But more importantly, the treasure trove in al-Hazmi's glove compartment yielded a paper trail that led all the way to London - and to the arrest of a potentially major suspect.

On September 30, 2001, as reported in the Telegraph by David Bamber, British prosecutor Arvinda Sambir announced that authorities had arrested Lotfi Raissi, whose name was found in al-Hazmi's rental. A further search of Raissi's apartment had yielded up a video clip starring Raissi with alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour - all in all, another circumstantial slam-dunk in the snowballing case against al-Qaida. Or was it? For by April of 2002 - when Mueller made his "paper trail" declaration - Raissi would go free for want of evidence.

As we will shortly see, Raissi was being set up to play his part in a prearranged drama, one in which a definitive money trail leading to al-Qaida would be announced just in time for the October 7, 2001 launch into Afghanistan. Yet a brief, almost innocuous, article in the October 9 Times of India would lay havoc to this plan, necessitating a massive cover-up and a search for an alternative smoking gun that would unveil itself before a skeptical world audience on December 13, 2001 as the Official Bin Laden Videotape Confession.

An essential player in that original plan was Omar Saeed Sheikh (hereafter Omar Saeed), a 27 year-old London-born man of Pakistani parentage who had attended the London School of Economics before answering the call of militancy, heading off to Bosnia, and from there, to Pakistan, where he would make his "bones" in a 1994 kidnapping, serving time in an Indian prison until being bartered out for hostages in a 1999 airplane hijacking. Packing a lifetime into the next two years, Omar Saeed caught the eye of the so-called militant faction of Pakistan's ISI (the Pakistani CIA), rounding out his curricular vitae by tinkering around with the al-Qaida computer network in Afghanistan.

Omar Saeed made his public post-9/11 debut on September 23, 2001, on the very same day that his pseudonym, Mustafa Ahmad, made its own post-9/11 debut through President Bush's Global Terrorist Executive Order, in which a "Shaykh Sai'id (aka Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad)" was mentioned as a financial operative in al-Qaida, among a list of 27 individuals and entities slated to have their assets frozen. On September 23, Nick Fielding of The Sunday Times reported: "British officials have now asked India for legal assistance in seeking the whereabouts of Omar [Saeed] Sheikh. British security services confirmed this weekend that they wanted him for questioning."

A week later, on September 30, 2001, we found out why, when David Bamber of the Telegraph reported: "Police also believe that ... Omar [Saeed] Sheikh, who is British, trained the terrorists in hijacking techniques." As Bamber implied, Omar Saeed was working in cahoots with Lotfi Raissi, who was just recently arrested and charged with training the hijacker pilots. In other words, in less than three weeks after 9/11, authorities were closing in on Raissi and Omar Saeed, the alleged trainers of the alleged hijackers.

Now all that remained was to furnish a "smoking gun" link to al-Qaida by way of a money trail, all in time for the planned October 7 invasion of Afghanistan. On the very day that the Telegraph outed Raissi and Omar Saeed as the 9/11 trainers, ABC News This Week announced that a $100,000 money trail had been traced in Florida from hijacker Atta to "people linked to Osama bin Laden."
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#2 raffphi

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Posted 29 November 2003 - 11:55 AM

The very next day, on October 1, Judith Miller of the New York Times reported that hijacker Atta received money from someone using the alias "Mustafa Ahmad". Five days later, on October 6, Maria Ressa of CNN, quoting terrorism expert Magnus Ranstorp, officially unveiled Omar Saeed as the pseudonymous 9/11 money man: "He [Omar Saeed] is ... linked to the financial network feeding bin Laden's assets, so therefore he's quite an important person...because he transfers money between various operatives, and he's a node between al Qaeda and foot soldiers on the ground." Ressa went on to report: "Because investigators have now determined that [Omar Saeed] and Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad [the pseudonym] are the same person, it provides another key link to bin Laden as the mastermind of the overall [9/11] plot."

Two days later, on October 8, Ressa revisited the story, this time connecting Omar Saeed to an October 1 attack on the provincial legislature in Kashmir - an incident that led Pakistan and India closer to the brink. October 8, incidentally, was also one of the very last times that CNN touched upon Omar Saeed - at least until he bobbed up a few months later, on February 6, as the FBI's main suspect in the kidnapping of Daniel Pearl. Yet by then, CNN - and Maria Ressa - was stricken by a curious case of amnesia, neglecting to mention that Saeed was previously outed by them as the 9/11 bag-man. Why this sudden silence? And, more to the point, why did Omar Saeed virtually drop off CNN's radar after October 8?

Perhaps the answer lies in an October 9 bombshell, courtesy of the Times of India:

"While the Pakistani Inter Services Public Relations claimed that former ISI [Pakistani intelligence] director-general Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad sought retirement after being superseded on Monday, the truth is more shocking. Top sources confirmed here on Tuesday that the general lost his job because of the "evidence" India produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Center. The U.S. authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by [Omar Saeed] at the instance of General Mahmud [Ahmad]."

In short, the Times of India revealed that Omar Saeed was acting under the direct orders of the head of Pakistani intelligence and not Osama bin Laden. That in itself could perhaps have been explained away, as it was widely acknowledged that Islamic elements in the ISI were sympathetic to the Taliban and their al-Qaida guests. Yet tracing the "smoking gun" money trail to General Ahmad created an entirely new smoking gun that led straight back to Washington, D.C. - for General Ahmad had already been reported as having breakfast in the nation's capital with Senator Bob Graham and Representative Porter Goss on the morning of September 11 (Both Graham and Goss would go on to co-chair the joint Senate-House 9/11 inquiry). In fact, as early as September 9 - two days before 9/11, for those who didn't notice - Karachi News had weighed in with the following observation:

"ISI Chief Lt-Gen [Mahmud Ahmad's] week-long presence in Washington has triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council... What added interest to his visit is the history of such visits. Last time Ziauddin Butt, [General Ahmad's] predecessor, was here during Nawaz Sharif's government, the domestic politics turned topsy-turvy within days. That this is not the first visit by [General Ahmad] in the last three months shows the urgency of the ongoing parleys."

If ever there was a paper trail leading to the 9/11conspirators, these articles provided the print-smeared paving. Taken together, they would conjure up the following plausible scenario: Omar Saeed, acting under the direction of General Ahmad and the ISI, had provided money and "training" (as reported in the Telegraph) to the hijackers while "false-flagging" himself to the hijackers as an operative of al-Qaida. The General, on the other hand, may have represented himself to Omar Saeed as acting exclusively under ISI authority, when in fact he was acting under the direction of his American-Anglo handlers. With Omar Saeed seeding the "legend" of a bona fide money trail leading back to bin Laden, the stage would then be set for Omar Saeed to take the fall as the main patsy providing the smoking gun of al-Qaida complicity for 9/11. Yet at some point, this carefully enacted "legend" began to unravel once Indian intelligence was able to establish (or just mischievously leaked) Saeed's link with General Ahmad, forcing a reluctant FBI - or, alternatively, a cooperative element in the FBI outside of the hermetically compartmentalized loop - to go along and confirm the findings.

Naturally, in the light of the Times of India's Oct. 9 bombshell, somebody would have to organize a prophylactic strategy of damage control. Yet where the original money trail "legend" was carefully, even artfully, crafted, the efforts to perform a partial-birth abortion on it were piecemeal, ill-considered, and - most damaging of all- worked to highlight the participation of individual accessories in the cover-up campaign.

A comprehensive cover-up strategy would entail four objectives: i) explaining General Ahmad's "sudden retirement"; ii) gradually minimizing the money trail story while subtly transforming it; iii) providing a new "smoking gun"; and iv) carving out an alternative "legend" for Omar Saeed while finding an alternative paymaster. Of the four objectives, the last one would turn out to be the most convoluted.

Meanwhile, the mainstream media - except for a brief mention by the Wall Street Journal - would largely ignore the October 9 Times of India item. General Ahmad's "sudden dismissal" was accounted for by TIME and The Washington Post as being due to his "pro-Taliban" loyalties - leaving out any mention of an al-Qaida or money trail connection. With General Ahmad thus safely "out of sight", he was also presumably "out of mind." Omar Saeed, on the other hand, represented a trickier problem, as the authorities and the mainstream media - CNN at least - had already gone on record as fingering him as the 9/11 paymaster. Moreover, Omar Saeed had originally been set up to be a major player in the overall 9/11 "legend".

As we will see, many of the players in this carefully plotted, decade-long "legend" - Ramzi Yousef, Mohamed Atta, Ramzi Binalshibh (or bin al-shibh), Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Zacarias Moussaoui, and the paymaster role - were intricately interconnected in a web of activities and unfolding revelations. With the definitive identification of a paymaster now put on hold, the full crystallization of the Official 9/11 Legend would also have to await a more opportune time. In the short term, Omar Saeed would have to disappear, yet due to his prior exposure in the media, and in view of his deep involvement with many of the other players in the legend, his role in all this would ultimately have to be accounted for. And so, Omar Saeed would need to be reintegrated back into the 9/11 picture by way of an alternative legend, most of which would play itself out after September 11.

As for the formerly snowballing money trail story, post-October 9, it was gradually being ushered to a slow death of irrelevance, awaiting its temporary replacement with a new "smoking gun." In the meantime, the "Mustafa Ahmad" pseudonym was being passed on to a new owner - or a number of alternative ones, depending on which media outlet was offering whichever version. In some reports, the paymaster alias would be tagged to an Egyptian "Shayk Saiid". In its November 11, 2001 issue, Newsweek bequeathed the alias to a 33 year-old Saudi named "Shaikh Saiid," who was apparently caught on surveillance video picking up a package in Dubai mailed by hijacker Mohammed Atta. On December 18, 2001, the Associated Press added further details, revealing that "Shaikh Saiid" was also the alias for bin Laden's brother-in-law, Sa'd al-Sharif. Both items, taken together, would mean that we would have an actual video of bin Laden's brother-in-law picking up a package from one of the hijackers - a smoking gun if ever there was one, and just one more example of the incredible carelessness by which these throwaway details were revealed as "evidence." In any case, the original smoking gun - the money trail story - was officially supplanted earlier in that week, on December 13, 2001, with the worldwide release of the Official Bin Laden Videotape Confession.

Now all that remained was to properly dispose of the Omar Saeed "legend." Whether a new "legend" was being crafted for Saeed right after October 9, or considerably later, is a fact that may never be known with certainty. What we do know, however, is that Saeed was later linked to a December 13, 2001 suicide attack on the Indian Parliament in addition to a January 22, 2002 attack on the American Cultural Center in Calcutta.

In fact, January 22, 2002 was a key date for the plan to carve out a new "legend" for Omar Saeed. As we will see, FBI Director Robert Mueller just happened to be on scene in India, awaiting his crucial role in the unfolding drama - just one day before Daniel Pearl disappeared off the streets of Karachi.
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Posted 29 November 2003 - 11:58 AM

Enter Daniel Pearl

We may never know the true motivation that set Daniel Pearl on a quest that would ultimately lead to his grisly demise. However, thanks to an invaluable article by Robert Sam Anson in the August 2002 issue of Vanity Fair, we do know which key player was involved in guiding him on his quest for knowledge.

Mansoor Ijaz is not a man widely known outside his circle, but his intimate connections run deep in Washington's power circles. A counter-terror expert, a member of the Council On Foreign Relations, a Fox News analyst, as well as a business partner of former CIA Director James Woolsey, Ijaz is represented by the public relations firm of Benador Associates, whose client list reads like a "who's who" of the propaganda heavy-hitters who were pushing for a war in Iraq - Richard Perle (former Chairman of the Defense Policy Board), Woolsey (also a member of the Defense Policy Board), Iraqi scientist ( and chronicler of Saddam's weapons program) Khidir Khamza, former Washington Times publisher (and UPI chief) Arnaud De Borchgrave, anti-Saddam author Laurie Mylroie, Harvard professor/CIA associate Richard Pipes (mentor of Mylroie, and father of Daniel Pipes), and Frank Gaffney, president of the hard-right Center For Security Policy (of which Perle and Woolsey are on the advisory council).

The interlocking relationships of members of this clique - or "crew", in the parlance of organized crime - is indeed a testament to the power of networking, yet the astonishing scope of their most recent activities - both in the lead-up to and aftermath of 9/11 - is perhaps indicative of a more covertly sinister tint in the psychological makeup of some members of the political "power elite."

Ijaz's frequent writing partner, James Woolsey, for example, was one of just 17 participants in a July 2001 bio-warfare exercise dubbed "Dark Winter," a simulation of a mass smallpox attack, co-sponsored by the ANSER Institute of Homeland Security and the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). Among the other participants was Benador client Arnaud De Borchgrave and New York Times journalist Judith Miller, who had co-authored a book with Benador client Mylroie in the early '90's. Mylroie's book - an attempt at linking Iraq to 9/11 - was released just weeks after September 11 with a foreword written by James Woolsey. Around the same time, Judith Miller had just launched her own well-publicized book on the germ warfare threat - within a week or two of her own well-publicized role as one of the very few recipients of an "anthrax" mailing (which turned out not to be anthrax).

As for the anthrax threat, a major principal in the company that holds the exclusive license for the anthrax vaccine is former Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff William Crowe, whose business associate in the consulting firm Global Options is - you guessed it - James Woolsey.

As for the present smallpox threat, the man charged with overseeing President Bush's mass vaccination policy was another "Dark Winter" alumnus, Jerry Hauer. Hauer, a former director of Kroll Associates - the security firm at the helm when the Twin Towers fell - is also the man who personally pulled strings in order to get senior FBI official John O'Neill his job as head of security at the World Trade Center. O'Neill, who had left a 30-year career in the FBI only two weeks before September 11, had perished in the rubble of the Twin Towers on his very first day at the post. Incidentally, O'Neill just happened to have been the main FBI official in charge of investigating all things bin Laden.
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for those who want to read more about that follow the link:

http://globalresearc...es/KUP310A.html

There is about 70 pages to read!
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Posted 29 November 2003 - 12:02 PM

Al-Qaeda, the Mythic Enemy
27.11.2003 [15:52]


A superb media invention, security haute couture label, consensual poster for the bounty-hunters of another age, a crude, but effective, propaganda: if al-Qaeda didn't exist, it would have to be invented. Since September 11, 2001 the al-Qaeda label has surreptitiously slid from designating a criminal band with Bin Laden at their head, to specifying a high-tech organization, to finally qualifying a planetary network: al-Qaeda has "CNNized" itself, like the al-Jezira channel which serves its communications. Al-Qaeda is everywhere, therefore, nowhere. Just as the hidden Imam, Bin Laden, simultaneously dead and alive, is behind every unexplained bomb explosion.
There's no terrorist attack in the world today that is not automatically attributed to al-Qaeda, an organization considered operational at the transnational, if not at the planetary level, and, in consequence, necessitating a planetary response: the war against terror, dear to American neo-conservatives. Bad analyses very obviously invite bad responses. This is so true that ever since this global war on terrorism has been launched, it has not really improved either world peace or world security. On the contrary, the precipitate action supplied by the American-British occupation of Iraq and the calamitous management of the Israeli-Palestinian confrontation only reinforce the Muslim-Arab world's menace and resentment against the new "Crusaders" of a West that decides the standard of good for all civilizations.

The misunderstanding, or contradiction, goes back to the interpretation of the September 11, 2001 attacks, which some thought it right to analyze as an historic rupture as important as the end of the Cold War: the old world ended, a new one began.To this optical illusion, a correction of perspective must be opposed. In September 2001, while the aerial attacks were taking place on New York and Washington, fundamentalist-inspired jihadist groups (influenced by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Wahabites) had already been slaughtering people for over a decade in Algeria, Egypt, the Horn of Africa, and South East Asia. The first attack against the World Trade Center dates to February 1993; sixty-three Western tourists were slaughtered in Luxor in November 1997; August 1998 attacks pulverized the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. In response to American soldiers' continued stationing in Saudi Arabia in the vicinity of Islam's holy sites, fundamentalist groups attack Western interests and advocate the restoration of a mythic Caliphate and the establishment of a universal ummah1. Revived by an old sectarian and satanic filiation, the Bin Laden movement incarnates the ultimate face of this activism that came to a head in the September 2001 attacks. Those attacks are all the more indicative of the end of a cycle in that the Taliban regime which sheltered and armed Bin Laden was destroyed in December 2001.

The Afghanistan campaign opens a second period during which the Bin Laden movement and its Arab Afghans reconstitute and find sanctuary in the Afghani-Pakistani cauldron, especially in the harbor metropolis of Karachi. The fundamentalist groups profit from several welcoming structures there: some 300 madrassahs (Koranic schools) which daily teach hatred of the West to several hundred thousand "students", numerous Islamist parties recruiting for holy war in Kashmir, and the ISI, the Pakistani army secret services, who have protected and trained the Arab Afghans since the Afghanistan War against the Russians (1979-1989). Nearly all the attacks committed since December 2001, notably the assassination of the Journalist Daniel Pearl in Karachi (January 2002), the attack against the Djerba synagogue (11 April 2002), then against the French technicians of the Naval Construction Management (DCN) May 8 2002 go back one way or another to the Karachi epicenter.

Finally, a third phase sees a new generation of activists emerge. Educated and trained by Arab Afghans, these neo-fundamentalists, who have never set foot in either Afghanistan nor in Pakistan, are recruited from the Islamist movements that incarnate the opposition to the families and the regimes in place in Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Indonesia, and now, Turkey. For them, Osama Bin Laden has become an icon and al-Qaeda, a symbolic, if not political, reference point. The authors of the Bali attack (October 2002) were trained by the Indonesian army. After the East Timor episode when they had not obtained the realization of the economic and political promises the Indonesian generals had dangled in front of them, they turned against their former leaders. Those responsible for the murderous May 2003 explosions in Morocco, all came from the slums of Casablanca or Tangiers, where over half the population is a victim of illiteracy, and where an exponentially growing and ever less controllable lumpen-proletariat demands a better distribution of tourist revenues. In Saudi Arabia, the authors of the May 2003 attacks, as well as of those perpetrated two weeks ago against the al-Mohaya residential complex, are, for the most part, sons of Saudi bourgeois families of Yemenite origin, a group that makes the country function and aspires to responsibility. These new activists are careful not to aim at Saudi targets, thus prudently avoiding setting off local or tribal vendettas.

With regard to the latest attacks in Istanbul, the Turkish police almost immediately arrested about twenty local activists duly known to the intelligence services, even if it is politically more profitable for the Turkish Prime Minister to condemn the ancestral Arab enemy and foreign plots.

From then on the demonization of al-Qaeda is very practical. A superb media invention, security haute couture label, consensual poster for the bounty-hunters of another age, a crude, but effective, propaganda: if al-Qaeda didn't exist, it would have to be invented. Since September 11, 2001 the al-Qaeda label has surreptitiously slid from designating a criminal band with Bin Laden at their head, to specifying a high-tech organization, to finally qualifying a planetary network: al-Qaeda has "CNNized" itself, like the al-Jezira channel which serves its communications. Al-Qaeda is everywhere, therefore, nowhere. Just as the hidden Imam, Bin Laden, simultaneously dead and alive, is behind every unexplained bomb explosion. Fortunately, his organization is there to give sense to all the world's disorders.

The phantasm of a planetary, pyramidal al-Qaeda, that of a new orchestration or of an International similar in all respects to Comintern's, is in the process of justifying the biggest American military-strategic redeployment effected since the end of the Second World War. The endless war against terror has replaced the war against the Communist monster. Consequently, it's not surprising to see old U.S.S.R. experts redeploying their old scholasticism on the pretext of an Islamist violence about which they know nothing, applying anachronistic Kremlinology schemas to it. These American neo-conservative ideological go-betweens stand guard on the old continent. For the American Empire, it's important that the al-Qaeda mythology persist. To survive, the empire needs an enemy to its measure and to make war on: endless war.

Editor-in-Chief and Editorialist at Radio France Internationale (RFI). His latest book to come out: Les Coulisses de la terreur (Behind the Scenes of Terror), Grasset, 2003.
Translation: t r u t h o u t French language correspondent Leslie Thatcher.
homepage: http://truthout.org/...3/112603C.shtml
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Posted 29 November 2003 - 03:16 PM

bin Laden is actually Kaiser Sosay
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Posted 29 November 2003 - 09:28 PM

Sorry if this upsets your dogma, but al-Qaeda is the Mossad.

The Mossad (and the "American" media-money monopoly) has been employing these false flag operations since the invention of the Zio-AshkeNAZI supremecy movement in the 19th Century (and perhaps much earlier).

Why did some eastern European "Jews" want to dominate the Middle East (and the USA)? The usual reason - petroleum. Do some research on the Rothschilds to verify.

Furthermore, most Zionists are neither Semitic, nor genuine Jews. Zionists are either pathological liars and terrorists or misguided utopians, such as my grandfather.

Fortunately, we don't need petroleum (or fools' gold), since there's enough renewable energy to provide far more than we require.

Time-Energy Accounting can solve these ridiculous "ethnic" problems that are little more than an excuse for ignorance about history and economics.
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Posted 29 November 2003 - 09:45 PM

THERE IS NO ITALIAN MAFIA AND THERE NEVER WAS.
THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS AND THERE ALWAYS WAS.
THERE IS NO RUSSIAN MAFIA.
THERE IS NO POVERTY IN THE WORLD.
THERE WAS NO HITLER, OR GAS CHAMPERS OR OVENS, IT WAS A STORY MADE UP BY STALIN.
THERE IS NO COUNTRY NAMED FRANCE.
THERE ARE NO AMERICANS IN IRAQ.
SADDAM HUYSAN IS A CATHOLIC,
AND THE STATUE OF LIBERTY WAS GIVEN TO THE U S BY ALIENS.
THERE IS NO GOD.
THERE IS NO PERSON NAMED RAFFPHI, HE IS A FIGMENT OF SOMEONES IMAGINATION.

this is a comment on the posts you see above it....
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#8 raffphi

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Posted 29 November 2003 - 11:11 PM

Are you a bit upset GIjoe ?
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I will answer in details tomorrow morning !(Paris local time , of course !)

Babye !
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Posted 30 November 2003 - 04:04 PM

Well , well ,well , after a good sleeping night , let go back to the topic !

Firstly let see through time from the 9/11, how and to who the medias have pointed as responsibles of the 9/11 event !

1-Just after the 9/11 , the media trail go to the alliance Saudi-Arabia and Al-Qaida for resposible of the 9/11 !

2-In 2002 the media have pointed out ISI and his director using his mobil phone to send the 100 000 dollars to the muslims terrorists preparing the 9/11 , thus an alliance Pakistan and Al-Qaida , death of daniel Pearl by ....Al-qaida???

3-By fall 2003 , all the medias pointing out to Israel , thus an alliance Israel and (Al-Qaida ???) and the white house Zionists

I was the first surprised to read in the US newspapers of this story two years old , of "veteran" spies of the Mossad cheering , dancing and filming the collapse of the WTC , what more details were given , 47000 dollars in cash inside the white van , a special dog smelling explosives as if the van has carry some a sort time before and what more , oh surprise , two cutterknifes of exactly the same model used by the terrorists in the planes !
At that point , a small voice has said me , NO ! , its too much proofs , and why to publish that now , this two years old story ?

I am going to surprise some here , I will say f-u-c-k-!
Now after reading the 71 pages of Globalresearch , I am nearly sure now that Al-Qaida is a screening smoke invention built back in 1995 by those who are hiding them behind the Al-Qaida screen!

I say that Muslims and Jews both are used like sacrifiable pawns to put in place a planetary "New world order" who concist of hundred of powerfull families in USA and UE , the same families who have win a fortune in WW1 and WW2 and the first Golf War !

That the 9/11 events have been scheduled and prepared and executed by some few powerfull individuals in USA , EU , England , Germany , France , Spain , Italy , MI5 , ISI , CIA and FBI !

The sad synthesis is that , Jews and Muslims have nothing to do with the 9/11 event !
The Only responsibles are pureblood f-u-c-k-i-n-g whytties !

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PROVE THAT GLOBALSEARCH IS WRONG !
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Posted 30 November 2003 - 04:24 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by raffphi
[B]Well , well ,well , after a good sleeping night , let go back to the topic !

Hi there!

You might find this of interest!

http://www.threeworl...albert-pike.htm

Scary how many army lovers are in this forum they are either bored paid ex marines or working for their system with a monthly pay cheque. Writing bullshit!


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Posted 30 November 2003 - 05:11 PM

Originally posted by zaqsam
Hi there!

You might find this of interest!

http://www.threeworl...albert-pike.htm

Scary how many army lovers are in this forum they are either bored paid ex marines or working for their system with a monthly pay cheque. Writing bullshit!
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yet i was knowing this site , and read it , but some infos does not match on WW3!

http://www.threeworl...ar-overview.htm

Leaders Involved in WW3

Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George W. Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Saddam Hussein, Tony Blair
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It miss a lot of persons like Ashcroft for exemple or Ford for USA!
and
Aznar spain, police chief juan cotino spain , jean-louis brugueres judge france , blair england , omar SAEED pakistan , maria ressa cnn , general mahmud ahmad isi , O'NEILL fbi , CLARKE , robert MUELLER fbi , khidir jhamza washington times , laurie mylroie , richard pipes , frank gaffney , james woolsey and jerry hauer (anthrax) , BCCI staff
etc ,etc ,etc ,etc ......................


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Posted 30 November 2003 - 05:15 PM

Backdrop - Detecting The Puppet Masters

With the above-stated hypothesis in mind, one should perhaps cast a discerning eye toward those manning the counter-terror posts in Los Angeles today - for an important element in John O'Neill's New York circle has recently relocated to the West Coast. In particular, O'Neill's friend, John Miller, has left a lucrative job at ABC News in order to work under William Bratton in the Los Angeles counter-terror office. Miller, some might recall, was one of the very few Americans to conduct a face-to-face interview with bin Laden before September 11. Before he had come aboard as a correspondent for ABC News, Miller had worked under Bratton in the NYPD. Bratton, through his acquaintance with O'Neill's friend Jerry Hauer, has also had intimate business dealings with Kroll Associates, the World Trade Center security firm which hired O'Neill.

It is, in fact, security firms like Kroll Associates, Burns Security, Teg, Wackenhut, and their ilk that should garner our interest at least as much as the web of conservative think tanks that have welded in place the parameters of "mainstream" debate - for it is through these very firms that the former stars of law enforcement have gone through the revolving door into the lucrative private sector. It is a world where former military types mix with various operatives of the CIA, FBI, DEA and any number of alphabet soup agencies charged with the security of our nation.

Moreover, the top people in the private security sector have the authority, prestige, and, most importantly, the skill to carry out - successfully and below the radar - the kinds of domestic operations that have been pegged as the province of shaggy al-Qaida operatives. Who, after all, could best ensure that 19 terrorists would be able to make it aboard four separate flights without any real danger of detection? And who, after all, would be best placed to ensure a complete and successful implosion of not just the two Twin Towers, but the neighboring building - 7 World Trade Center - which housed a bio-warfare "command and control bunker" under the direction of Jerry Hauer?

With that in mind, we get a bit closer to the "how" of 9/11 - an important consideration in analyzing the Legend of 9/11. A good part of the early work on that legend had been accomplished through the offices of Michael Cherkasky, the managing director of Kroll Associates - in his capacity as a prosecutor working in the New York office of Robert Morgenthau. Cherkasky had worked on the case arising out of the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993, which had established Ramzi Yousef as the terrorist mastermind behind the attack. Cherkasky had also worked on the John Gotti and BCCI criminal cases, two cases that would not, at first glance, seem to be related, much less to the events of September 11.
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Posted 30 November 2003 - 05:17 PM

Yet there is a curious continuity here - one that highlights the global infrastructure that has made 9/11 such a successful worldwide "op", with a legend whose global parameters defy the perceptions of even the most dogged investigators. As Peter Dale Scott has argued in great and persuasive detail, the "deep political structure" of American society - and I would argue that this now applies globally - is permeated by an interwoven nexus between political/corporate elites and an organized criminal subculture, whereby certain political or business arrangements are made in an extra-legal sphere, beyond the reach of sanction or salience. Although this dual-purpose netherworld has been with us for over a century - and roughly parallels the rise of an American industrial "Establishment" of which the Bushes and Rockefellers are most representative - for our purposes, we will date the true globalization of this "deep political structure" with the creation of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, better known as BCCI.

The story goes that BCCI was founded by Pakistani financier Aga Hassan Abedi. In truth, it was mostly a British intelligence operation using Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates as fronts, while C.I.A. elements allied with George H. W. Bush used the banking network to conduct a number of under-the-table operations throughout the '80's. Before it went under, BCCI served as the cardiovascular system for a global criminal milieu, its laundered arteries servicing the needs of various drug lords, arms dealers, fraudsters, dictators, corrupt politicians, terrorists, and intelligence agencies seeking loose cash for their extra-legal activities.

In short, BCCI was Disneyworld for the New World Order of political/corporate crime. With ample supplies of heroin leaving Afghanistan and heading stateside throughout the '80's, there were ample funds left to underwrite the activities of Osama bin Laden and his mujaheddin, ensconced in a battle to oust the Soviet occupation forces from their midst. And with cocaine coming stateside by way of Colombia, a little pocket money could be set aside to furnish the Nicaraguan Contras with their own anti-Soviet toys.

Could it, then, perhaps have been nothing more than a coincidence that a brother-in-law of Osama bin Laden, Khalid bin Mahfouz, was reported in the early 90's to own a 20% stake in BCCI - and that bin Mahfouz, as reported by the Houston Chronicle on June 4, 1992, had intimate business dealings with James Bath, the personal representative of bin Laden brother Salim who had invested $50,000 in George W. Bush's company, Arbusto? Bin Mahfouz, incidentally, had taken over Salim bin Laden's interest in the Houston Gulf Airport after Salim met his demise in an airplane crash over Houston in 1988 (the same year that Iran-Contra witness, and Israeli counter-terror coordinator, Amiram Nir met his own fortuitous demise by airplane over Mexico, thus denying Congress one witness who could testify to Vice-President Bush's personal involvement in the scandal).

In the decadent 80's, Bush friend and C.I.A. asset Manuel Noriega served as a critical conduit for the drug transit through Panama. Meanwhile, C.I. A. asset Saddam Hussein played the essential role of wearing down the Iranian Revolution by throwing waves of Iraqi young men at waves of Iranian young men, costing over a million lives, though earning billions for a voracious world arms industry. As for John Gotti, on June 21, 1991, former C.I.A. agent Richard Brenneke gave a sworn deposition before Congressman William Alexander, fingering Gotti as an active detergent in "laundering" the C.I.A. drug shipments coming into the Mena Airport in Arkansas.

As history has shown, being a friend and/or C.I.A. asset of George H. W. Bush can be an uncertain proposition. One by one, once these psychopathic proxies had served their purpose, they were "taken out". In the case of Noriega and Gotti, they were silenced through the capable tools of the American justice system. And overseeing the prosecutions - Noriega, Gotti, and BCCI - happened to be a man who would, years later, be entrusted with overseeing the investigation into the causes of 9/11 - Robert S. Mueller III.

In the case of BCCI, Mueller had steered the case along the manageable "official" contours, away from the seamier aspects of American foreign policy, ensuring that the domestic aspect of this worldwide fraud would only singe the toes of two well-connected, designated patsies - Clark Clifford and Robert Altman. And while Morgenthau's New York office had indeed pushed the envelope in investigating BCCI, as always, the essential integrity - the goodness - of the American political/intelligence apparatus was left intact.

The real scandal of BCCI, however, was not simply that it was a worldwide Ponzi scheme defrauding its investors of billions - for that is the "limited", official version - but that, in the context of 9/11, it provides a glaring spotlight on the very networks most intimately connected with the corruption. BCCI, the brainchild of British intelligence, was the ideal tool by which a supra-national network of compromised politicians and corrupt officials would "play ball", fattened up with a stream of capital furnished through the fruits of drugs, arms, and terrorism.

As Oliver North had pioneered the use of the counter-terrorism office in dealing with narco-terrorists like Monzer al-Kassar (connected to the Pan Am explosion over Lockerbie), would it be such a stretch to posit that the counter-terror apparatus - this time under Richard Clarke and John O'Neill - was once again being employed to "work" the corrupt networks wrought by BCCI? Can it be a mere coincidence that the arteries of the bin Laden strain of terrorism were fed not by Iran or Syria - the "traditional" sponsors of the more low-key types of terrorism in the '80's - but rather by those very countries that have long served as agents and proxies of their American-Anglo cohorts in crime: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the United Arab Emirates (i.e. the principal countries fronting for BCCI)? Could it be that the mutually corrupt global relationships wrought by BCCI persist to this day, with a bevy of compromised political officials standing ready to make their contribution to the New World Order - and perhaps scam some extra pocket change on the side?

As they say - follow the money. And where are the big movers and shakers of 9/11 - those who are interpreting the threat for you - putting their money? In vaccines, pharmaceuticals, bio-tech, utilities, security consulting, and surveillance technologies. In other words, they are shifting their money toward those burgeoning industries where they can simply legislate the market need - the favored modus operandi of the "Establishment" captains of industry who had formerly used their clout in the political sector to secure their all-important interests in the oil and banking sectors.

And what of FBI Director Robert Mueller? Was it a coincidence that he was consistently chosen to oversee cases in which the whole bloody mess - Gotti, BCCI, Noriega et al - had threatened to spill over the "officially" designated sides? Was it a result of happenstance that Mueller officially had taken up his job as FBI Director only one week before September 11? Is it Mueller's job to cover the paper trails - or just cover them up?
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Posted 30 November 2003 - 05:31 PM

Raffphi has been flushed out of his islamic closet, it took some time but this leftist islamic hardliner had popped out of the closet.
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Posted 30 November 2003 - 05:43 PM

Before to begin criticize my post please the next time try to read it completly before to open your mouth !

All here know that I have no special love for Israel and sharon , because of the conflict isrealo-palestinian !

BUT

If you have taken the TIME to read ALL my POSTS you will have see in this thread that on the 9/11 events I defend the Muslims AND the Jews of being behind the 9/11 events!
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Posted 30 November 2003 - 06:29 PM

I would rather defend France then either the muslim or the jews.
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Posted 30 November 2003 - 06:44 PM

Originally posted by raffphi
Before to begin criticize my post please the next time try to read it completly before to open your mouth !

All here know that I have no special love for Israel and sharon , because of the conflict isrealo-palestinian !

BUT

If you have taken the TIME to read ALL my POSTS you will have see in this thread that on the 9/11 events I defend the Muslims AND the Jews of being behind the 9/11 events!
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#18 raffphi

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Posted 30 November 2003 - 07:29 PM

What's happening to you GIjoe , you are not used to trash the threads ?

Or are you spamming to protect somebody or an organization like this one ?

http://www.bilderberg.org/2003.htm

2003 Agenda -- from Bilderberg Press Release
"The conference will deal mainly with European-American relations and in this context Iraq, The Middle East after Terrorism, Non-Proliferation, The European Convention, Economic Problems." (rest of 'press release' much like previous years but no participant list yet)
2003 Participant list
BILDERBERG MEETINGS
Versailles, France, 15-18th May 2003
CURRENT LIST OF PARTICIPANTS


B - Honorary Chairman - Davignon, Etienne - Vice-Chairman, Societe Generale de Belgique

GB - Honorary Secretary General - Taylor. J Martin - Chairman WH Smith PLC; International advisor, Goldman Sachs International


F - Adler, Alexandre - Editorial counsel, Le Figaro (*)

I - Ambrosetti, Alfredo - Chairman Ambrosetti Group

TR - Babacan, Ali - Minister of Economic Affairs

GR - Bakoyannis, Dora - Mayor of Athens

GB - Balls, Edward - Chief Economic Advisor to the Treasury

P - Balsem?o, Francisco Pinto - Professor of Communication Science, New University, Lisbon; Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister

P - Barroso, Jos? M. Dur?o - Prime Minister

TR - Bayar, Mehmet A. - Deputy Chairman of DYP (True Path Party)

A - Becker, Erich - Chairman of the Managing Board and CEO, VA Technologie AG

I - Bendetti, Rodolfo de - Managing Director CIR S.p.A.

I - Bernab?, Franco - Chairman Franco Bernabe & C. S.p.A.

F - Beytout, Nicolas - Editor-in-Chief, Les Echos

KW - Bishara, Ahmad E. - Secretary General of Kuwait's liberal National Democratic Party

CDN - Black, Conrad M. - Chairman, Telegraph Group Limited

INT - Bolkestein, Frits - Internal Markets Commissioner, European Commission

USA - Bolton, John R. - Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security

F - Bon, Michel - Honorary Chairman, France Telecom

F - Brugui?re, Jean-Louis - First Vice President, Justice Department

D - Burda, Hubert - Publisher and CEO, Hubert Burda Media Holding GmbH & Co.

F - Camus, Phillipe - CEO, European Aeronautics Defence and Space company European Aeronautics Defence and Space company (EADS)

INT - Cary, Anthony J. - Head of Christopher Patten's cabinet, EU. [Patten is European Commissioner for Enlargement]

F - Castries, Henri de - Chairman of the Board, AXA

E - Cebri?n, Juan Luis - CEO, PRISA

B - Claes, Willy - Minister of State [Willy Claes is not now a Belgian Minister but former Belgian Foreign Minister and former Secretary General of NATO 1994-1995 - now disgraced - TG]

GB - Clarke, Kenneth - Member of Parliament, [former Chancellor of the Exchequer]

USA - Collins, Timothy C. - Senior Managing Director and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings LLC

F - Collomb, Bertrand - Chairman and CEO, Lafarge

F - Cop?, Jean-Fran?ois - Secretary of State in charge of relations with Parliament; Government Spokesman

USA - Corzine, Jon S. - Senator (D, New Jersey)

S - Dahlb?ck, Claes - Chairman, Investor AB

GR - David, George A. - Chairman of the Board, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A.

USA - Donilon, Thomas E. - Executive Vice President, Fannie Mae

I - Draghi, Mario - Vice-Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs International

DK - Eldrup, Anders - CEO, Danish Oil and Gas Corporation

USA - Feldstein, Martin S. - President and CEO, National Bureau of Economic Research

CDN - Fell, Anthony S. - Chairman, RBC Dominion Securities Inc.

USA - Friedman, Thomas L. - Foreign Affairs Columnist, The New York Times

F - Gergorin, Jean-Luis - Executive Vice President, Strategic Coordination, European Aeronautics Defence and Space company (EADS)

USA - Gigot, Paul A. - Editorial page editor, The Wall Street Journal

F - Giscard d'Estaing, Val?ry - French President 1974-81; Chairman of the Convention on the Future of Europe

N - Gjedrem, Svein - Governor, Central Bank of Norway

IRL - Gleeson, Dermot - Chairman designate, Allied Irish Banks, p.l.c.

GB - Gould, Philip - Public Relations Adviser to Prime Minister Blair

USA - Haass, Richard N. - Director, Office of Policy Planning Staff, State Department

NL - Halberstadt, Victor - Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings

CDN - Harper, Stephen - Leader of the Opposition

USA - Hertog, Roger - Vice-Chairman, Alliance Capital Management

NL - Hoop Scheffer, Jaap G. de - Minister for Foreign Affairs

USA - Hubbard, Allan B. - President, E&A Industries

USA - Hubbard, R. Glenn - Russell L. Carson Professor of Economics and Finance, Columbia University

USA - Johnson, James A. - Vice Chairman, Perseus L.L.C.

USA - Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. - Senior Managing Director, Lazard Freres & Co. L.L.C.

CH - Kielholz, Walter B. - Former Chairman of the Board, Credit Suisse; Executive Vice Chairman of the Board of Directors, Swiss Re

GB - King, Mervyn A. - Deputy Governor, Bank of England

USA - Kissinger, Henry A. - Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.; Member, Defense Policy Board; Member J.P. Morgan International Council

FIN - Kivinen, Olli - Senior Editor & Columnist, Helsingin Sanomat

NL - Kok, Wim - Former Prime Minister

D - Kopper, Hilmar - Former Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank AG

USA - Kravis, Henry R. - Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.

USA - Kravis, Marie-Jose? - Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc.

INT - Lamy, Pascal - Trade Commissioner, European Commission

F - Lellouche, Pierre - Vice Chairman, NATO Parliamentary Assembly (**)

F - L?vy-Lang, Andr? - Former Chairman, Paribas

S - Lindh, Anna - Minister for Foreign Affairs

FIN - Lipponen, Paavo - Former Prime Minister; Speaker of the Parliament

DK - Lykketoft, Mogens - Chairman, Social Democrat Party

CDN - MacMillan, Margaret O. - Provost, Trinity College, University of Toronto

RUS - Margelov, Mikhail V. - Chairman, Committee for Foreign Affairs, Council of Federation

F - Montbrial, Thierry de - President, French Institute of International Relations (IFRI)

INT - Monti, Mario - Competition Commissioner, European Commission

USA - Mundie, Craig J. - Chief Technical Officer, Advanced Strategies and Policy, Microsoft Corporation

N - Myklebust, Egil - Chairman, Norsk Hydro ASA

D - Naas, Matthias - Deputy Editor, Die Zeit

NL - Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the [Queen Beatrix - Royal Dutch Shell]

PL - Olechowski, Andrzej - Leader, Civic Platform

FIN - Ollila, Jorma - Chairman of the Board and CEO, Nokia Corporation

INT - Padoa-Schioppa, Thomasso - Member of the Executive Board, European Central Bank

I - Panara, Marco - Journalist, La Republica

I - Passera, Corrado - Managing Director, Banca IntesaBCI

USA - Perkovich, George - Vice President for Studies, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

USA - Perle, Richard N. - Member, Defense Policy Board ; Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute (AEI) for Public Policy Research; member Project for a New American Century (PNAC)

B - Philippe, H.R.H. Prince - Crown Prince of Belgium

I - Poli, Roberto - Chairman, Eni S.p.A.

F - Ranque, Denis - Chairman and CEO, Thales Aerospace and Defence

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Posted 30 November 2003 - 07:30 PM

DK - Rasmussen, Anders Fogh - Prime Minister

CDN - Reisman, Heather - President and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.

F - Riboud, Franck - Chairman and CEO, Danone Foods

CH - Ringier, Michael - CEO, Ringier AG

USA - Rockefeller, David - Member, J.P. Morgan International Council

P - Rodrigues, Eduardo Ferro - Leader of the Socialist Party; Member of Parliament

E - Rodriguez Inciarte, Matias - Executive Vice Chairman, Banco Santander Central Hispano

F - Roy, Olivier - Senior Researcher, CNRS

USA - Ruggie, John - Director, Center for Business and Government, Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University

NL - Ruys, Anthony - Chairman of the Board, Heineken N.V.

TR - Sanberk, ?zdem - Director, Turkish Economic and Social Studies Foundation

I - Scaroni, Paolo - Managing Director, Enel S.p.A.

D - Sch?uble, Wolfgang - Deputy Parliamentary Leader, CDU/CSU Group

D - Schily, Otto - Minister of the Interior

A - Scholten, Rudolf - Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG

D - Schrempp, Jurgen E - Chairman of the Board of Management, Daimler Chrysler AG

INT - Schwab, Klaus - President, World Economic Forum

DK - Seidenfaden, Toger - Editor in Chief, Politiken

RUS - Shevtsova, Lilia - Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

E - Spain, H.M. the Queen of [King Juan Carlos (see photo) arrived with the queen, but he is not on this list]

USA - Steinberg, James B. - Vice President and Director, Foreign Policy Studies Program, The Brookings Institution

CDN - Steyn, Mark - Journalist for various publications

IRL - Sutherland, Peter D. - Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs International; Chairman, BP Amoco

USA - Thornton, John L. - President and CEO, Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.

F - Trichet, Jean Claude - Governor, Banque de France

GR - Tsoukalis, Loukas - Professor, University of Athens; President Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy

A - Trumpel-Gugerell, Gertrude - Vice Governor, Central Bank of Austria

CH - Vasella, Daniel L. - Chairman and CEO, Novartis AG

NL - Veer, Jeroen van der - President, Royal Dutch Petroleum Company; Vice Chairman of the Committee of Managing Directors of Royal Dutch/Shell Group of Companies

F - Villin, Philippe - Vice Chairman, Lehman Brothers Europe

NL - Vries, Klaas de - Member of Parliament (Labour); Former Minister of the Interior

FIN - Whalroos, Bj?rn - President and CEO, Sampo plc.

S - Wallenberg, Jacob - Chairman of the Board, Skandinavivska Enskilda Banken

GB - Williams, Gareth - Leader of the House of Lords

GB - Wolf, Martin H. - Associate Editor/Economics Commentator, The Financial Times

USA/INT - Wolfensohn, James D. - President, The World Bank

USA - Wolfowitz, Paul - Deputy Secretary of Defense, US Department of Defense

USA - Zakaria, Fareed - Editor, Newsweek International

USA - Zoellick, Robert - Principal Trade Adviser to the President

D - Zumwinkel, Klaus - Chairman, Deutsche Post Worldnet AG

Rapporteurs
GB - Micklethwait, R. John - United States Editor, The Economist

GB - Rachman, Gideon - Brussels Correspondent, The Economist
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#20 GIJOE

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Posted 30 November 2003 - 08:10 PM

In 1941 everyone in Germany belonged to the nazi party, just like communist party , it was the only game in town. NOW IT IS A NEW GAME.

Raffphi, please please please, stop with your anti American tirades it is not becoming of a FRENCHMAN, MAYBE A FRENCHMAN FROM ALGIERS, BUT NEVER ONE FROM NORMANDY!!!!!!
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