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Posted 30 March 2006 - 05:38 PM

The following was published Wednesday, March 29, 2006 by The Wire at
www.wirenh.com/Features/Cover_Stories/system_breakdown_200603291183.html

System Breakdown

By Larry Clow
March 29, 2006


W. David Kubiak thought the 9/11 attacks would be a "wake up call."

"Once you could accept 9/11, you could say, 'I've really got to look at the world again with new eyes,'" he said during a recent phone interview with The Wire.

Kubiak is a member of the steering committee of 911truth.org, a group formed "to investigate, unearth, and widely publicize the full truth surrounding September 11th, 2001."

It's been three years since the start of U.S. military operations in Iraq, and while supporters and detractors of the war continue to debate the causes of and solutions to that conflict, one fact is almost indisputable: the long, bloody journey in Iraq began on Sept. 11, 2001.

I say almost indisputable because, in the world of the 9/11 truth movement, everything from photographic evidence to offhand statements and individual words are up for debate. The term "conspiracy theory" calls to mind images of a spider's web. That's an accurate description for the complex and intricately constructed narratives found in any number of conspiracy theories, but the actual building of conspiracy theories, the steady accumulation of new evidence, new proof, new witnesses, is more like sedimentary rock. A pebble here, a pebble there and, after a number of years, a looming monument to suspicion and paranoia.

But, as they say, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. We've got plenty of reason to be suspicious. Most recently, President George W. Bush has been stumping in support of his executive power to spy on American citizens, and the Bush administration's claims that Iraq was hoarding stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction has so far turned out to be false. Then there are the Pentagon Papers, Watergate and the Iran-Contra affair, just some of the plots the government has come (somewhat) clean about. Even in the last decade, the CIA has admitted that it engaged in mind-control experiments using hallucinogenic drugs in the MK-ULTRA program. And since the 1970s, it's been well known that the CIA used to assassinate foreign political leaders in order to sway policy. And that's aside from the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, his brother Robert, and Martin Luther King Jr., all of which still rouse suspicion to this day. Looking for shadowy plots, nefarious motives and sinister connections between the government and corporate elite is as American as baseball--and infinitely more entertaining.

Theories about the culprits behind the assassination of John F. Kennedy slowly infiltrated the mainstream in the following three decades, until it got to the point that believing there was a conspiracy was more mainstream than believing Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. But the theories about what really happened on 9/11 have accrued much faster, thanks in part to the Internet. Now, almost five years after the attacks, there are countless Web sites, books, videos and other sources claiming to know the truth. We've got a front-row seat for the development of what, in time, could turn out to be the biggest conspiracy theory of them all.

But the explanation offered by the 9/11 truth movement is just as slippery and hard to believe as the "official conspiracy" story offered by the U.S. government. Much of the evidence is comprised of scattered news reports, dribs and drabs of government memos, and inter-personal connections between President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Osama bin Laden and all the other major players, connections that are open to lots of interpretation.

It's easy, almost too easy, to dismiss them all as members of the tinfoil hat brigade. But spend some time skimming the Web sites, reading the books or watching the videos, and it's hard not to be sucked in. No corner of the Web is untouched--Google the phrase "temperature at which steel melts" and you'll get dozens, if not hundreds, of Web pages about the collapse of the Towers. The aftermath of the 9/11 attacks ushered in a new age of paranoia, one which holds everyone, from the government and the media to corporations and the military, at fault for what happened.

a rundown of possibilities

Though he was a "Johnny-come-lately" to the 9/11 research field, theologian David Ray Griffin has become one of the central figures of the movement. In 2004, he released two books, "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" and "The New Pearl Harbor." Since then, Griffin, a member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth--a self-described non-partisan group of professors, lawyers and former government officials that includes among its members Robert Bowman, former director of the U.S. Space Defense Program and Andreas von Buelow, former German defense minister--has become a fixture on the lecture circuit at colleges and universities.

Griffin was initially doubtful of the "inside job" theory. "My reaction was, 'I don't think even the Bush administration would do such a thing,'" he said.

The official version goes something like this: a team of 19 hijackers, all allegedly members of the al Qaeda terrorist network, boarded four airliners on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. After seizing control of the planes, they flew the aircraft into the two World Trade Center Towers and the Pentagon; the fourth plane crashed in Shanksville, Pa., after passengers wrestled control of the plane from the hijackers.

But after looking at a timeline of events compiled by 9/11 researcher Paul Thompson, Griffin couldn't ignore all of the contradictions between the events of the day and the official story. When his students at the Claremont School of Theology in California asked him to make a presentation on the Iraq war, Griffin instead focused on 9/11 as a pretext for the war.

Critics have said Griffin's theological background doesn't exactly make him an expert on federal emergency response plans, geopolitics and terrorism. But to Griffin, it's no great leap to go from studying God to studying the hidden connection between Bush and bin Laden.

"Theologically, it's not much of a stretch, because at least a certain kind of theology says our task is to try to imagine the world from a divine viewpoint, that is, to try to push the values we assume our creator is in favor of. An operation like this would clearly be against that," he said.

Mapping out a conspiracy theory requires a frightening amount of vision and the ability to put everyone in the right place at the right time. Using the available data and occasionally making some logical leaps, there are a handful of unofficial explanations for how the attacks happened.

The first is simple governmental incompetence. It's rather mundane, as far as conspiracy theories go, but is decidedly reflective of everyday government behavior. One need look no further than the bungled response to Hurricane Katrina to see just how badly the feds can screw up, even when all signs point to imminent disaster. The incompetence theory looks good on the surface--it's easy to understand and doesn't require a lot of speculation. At the same time, it's intensely troubling, because if it's true, that means that no system or organization is reliable--from the intelligence community and the military to our multi-billion dollar air-defense system to simple airport security measures.

But even more sinister than that is the two "happen on purpose" (HOP) camps in the 9/11 truth movement, both of which agree that the federal government is to blame for 9/11.

First, there's the "let it happen on purpose" (LIHOP) camp, people who believe that, though the government had sufficient foreknowledge of the attacks, including warnings from German, Pakistani and other foreign intelligence sources, as well as red flags raised by the FBI, CIA and so forth, they were allowed to happen anyway. The motives for this acquiescence all depend on who you ask. Some theorists say Bush, Cheney and everyone else let the Twin Towers fall in order to jumpstart public support for war in the Middle East--much in the same way Franklin Roosevelt used the Pearl Harbor attacks to bring America into World War II. Others say the whole plan was an effort to pour money back into the defense budget. Or maybe it was for oil. Or maybe it was a way to bring about an increasingly totalitarian government. Or maybe all of the above.

Then there's the "made it happen on purpose" (MIHOP) crowd, and that's where much of the current batch of 9/11 research falls. Essentially, for all the reasons cited above--war, oil, totalitarianism, etc.--members of the government engineered, through various means, the entire 9/11 tragedy. Whodunnit? Most of the blame goes to the Bush/Cheney crowd, although the alleged masterminds behind the whole thing are members of the group Project for a New American Century (PNAC), a neo-conservative think tank that, in 2000, published a position paper literally calling for some kind of new Pearl Harbor to set the American imperial machinery into motion: "The process of military transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event--like a new Pearl Harbor."

from the wilderness

Former Los Angeles Police Department detective Michael Ruppert knew something was wrong once the second plane hit the WTC on the morning of Sept. 11.

"I'm an Air Force brat. My father flew interceptors ... I grew up around NORAD, I lived with that stuff," Ruppert said during a phone interview. "I know and knew the Air Force air defense system is much, much better than that. I knew the only way a second plane could have hit the tower was if someone wanted it to."

Ruppert is one of the big names among 9/11 researchers. His 2004 book "Crossing the Rubicon" is a massive tome that links the Bush/Cheney cabal to everything from the CIA's alleged drug trade activities during the Iran-Contra scandal to the imminent peak oil crisis. In the book, he plainly states that Dick Cheney masterminded the attacks and says that the 9/11 plot was all part of a plan for the United States to secure the remaining oil deposits in Iraq in order to stave off the looming energy crisis.
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 05:41 PM

Ruppert is no stranger to the world of conspiracies and government skullduggery. Since 1998, he's been editor and publisher of "From the Wilderness," an Internet-based newsletter that offers alternative explanations for foreign and national affairs (www.fromthewilderness.com). But even before "FTW," Ruppert was known in conspiracy circles for his research into the CIA's drug trade in Los Angeles in the 1970s. It was a subject Ruppert was intimately involved with: he was a narcotics officer in the LAPD at the time, and his then-fiancÈe was allegedly working for the CIA.

Ruppert said he's treated his research "almost like you would (if you were) a detective at a crime scene." Following the attacks, he started looking at world and national news Web sites for initial reports because, he said, early reports often contradict what the "manufactured consensus" later states.

"I was finding major errors and major inconsistencies within the first week," he said.

These inconsistencies included the official assertion that a plan to use planes as weapons was unthinkable. In fact, Ruppert said, his research later showed there had been warnings and contingency plans in place for such an event. Other oddities include discrepancies in the passenger lists and the flight patterns of the four planes involved. But Ruppert was most surprised to discover that the military was running multiple wargame exercises on the morning of the attack--including one simulation that was using actual aircraft posing as a hijacked plane.

He was also struck by how fast the government released detailed information about the 19 hijackers.

"I was very put off with the utter convenience of the evidence (appearing)," he said. "It was like Santa Claus dropping presents from his sleigh. We've seen that pattern before."

Where? The JFK assassination. According to Ruppert, and many other 9/11 researchers, the conspiracy and cover-up of 9/11 used many of the same tricks, including the quick establishment of an official story, continuing media manipulation, and a hasty, perfunctory "investigation." While the tactics are the same, 9/11 is just so much bigger. The official story is a little harder to believe (just how did 19 guys outwit the government, military and FAA?), the mainstream media is even more hesitant to discuss alternative theories and, lest we forget, the Bush administration was less than welcoming of an official inquiry into the 9/11 attacks.

If 11/22 marked the beginning of the modern age of conspiracy research, then 9/11 is a turning point--after more than three decades of dirty tricks, we're

Appropriately wise, and cynical, enough about the government to begin looking for conspiracies from the get-go. In 2004, a Zogby poll commissioned by Kubiak and 911truth.org found that 49.3 percent of New York City residents said some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act."

Ruppert expects the 9/11 truth movement to continue on for many years, much in the same way assassination buffs continue to pick apart the details on what happened in Dealy Plaza on Nov. 22, 1963. But Ruppert isn't holding out hope that the real story of 9/11 will ever penetrate the public consciousness, nor will the guilty be brought to justice.

"Every major window to get 9/11 in the public agenda is closed," he said. "I adopted the position that peak oil is coming ... and it's fine to talk about 9/11, but to assume somehow you can get the case open at this junction ... is fantasy. It's not going to happen."

Ruppert identifies peak oil, the idea that the world's oil supply has reached its apex and we're rapidly using up the remaining resources, as the motive behind 9/11. But now that the attacks are over, Ruppert said, he's focusing on the effects of peak oil and how to best to survive the energy crisis. In 2005, Ruppert moved his offices from California to Oregon, a place he says is much more conducive to a sustainable lifestyle.

"That's an imminent threat," he said. "9/11 ran us over. Peak oil is a crisis that's coming that's much, much worse. It's threatening to the entirety of human civilization."

controlled demolition

Steven Jones is one of the newest 9/11 researchers. A professor of physics at Brigham Young University in Utah, Jones published last October "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" an academic paper questioning the official story behind the collapse of both World Trade Center towers and the fall of WTC building 7 (http://www.physics.b...nergy/htm7.html). Jones believes that it was a controlled demolition, and not fires and impact damage from the two airplanes, which brought down the buildings. BYU does not endorse Jones' views.

After watching a video that discussed 9/11 anomalies, Jones began to do his own research. Most of the data out there was unscientific, he said, so he was inclined to dismiss the subject. But the more he looked, the more he was convinced something was amiss. It was the destruction of WTC building 7 that first caught Jones' attention. Though fires had broken out in the 48-story building, WTC 7 had not sustained the kind of damage found in the two towers. No other skyscraper has ever collapsed because of fire damage alone, Jones said, and the way WTC 7 fell ("so rapidly and symmetrically," he said) can only be explained if the building was brought down with explosives.

"Obviously, the first reaction I get from a lot of people is, 'Wait a minute. If you're saying building 7 came down as a kind of controlled demolition, then that must be an inside job, that must mean a conspiracy and hundreds of thousands of people. That's not possible, so I won't listen,'" Jones said.

"But I really don't believe it would take a large number of people. Most people believe 19 hijackers were able to do this feat against our multi-trillion dollar air defense system, and that's really quite remarkable."

Much of Jones' paper focuses on how the towers collapsed and the appearance of molten metal among the debris at Ground Zero in the days after the attack. The official explanation of the fall of the towers--that the impact damage and super-hot fires weakened the core of steel columns that held up the buildings--doesn't make sense to Jones. He argues that the fire inside the WTC towers could not have gotten hot enough, even with the presence of jet fuel, which burns at a maximum of 1,000 degrees Celsius, to melt the structural steel at 1,500 degrees Celsius, according to Jones' paper. Jones and other researchers believe that the jet fuel-ignited fires reached only about 650 degrees Celsius. The real cause of the collapse: a series of explosives planted in the buildings that, when detonated, quickly and neatly brought the buildings down.

Jones' paper has attracted a wealth of attention in the 9/11 truth movement. In April, he'll present a paper on the molten metal at the WTC site at the Utah Academy of Sciences, and David Ray Griffin has written a complementary paper on Jones' theory that will appear in an anthology of 9/11 research scheduled for publication this spring. Jones is also co-chair of Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

Currently, he is working on a paper analyzing the possible causes for the appearance of molten metal during the towers' collapse--he believes that some kind of thermite reaction created by explosives may have caused the molten metal to form. The 9/11 research, he said, takes up about one-third to one-half of his research time.

Jones shies away from pointing fingers. He said he wants to focus on the science and the data surrounding the attacks, but that it's difficult because so much of the physical evidence--including the debris left from the fallen towers and WTC 7-- was destroyed immediately after it was cleared out of Ground Zero. And Jones says a lot of photographic evidence, including videos of the planes hitting the towers and the Pentagon, remains classified.

"There's a strange reluctance to release data, which is perplexing to me as a scientist," he said. "It's unconscionable."

Because there was no independent investigation of the debris, all researchers have to work from are photographs and news reports of the day. Even Jones' paper leans heavily on news photographs, coupled with his own experiments to find the temperature at which steel and aluminum becomes molten. That reliance on second-hand sources only hampers the research and opens up the arena to all sorts of armchair "experts." A good example is the "Hunt the Boeing" Web site (http://www.asile.org.../erreurs_en.htm), which uses a series of photographs from the attack on the Pentagon to show that Flight 77 could not have caused the damage at the building. But the site fails to address what happened to the airplane if it didn't strike the building.

Finding out who ordered the rubble destroyed--or even who was involved with the weird airline stock anomalies on Sept. 10, 2001--might yield some answers. For Jones, the conspiracy lies in the cover-up more than in the attacks themselves.

"I don't think (the attacks) involves that many people. But it's massive in terms of the apparent-cover up," he said. "It is a little bit scary to think someone is preventing (this) data from being released. It's very troubling."

moving toward resolution

With more and more books and Web sites coming out devoted to the alternative 9/11, it seems like there's more momentum behind the movement than ever before. Earlier this month, actor Charlie Sheen expressed his doubts about the official 9/11 story during an interview on the Alex Jones radio show (the interview is online at www.infowars.com). Coverage of the movement is also gaining traction in bigger media outlets. In the last two months, The Village Voice and New York Magazine have both run extensive stories on 9/11 truth.

Despite that groundswell of interest, Ruppert said he's trying to distance himself from the 9/11 movement. The one subject he doesn't tackle is physical evidence--the why and how of the Towers' collapse, the strangeness surrounding the destruction at the Pentagon and the debris left behind by Flight 93 in Pennsylvania. This is the one area where the 9/11 movement is focusing most of its energies now, he says, and physical evidence arguments are "absolute minefields when you get into the legal arena," with discussions devolving into a competition between whichever side can provide the most experts.

The greater danger, according to Ruppert, is that the 9/11 movement has been "heavily, heavily infiltrated ... by government disinformation operatives" who have put proverbial "poison pills" into its debates.

Sounds paranoid, right? Not really. In the 1960s and 1970s, federal programs like COINTELPRO used undercover operatives to infiltrate the anti-war movement and discredit it, and the practice apparently continues today. Last month, the American Civil Liberties Union released data confirming that the government has been spying on anti-war groups since the conflict in Iraq began in 2003.

Griffin, on the other hand, is skeptical of talk about disinformation and infiltrators.
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 05:43 PM

"I really haven't had any strong suspicions about anybody," he said. "Even if there is some truth to it, I don't think it's a very important concern."

Some of the more outlandish theories--like French writer Thierry Meyssan's claim that a cruise missile, not an airplane, hit the Pentagon--are only diluting the waters, Ruppert said. There are other theories, too: that there were no planes at all, only holographic projections of planes (used in conjunction with explosives planted by some shadowy group); or that one of the planes that hit the WTC had some sort of anomalous "pod" attached to it that caused extra damage. But this is all "bullshit," Ruppert said, and is either intentional disinformation or sheer stupidity.

The research conducted by the movement itself is getting lazy, as well, according to Ruppert. Most of the Web sites reference previous research done by Ruppert and others, or they simply reference themselves, which hardly makes for a compelling case.

"My job is to keep my case pure, so if I've fallen out of the mainstream with 9/11, so be it. But if 9/11 ever gets opened in a meaningful way, my book is where (people) will have to come to," Ruppert said.

Griffin is ultimately more optimistic, but he agrees with Ruppert that, should the investigation ever re-open, much of the legwork has already been done.

"If that does happen, they don't have to start from ground zero, so to speak. Some of us will have done virtually all the work that a Senate committee or special prosecutor would have to do."

Given our track record with the political assassinations of the 1960s, the Iran-Contra scandal, Vietnam and a whole host of other government malfeasance, that seems unlikely. There are other distractions now--the war in Iraq, the possible outbreak of bird flu, the economy--and, five years on, it's not unreasonable to think that some simply might not want old wounds to be reopened. The official story is firmly set in place. The 9/11 Commission report is widely agreed upon in the mainstream media as the definitive account, and the U.S. State Department has a whole Web page dedicated to picking apart claims made by the 9/11 truth movement (http://usinfo.state....nformation.html).

If, as the Bible says, knowing the truth will set you free, then the revelations promised in the 9/11 truth movement are frightening indeed. They describe a world that's more murderous, callous and scary than we can imagine. But the thought of a malicious government that's actively out to manipulate us is an enemy we can fight, which is somewhat more comforting than the alternative--a series of bungling, incompetent institutions that have failed us, and will fail us again, just when we need them the most.


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Posted 30 March 2006 - 05:45 PM

Thanks for resources.:kowt:
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 02:18 AM

Explosive Testimony:
Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories

David Ray Griffin


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Posted 04 April 2006 - 02:10 PM

Do you idiots think that hundreds of thousands of pounds of steel and concrete being subjected to MASSIVE stress comes apart quietly? Have you never heard a campfire pop when a knot burns? Are you all so ****ing naive as to believe that the building would have just come apart silently if you didn't think it was rigged?

Does it ever even occur to you for a moment that the "belt"-like sounds he's describing are perfectly in line with the zippering effect of the joints coming loose . . . EXACTLY like Thomas Eager described in his engineering report. You know . . . the MIT engineering professor . . .

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 11:39 PM

Originally posted by masterful
Do you idiots think that hundreds of thousands of pounds of steel and concrete being subjected to MASSIVE stress comes apart quietly? Have you never heard a campfire pop when a knot burns? Are you all so ****ing naive as to believe that the building would have just come apart silently if you didn't think it was rigged?

Does it ever even occur to you for a moment that the "belt"-like sounds he's describing are perfectly in line with the zippering effect of the joints coming loose . . . EXACTLY like Thomas Eager described in his engineering report. You know . . . the MIT engineering professor . . .

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suuuuurre.. and the smoke puffs coming off the side of the building 7 also prove it.

It is very clear that no testimony from the NYFD, or the local police, or the people working at that moment would make you right-wingers think otherwise. A ton of concrete falling on your head wouldn't either.

Maybe Bush getting indicted will.

Folks, get ready. Scott Libby is already declaring who approved the leak. Your demigod is coming down faster than WT7.

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Posted 07 April 2006 - 06:54 PM

Again, for the cheap seats . . . I don't support Bush.

I support truth and logic.

Isn't it odd how much smoke and dust resemble each other when filmed from hundreds of yards?

Idiot.

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Posted 07 April 2006 - 07:17 PM

You saw that news today by army law officier about Prision. Good stuff and they will all come down for justice. Lots of lies and Libby is ranting like talking bird. Good stuff :kowt:
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Posted 07 April 2006 - 07:26 PM

Originally posted by bluedyedshark
These guys think so.



A 1,700-year-old papyrus manuscript recasts Judas, the man who, according to the Bible, betrayed Jesus Christ, as a loyal friend:kiss:who was just following orders.
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Posted 07 April 2006 - 09:03 PM

Originally posted by masterful
Again, for the cheap seats . . . I don't support Bush.

I support truth and logic.

Isn't it odd how much smoke and dust resemble each other when filmed from hundreds of yards?

Idiot.

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I think your posts and comments prove just the opposite: you support lies and illogic. that's why you can't comment on the multiple aspects of the conspiracy to assault the american government in which 911 took place. that's the history of the neonazi mindset. that's the history of the Neocon movement.

But there is no sense in discussing with political operatives of the right-wing, fascist style. You will only recognize it when your leaders end up jailed or dead. from now on, your "logic" and "truth" go to the trashcan along with the others who troll on this posts.
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Posted 08 April 2006 - 05:55 PM

I hate to break this to you short-pants, but I've destroyed your idiot theory time and time again. A bit here, but mostly on the other 'bane of bandwidth' 9/11 thread, "Interesting New Research . . "

Feel free to stop by sometime and support Ong in his painfully obvious retreat to Liberty Forum.

Conspiracies like this look really good and plausible from the outside edges. You can build a really strong container all around the subject. The problem is . . . it's hollow. Start looking deeper into it, and you find the same thing you always find in dealing with government. You find ineptitude, risk-aversion, politics, beauracracy, and you find people with enough power to keep from getting prosecuted for failing in the jobs that they were elected (hired) to do.

Bush wasn't involved in 9/11 . . . nor were any of the people who should have been, which is PRECISELY why they should be indicted for their failures. They weren't "in league" with the terrorists . . . they were too busy playing politics and being naive about America's invulnerability to do what needed to be done to prevent an attack like this. In all honesty, even that is BARELY their fault. Hard to get re-elected when the voters, as a whole, are too fickle to let their politicians make any real TOUGH decisions without burning them at the stake. Take Osama for example. If Americans had the stomach for the type of project that would result in finding Osama . . . we wouldn't be worried about him right now. We want him found, but we don't want to do what it would take to find him.

Pretty typical really. Same on every level of society. People complain about prison overcrowding, but any time a prison is to be built, the entire surrounding neighborhood bitches that it's going to be in their area. Everyone wants criminals off the streets, but they don't want prisons.

It's ridiculous . . . just like this idiot conspiracy.

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Posted 08 April 2006 - 06:00 PM

Masterful is real life Archie Bunker! :D
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Posted 25 April 2006 - 10:18 AM

http://www.prisonpla...eidentified.htm

A new branch of 9/11 research claims to have identified the cause of the collapse of the twin towers. The photographic and video evidence makes a very strong case for thermite being responsible for the unprecedented implosions of steel framed reinforced buildings on September 11.

This facet was first brought to light during a November 2005 appearance on The Alex Jones Show by Brigham Young University physicist Professor Steven Jones. Jones said that white phosphorous wasn't powerful enough to cause the implosion but that thermite was the likely culprit. Alex Jones's 2005 release Martial Law 9/11 Rise of the Police State highlighted the physical evidence that the towers and Building 7 were brought down with incendiary devices.

Brigham Young University physicist Professor Steven Jones told peers at a Utah meeting that, "while almost no fire, even one ignited by jet fuel, can cause structural steel to fail, the combination of thermite and sulfur "slices through steel like a hot knife through butter."

Jones points to a video (click here to watch) which shows a bright yellow molten substance dripping from the south tower minutes before its collapse. Government investigators claimed that this was aluminum from Flight 175 but Jones is adamant that aluminum is silvery in appearance and doesn't turn yellow.

Jones also told the Deseret News that sulfur traces found at ground zero indicates the thermite was combined with sulphur to make it burn even hotter than the normal 2500 degrees Celsius.

Jones stated that thermite was a "clever" choice because its ingredients, aluminum and iron oxide do not require identifying tags by law, meaning they couldn't be traced back to their manufacturers.

Watch the following video and observe how thermite completely melts a car engine in a matter of seconds, without the addition of sulphur, and also completely resists neutralization by liquid nitrogen. Notice how the dripping substance is identical to that seen in the south tower video.

http://www.prisonpla...eidentified.htm
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 06:28 PM

Originally posted by bluedyedshark
http://www.prisonpla...eidentified.htm

A new branch of 9/11 research claims to have identified the cause of the collapse of the twin towers. The photographic and video evidence makes a very strong case for thermite being responsible for the unprecedented implosions of steel framed reinforced buildings on September 11.

This facet was first brought to light during a November 2005 appearance on The Alex Jones Show by Brigham Young University physicist Professor Steven Jones. Jones said that white phosphorous wasn't powerful enough to cause the implosion but that thermite was the likely culprit. Alex Jones's 2005 release Martial Law 9/11 Rise of the Police State highlighted the physical evidence that the towers and Building 7 were brought down with incendiary devices.

Brigham Young University physicist Professor Steven Jones told peers at a Utah meeting that, "while almost no fire, even one ignited by jet fuel, can cause structural steel to fail, the combination of thermite and sulfur "slices through steel like a hot knife through butter."

Jones points to a video (click here to watch) which shows a bright yellow molten substance dripping from the south tower minutes before its collapse. Government investigators claimed that this was aluminum from Flight 175 but Jones is adamant that aluminum is silvery in appearance and doesn't turn yellow.

Jones also told the Deseret News that sulfur traces found at ground zero indicates the thermite was combined with sulphur to make it burn even hotter than the normal 2500 degrees Celsius.

Jones stated that thermite was a "clever" choice because its ingredients, aluminum and iron oxide do not require identifying tags by law, meaning they couldn't be traced back to their manufacturers.

Watch the following video and observe how thermite completely melts a car engine in a matter of seconds, without the addition of sulphur, and also completely resists neutralization by liquid nitrogen. Notice how the dripping substance is identical to that seen in the south tower video.

http://www.prisonpla...eidentified.htm





the obvios presence of melted metals that can't be physically accounted for for other means, it is a damning evidence. It is susceptible of being used in a court. It is tangible evidence.

We will see if the american power elite is capable of handling such a court case. I personally doubt it. There is no moral courage to take such measure. Not with the Democrats, nor with the " moderate" conservatives.

America will continu trudging down its own self-delussion of a new imperial rome of sorts. Until it hits the wall of some other empire.

In the meantime, people will continue to die for the cause of imperial capitalists in USA. Those can can hear better open their ears. A major war is not too far in the horizon. The Neocons demand it.
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Posted 12 May 2006 - 01:43 AM

911 Truth Statement

Respected Leaders and Families Launch 9/11 Truth Statement Demanding Deeper Investigation into the Events of 9/11

NEW YORK CITY, NY (Oct. 26, 2004) - An alliance of 100 prominent Americans and 40 family members of those killed on 9/11 today announced the release of the 911 Truth Statement, a call for immediate inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur. The Statement supports an August 31st Zogby poll that found nearly 50% of New Yorkers believe the government had foreknowledge and "consciously failed to act," with 66% wanting a new 9/11 investigation.

Focusing on twelve questions, the Statement highlights areas of incriminating evidence that were either inadequately explored or ignored by the Kean Commission, ranging from insider trading and hijacker funding to foreign government forewarnings and inactive defenses around the Pentagon. The Statement asks for four actions: an immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, Congressional hearings, media analysis, and the formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.

The Statement's list of signatories includes notables spanning the political spectrum, from Presidential candidates Ralph Nader, Michael Badnarik, and David Cobb to Catherine Austin Fitts, a member of the first Bush administration, as well as Washington veterans like Pentagon whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern. Other signers range from peace activists like Code Pink co-founder Jodie Evans and Global Exchange's Kevin Danaher to former US Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq, Edward L. Peck; from environmentalists like Randy Hayes and John Robbins to business leaders such as Paul Hawken and Karl Schwarz, CEO of Patmos Nanotechnologies; from populist journalist Ronnie Dugger to renowned investigative reporter Kelly Patricia O'Meara.

The Statement also includes 43 noted authors, including New York Times #1 bestseller John Gray, as well as 18 eminent professors, historians, and theologians. Other notables include five-term Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, singers Michelle Shocked and Michael Franti, and actors Ed Asner and Mimi Kennedy.

The Statement was facilitated by 911truth.org, a leading coalition. The organization has also announced a press conference outside of Eliot Spitzer's Manhattan office (corner of Cedar and Nassau) at 2:00PM on Thursday, Oct. 28th where 9/11 family members and victim group representatives will file a formal complaint demanding the first criminal investigation of 9/11 events by the New York Attorney General.

The Statement

We Want Real Answers About 9/11

On August 31, 2004, Zogby International, the official North American political polling agency for Reuters, released a poll that found nearly half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of those in New York state believe US leaders had foreknowledge of impending 9/11 attacks and "consciously failed" to act. Of the New York City residents, 66% called for a new probe of unanswered questions by Congress or the New York Attorney General.

In connection with this news, we have assembled 100 notable Americans and 40 family members of those who died to sign this 9/11 Statement, which calls for immediate public attention to unanswered questions that suggest that people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war.

We want truthful answers to questions such as:

Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?
Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not activated during the attack?
Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned about his safety or that of the schoolchildren?
Why hasn't a single person been fired, penalized, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witnessed that day?
Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of dollars of traceable gains?
Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Ashcroft and granted by a Bush-appointed judge?
How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40 minutes without being detected by the FAA's radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US military?
How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as well as to visit houses, restaurants, and flight schools they were known to frequent?
What happened to the over 20 documented warnings given our government by 14 foreign intelligence agencies or heads of state?
Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, considered the ringleader of the hijackers?
Why did the 911 Commission fail to address most of the questions posed by the families of the victims, in addition to almost all of the questions posed here?
Why was Philip Zelikow chosen to be the Executive Director of the ostensibly independent 911 Commission although he had co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice?
Those who are demanding deeper inquiry now number in the hundreds of thousands, including a former member of the first Bush administration, a retired Air Force colonel, a European parliamentarian, families of the victims, highly respected authors, investigative journalists, peace and justice leaders, former Pentagon staff, and the National Green Party.

As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:

An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.
Given the importance of the coming election, we feel it is imperative that these questions be addressed publicly, honestly, and rigorously so that Americans may exercise their democratic rights with full awareness.

In closing, we pray and hope for the strength to approach this subject with wisdom and compassion so that we may heal from the wounds inflicted on that terrible day.

Signed,

Signatories

Note: All organizations are mentioned for identification purposes only. Individuals have signed this statement as an act of their own conscience, not to signify organizational endorsement.

Virginia Deane Abernethy, Ph.D., anthropologist, author, Population Politics
Ed Asner, actor, activist
Marshall Auerback, international portfolio strategist for David W. Tice & Associates, Inc.
Catherine Austin Fitts, Asst. Secretary of Housing in the first Bush administration
Keidi Obi Awadu, aka The Conscious Rasta, talk show host, LIBRadio
Michael Badnarik, Libertarian candidate for President
Byron Belitsos, publisher, Origin Press, author Planetary Democracy
Philip J. Berg, Esquire, former deputy attorney general, Pennsylvania
Medea Benjamin, activist, author, co-founder, Global Exchange and Code Pink
Dennis Bernstein, investigative reporter, radio host of KPFA's Flashpoints
Steve Bhaerman aka Swami Beyondananda, author, political comedian
Brad Blanton, Ph.D., psychotherapist, author, Radical Honesty
Saniel Bonder, spiritual teacher and author, Great Relief
Dr. Robert Bowman, USAF Lt. Col. (Rtd.), founder, Institute for Space and Security Studies
John Buchanan, author, candidate for the Republican Party Presidential nomination, 2004
Gray Brechin, Ph.D., author, environmental historian, professor, UC Berkeley
Fred Burks, presidential interpreter for Bush, Clinton, Cheney, and Gore
Norma Carr-Rufino, Ph.D., author, professor of management, San Francisco State University
Angana Chatterji, Ph.D., scholar-activist and professor of anthropology
Paul Cienfuegos, co-founder, Democracy Unlimited of Humboldt County
David Cobb, attorney, national presidential candidate, US Green Party
John Cobb, Ph.D., theologian, co-author, For the Common Good
Ernest Callenbach, founder/editor, Film Quarterly, author, Ecotopia
Kevin Danaher, Ph.D., author, speaker, co-founder, Global Exchange
Stephen Dinan, author, Radical Spirit
Ronnie Dugger, journalist/author, co-founder, Alliance for Democracy
Rachel Ehrenfeld, Ph.D., Director, American Center for Democracy, author, Funding Evil
Daniel Ellsberg, author, Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers
Jodie Evans, co-founder, Code Pink
Richard Falk, Professor Emeritus of International Law, Princeton University
Michael Franti, musician, filmmaker, human rights worker
Janeane Garofalo, actress, comedienne, talk show host, Air America Radio
Jim Garrison, Ph.D., president, State of the World Forum, author, America as Empire
Bruce Gagnon, Chair, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space
Ric Giardina, author, consultant, speaker, former Director of Trademarks and Brands for Intel
John Gray, Ph.D., #1 bestselling author, Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus
Stan Goff, 25-year Army Special Ops veteran, author, Full Spectrum Disorder
Melvin Goodman, senior fellow, Center for International Policy, author, former Senior Analyst, CIA, professor, National War College
(...)


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Posted 12 May 2006 - 03:17 AM

Some of these individuals wouldn't be demanding answers if Gore had been Pres. on 9/11.:rolleyes: It's all political partisanship.
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Posted 12 May 2006 - 05:40 PM

Wow I bet it took you along time to figure that out if Gore and Kerry. Why even have a opinion on anything just presume. Ah Asstrojet is a time travaler. SImple words from simple minds!:scrollhah :scrollhah :scrollhah
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Posted 13 May 2006 - 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Miss Astrojet
Some of these individuals wouldn't be demanding answers if Gore had been Pres. on 9/11.:rolleyes: It's all political partisanship.



Of course. If the dems or anyother outside the911 sacred cows demand anythng, it is partisan. But not the repufascists.

go and figure.. where does the double ethical standards come from in amerikka foreign policy?:Potstir: :tralala:
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 06:02 PM

POSTED: 10:34 am MDT May 16, 2006

After years of rumors on the internet and elsewhere, the U.S. Department of Defense has released videotapes of American Airlines Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon on September 11th, 2001. The release is part of a Freedom of Information Act request by the watchdog group Judicial Watch.

Conspiracy theorists have speculated that the Pentagon was hit by a truck bomb, or a fighter jet or some other type of explosive device. Many claim that Flight 77 never existed and that plane debris was never found.

American Flight 77 left Washington-Dulles for Los Angeles, California at 8:20am. It crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37am, killing all 64 people on board and 120 on the ground. Small pieces of the plane were found at the Pentagon, but large pieces of the airliner were incinerated in the explosion.
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