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#2121 Jones-in

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Posted 21 August 2005 - 07:32 AM

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I'm not ready to go to such an extent
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#2122 Descartes

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Posted 21 August 2005 - 09:45 AM

Imagine, a luxury palace, closely guarded so that the local cannot see, hear, or know what's going on, the people in the palace don't come for fear of being shoot, blown up or generally having their concentration disturbed,

Now, the pople in the palace are deciding what the people out side of the palace should do. But, they don't talk to the people on the outside.

They believe they know best.

All that happened while Saddam was in power and there were no insurgents.

Now, it's exactly the same but the Palaces are now called green zones, it would not be correct to call them palaces any more and guess who's living in them..... The Americans, the British, the French etc, etc, because the state they have got the country into. It is no longer safe for them to travel.

Now, the people most upset by the lack of electricity, the lack of water supplies, the rubbish not being collected, all the things that you and I take for granted are missing. So, a group gets togetehr and makes it their mission to get rid of the invaders.

Because the people in the green zone control the media the ' Insurgents' as they are now called are described as the bad guys, Just the same as the red Indians were when they were invaded and killed and pushed into reservations...

Yep, history repeats it self. Now, you can call the rebels, terrorist what you like, but the ever increasing turmoil and suffering by the Iraqi people is bound to upset and inflame just one or two who think that if the American and co can shoot, beat and inprison them it's only fair that they too follow the same example.

The situation when Saddam ws in power, the Police would come in the night and take people away. Now, they come in the day, beat you and take you away.

Becaue of all the scandal in the prison with American and British troops being instructed by CIA to torture prisons they now employ the same people that worked for Saddam to carry out the torture.

Well, that's got to be an improvement at least you are being tortured by your own people.

Well, back to the good old days.

If you cannot see or understand what is happening out in the big wide world in the name of the American people, go back to your prime time TV and follow Fox news. Reality is just another game show.

Over 70 attacks a day on the American militia, that's not bad considering the war is over. We know the war is over because Mr Bush told us so.
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#2123 raffphi

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 03:49 PM

I just wonder if someday we are going to awaken from that CIA / ISI / MI6 nightmare.....................
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#2124 raffphi

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Posted 11 December 2005 - 10:32 AM

A Bump for YID !
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<<As for the anthrax threat, a major principal in the company that holds the exclusive license for the anthrax vaccine is former Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff William Crowe, whose business associate in the consulting firm Global Options is - you guessed it - James Woolsey.

As for the present smallpox threat, the man charged with overseeing President Bush's mass vaccination policy was another "Dark Winter" alumnus, Jerry Hauer.

Hauer, a former director of Kroll Associates - the security firm at the helm when the Twin Towers fell - is also the man who personally pulled strings in order to get senior FBI official John O'Neill his job as head of security at the World Trade Center.

O'Neill, who had left a 30-year career in the FBI only two weeks before September 11, had perished in the rubble of the Twin Towers on his very first day at the post. Incidentally, O'Neill just happened to have been the main FBI official in charge of investigating all things bin Laden. >>
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#2125 raffphi

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 11:10 AM

MI6 and CIA 'sent student to Morocco to be tortured'

An Ethiopian claims that his confession to al-Qaeda bomb plot was signed after beatings, reports David Rose in New York

Sunday December 11, 2005
The Observer


An Ethiopian student who lived in London claims that he was brutally tortured with the involvement of British and US intelligence agencies.
Binyam Mohammed, 27, says he spent nearly three years in the CIA's network of 'black sites'. In Morocco he claims he underwent the strappado torture of being hung for hours from his wrists, and scalpel cuts to his chest and penis and that a CIA officer was a regular interrogator.

After his capture in Pakistan, Mohammed says British officials warned him that he would be sent to a country where torture was used. Moroccans also asked him detailed questions about his seven years in London, which his lawyers believe came from British sources.

Western agencies believed that he was part of a plot to buy uranium in Asia, bring it to the US and build a 'dirty bomb' in league with Jose Padilla, a US citizen. Mohammed signed a confession but told his lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, he had never met Padilla, or anyone in al-Qaeda. Padilla spent almost four years in American custody, accused of the plot. Last month, after allegations of the torture used against Mohammed emerged, the claims against Padilla were dropped. He now faces a civil charge of supporting al-Qaeda financially.

A senior US intelligence official told The Observer that the CIA is now in 'deep crisis' following last week's international political storm over the agency's practice of 'extraordinary rendition' - transporting suspects to countries where they face torture. 'The smarter people in the Directorate of Operations [the CIA's clandestine operational arm] know that one day, if they do this stuff, they are going to face indictment,' he said. 'They are simply refusing to participate in these operations, and if they don't have big mortgage or tuition fees to pay they're thinking about trying to resign altogether.'

Already 22 CIA officers have been charged in absentia in Italy for alleged roles in the rendition of a radical cleric, Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr, seized - without the knowledge of the Italian government - on a Milan street in February 2003.

The intense pressure on US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice last week, coupled with Friday's condemnation of the use of evidence extracted under torture by the House of Lords, has intensified concerns within the CIA. The official said: 'Renditions and torture aren't just wrong, they also expose CIA personnel and diplomats abroad to enormous future risk.'

Mohammed arrived in Britain in 1994. He lived in Wornington Road, North Kensington, and studied at Paddington Green College. For most of this time, said his brother, he rarely went to a mosque. However, in early 2001 he became more religious.

The Observer has obtained fresh details of his case which was first publicised last summer. He went to Pakistan in June 2001 because, he says, he had a drug problem and wanted to kick the habit. He was arrested on 10 April at the airport on his way back to England because of an alleged passport irregularity. Initially interrogated by Pakistani and British officials, he told Stafford Smith: 'The British checked out my story and said they knew I was a nobody. They said they would tell the Americans.'

He was questioned by the FBI and began to hear accusations of terror involvement. He says he also met two MI6 officers. One told him he would be tortured in an Arab country.

The interrogations intensified and he says he was taken to Islamabad; then, in July 2002, on a CIA flight to Morocco. His description of the process matches independent reports. Masked officers wore black. They stripped him, subjected him to a full body search and shackled him to his seat wearing a nappy.

In Morocco he was told he had plotted with Padilla and had dinner in Pakistan with Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the planner of 9/11, and other al-Qaeda chiefs. 'I've never met anyone like these people,' Mohammed told Stafford Smith. 'How could I? I speak no Arabic... I never heard Padilla's name until they told me.'

During almost 18 months of regular beatings in Morocco, Mohammed says he frequently met a blonde woman in her thirties who told him she was Canadian. The US intelligence officer told The Observer this was an 'amateurish' CIA cover. 'The only Americans who historically pretended to be Canadian were backpackers travelling in Europe during the Vietnam war. Apart from the moral issues, what disturbs me is that, as an attempt to create plausible deniability, this is so damn transparent.'

According to Mohammed, he was threatened with electrocution and rape. On one occasion, he was handcuffed when three men entered his cell wearing black masks. 'That day I ceased really knowing I was alive. One stood on each of my shoulders and a third punched me in the stomach. It seemed to go on for hours. I was meant to stand, but I was in so much pain I'd fall to my knees. They'd pull me back up and hit me again. They'd kick me in the thighs as I got up. I could see the hands that were hitting me... like the hands of someone who'd worked as a mechanic or chopped with an axe.'

Later he was confronted with details of his London life - such as the name of his kickboxing teacher - and met a Moroccan calling himself Marwan, who ordered him to be hung by his wrists. 'They hit me in the chest, the stomach, and they knocked my feet from under me. I have a shoulder pain to this day from the wrenching as my arms were almost pulled out of their sockets.'

Another time, he told Stafford Smith: 'They took a scalpel to my right chest. It was only a small cut. Then they cut my left chest. One of them took my penis in his hand and began to make cuts. He did it once, and they stood still for maybe a minute watching. I was in agony, crying, trying desperately to suppress myself, but I was screaming... They must have done this 20 to 30 times in maybe two hours. There was blood all over.'

In September he was taken to Guantanamo Bay where he has been charged with involvement in al-Qaeda plots and faces trial there by military commission. Stafford Smith said: 'I am unaware of any evidence against him other than that extracted under torture.'

The Foreign Office, the Moroccan Embassy and the CIA refused to comment yesterday.
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How to create pseudo Al Qaeda "terrorists" made in CIA / MI6 !
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#2126 The Beat

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 05:38 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jones-in
[B]Why not? It will increase your ratings around here (they have been dipping lately). Not to mention it
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#2127 raffphi

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Posted 18 December 2005 - 02:04 PM

Bump!

TB , welcome !

Happy to see you posting here from times to times!
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#2128 Beethoven

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Posted 18 December 2005 - 02:23 PM

Hi Rappfhi,

Hi The Beat


:) :kowt:
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#2129 raffphi

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Posted 18 December 2005 - 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Beethoven
Hi Rappfhi,

Hi The Beat


:) :kowt:


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Hi beethoven , go on your good job here!
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#2130 Charlie Vike

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Posted 19 December 2005 - 06:09 PM

Originally posted by raffphi
Before to begin criticize my post please the next time try to read it completly before to open your mouth !

All here know that I have no special love for Israel and sharon , because of the conflict isrealo-palestinian !

BUT

If you have taken the TIME to read ALL my POSTS you will have see in this thread that on the 9/11 events I defend the Muslims AND the Jews of being behind the 9/11 events!
:rolleyes:



You're a fruitcake who'll buy any lame bullshit if it's a conspiracy theory implicating evil joooz and the U.S. You lack the ability to engage in critical thinking.
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#2131 raffphi

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Posted 20 December 2005 - 12:05 PM

Originally posted by Charlie Vike
You're a fruitcake who'll buy any lame bullshit if it's a conspiracy theory implicating evil joooz and the U.S. You lack the ability to engage in critical thinking.


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Joooz ?

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Posted by raffphi
"If you have taken the TIME to read ALL my POSTS you will have see in this thread that on the 9/11 events I defend the Muslims AND the Jews of being behind the 9/11 events!"
:Potstir:

Even is a evil zionist named Silverstein has used the 9/11 events for "removing" the asbestos from WTC 1 , 2 , 7 !

I am sure now that this guy Silverstein has some problem sleeping now!

2700 US dead on his head................

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#2132 Jones-in

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 07:49 AM

Originally posted by The Beat
Jones-in

You're stupid.

'nuff said.




...and a very Merry Christmas to you, Pod Man.




Peace :D
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#2133 JohnathanRGalt

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 09:39 AM

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Let me also wish a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year to Descartes, Adam, Charlie Vike, raffphi, rozlan, gonzo, rostamm, BUDDIEE, Brisas, Jones-in, The Beat, NonZionist, Beethoven, ... and to any one else who has ever posted on this wonderful thread.

I love you guys! (and gals!).

Big smooches, all-around!

-- Johnathan.
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#2134 raffphi

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Posted 17 January 2006 - 11:07 AM

Yeah ........."happy" new year 2006.........

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#2135 raffphi

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Posted 17 January 2006 - 11:10 AM

Now , back to the topic !

http://www.voltairen...icle131480.html

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